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Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It

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Pupsiecola · 28/11/2016 23:37

In honour of bo who has been so helpful on the first thread, which can be found here...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/a2759152-Skincare-Ingredients

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EnidButton · 08/12/2016 20:40

bo Thank you, I'll have a look at that one later. Wondering if I should stick with the EH as I'll be using far less now I have the lrp too.

Someone tell me I don't need an Emma Hardie candle...I'm assuming it smells like the balm and I love that smell. It'd look so nice sat in my bathroom...

Pupsie PK E- I think once a week would be too much. I use it when I feel like it needs an extra boost but aim for about once a month. I wash my hair 2-3 times a week now though so if you wash everyday or every other day you might want to aim for once a fortnight?

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 20:51

I massage the DHC oil then remove (gently) with hot cloth, then rinse with warm (not hot) water.

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 20:55

Enid you don't need an EH candle!!!!!
(OK, I said it)

Speaking of - was looking for charity gifts for kids' teachers etc and found nice Xmas candles for 4-5€ at Amnesty Int site. Delivery was super fast!

mintleaves · 08/12/2016 21:17

Hi everyone, I've been reading this thread and the previous one and have been learning such a lot! It's also been a real pleasure to read such a friendly, supportive thread, it feels like a very nice community here.

Like pps I would love some advice and have filled out the questionnaire. I've realised that my skincare regime is a) severely lacking and b) mostly based on guesswork, so any thoughts much appreciated. Thanks very much in advance.

Skin type: Dryish (although it's become less so of late) and sensitive. Rosacea (self diagnosed) on my cheeks but it's just the redness; no acne element.

Approx age (range): 34

Primary skin concern: The rosacea - I'm relatively used to it and it's not the end of the world, but I would like to reduce the redness if possible. Also it seems to have 'good and bad' days, which I assume is due to reacting to something - but I don't know what, and would like to try to establish the triggers (am careful about exercise, food, drink etc in this regard so can semi-confidently count them out.)

Routine:
AM I'm ashamed to say I do very little in the morning - this is because my skin tends to to look its best first thing and most products seem to aggravate the redness to some degree, so I try to minimise what I do to it when I can.

I usually splash my face with warm water and then apply LRP Rosaliac serum, then Eucerin Hyaluron Filler eye cream. Apply Kiehls SPF before (relatively basic) make-up.

PM Bodyshop Camomile Cleanser removed with warm flannel. The cleanser is a recent purchase and I'm not getting on very well with it as it makes my face feel hot afterwards. Previously to this I used coconut oil which my skin seemed to like better. Any remaining make-up removed with Garnier Bi-facil make-up remover.

LRP Rosaliac serum.

Astral cream.

Occasional treatments: Nip & Fab Glycolic pads once a week, and Avene Soothing mask once a week.

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results: Anything by Ren seems to make my skin react badly. Camomile cleanser as above, although have only been using a few days.

Things that are really working well for me now: Rosaliac serum has definitely made a difference. My skin seems to like mineral oil (hence the Astral) - I have also had good results previously using Ponds cold cream as a cleanser - but I am keen to find alternatives if I'm able.

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant: None

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: Roughly up to £50, although possibly more for a miracle!

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]... As above really - sorting our my regime into something that feels a bit more coherent and thought-through, and hopefully establishing what makes the redness flare up.

Thanks very much again

Dulcimena · 08/12/2016 21:18

abab Oh I see what you mean - I think you have to emulsify them, they won't really work if you just wipe them off.

Have just ordered TO Niacinamide and Caffeine, and took a punt on the Azaleic suspension despite the dimethicone, well we shall see how the skin reacts when it arrives. I figured for a fiver it was worth a try!

Incidentally has anyone noticed TO stuff on ebay being sold for £25 and up? Xmas Shock Some items are OOS on the Deciem and VH sites, but some are just insanely priced, eg HA serum.

Stuckinstressville · 08/12/2016 21:20

bo legend!I have googled and think you are right ( of course) not dry, very dehydrated.

Goes off to google the products you mention sorry DH the credit card is about to be hit

Can i also apologise for all the typos in my previous message up thread, the shameful quality of quick typing whilst at my desk at work.

botemp · 08/12/2016 21:31

Pupsie, skincare capsule collection depends on destination/mode of transportation. If flying I tend to pack extra stuff (everything in small bottles) and I usually take some sort of nourishing/hydrating/moisturising masks with me to mitigate the dry air/plane/air conditioning/terrible heating systems in hotels, etc. I am prepared for anything Grin. Also always have the baby LRP water spray, the water can be pretty appalling elsewhere. Usually pack an oil too (usually I have a sample of something to use). I browse my own sample section first most of the time, most of it is stuff I know works well or shouldn't cause any issue. It's hair stuff that usually stresses me out as it can suddenly change up, so usually have lots of shampoo samples with me and dry shampoo if worst come to worst.

Interesting video by Dr. Bunting, but I tend not to use a retinoid that could cause me grief, don't really want to reduce the potency on something that isn't causing me issues Confused.

abab, the DHC can be a bit stripping for some, I prefer to take that off with a damp flannel rather than splashing the face. Are you avoiding fragrance and botanical extracts at all costs since your routine mostly consists of PC?

I have to say beyond the retinol, acids and SPF30 I'm not the biggest PC fan as everything is so silicone laden. Silicones tend to sit on your skin whilst the rest of the ingredients are meant to seep through but I find if you have clogging issues that film of silicone (which feels silky smooth to others) isn't all that pleasant. Though not silicone heavy the BHA lotion does come with a weird filmy thing, the liquid version doesn't have this issue so I get why it's better to use at night. Provided you use proper SPF protection you can use the AHA in the AM if preferred.

What I am trying to ask though, is this PC routine working for you, how long have you been using it all?

Wrt TO, yes the Niacinamide is fab but I struggle to see where you'd fit it in unless you double up in the serum stage (which is doable), there's a few products that could replace some of the PC stuff with but I'd encourage you to phase this out first (or give this a decent chance to do its thing, retinol is a 6 month game btw) and use it up unless it really isn't working for you. Things to look at are Vit C (to replace the anti-oxidant serum), Buffet/Matrixyl (in place of anti-oxidant and Hylamide/HA), if BHA isn't working for you the Azelaic, the Retinoid for the Retinol, etc. but give the routine you have now a chance to work first.

In terms of oil cleansers, as mentioned to Enid above the Muji is a gentle alternative that I don't find as stripping and I'm happy to send you a sample but be aware you need to order it from Japan and it's about 2 weeks shipping at about £17 total (it's cheaper if you buy more at once). I know the Una Brennan Vit C cleansing oil is well liked on these boards as a budget CO but it is fragranced, and I have no experience with it.

You don't need an EH candle, Enid but you definitely need a Stila pallette, and they need to give us all one for free already Wink

The Joik candles are on offer again btw, Aurora, 2nd one half off. Think that makes them the same price as before... also saw some cute (and very cheap ones) at Dille & Kamille also soy/vegetal, hand poured in the UK, but quite unusual scents not so much floral/perfumy but more clean and herbal smells.

Enid, INCI for the Muji Sensitive Cleansing Oil here. I've actually been thinking about DIYing a cleansing balm, supposedly it's really quite easy... who wants to be my guinea pig Grin

botemp · 08/12/2016 21:38

TO on eBay for £25? Didn't Hollin get 6 HA serums for a quid each on Black Friday? You're rich! Of course this means you need to buy us all a Stila palette Grin

Went browsing on TO and saw there are more new products again, Alpha Lipoic Acid 5% is new to me, I'm guessing an AHA alternative. Reading up on Azelaic actually makes me understand a bit why TO is anti-BHA, they do similar things but this is the one they're selling... Argireline Solution 10% also new and also clueless about it.. A 100% Plant-Derived Squalane which I'm all for. Now if only they listened and made me my desired Hydroxyethyl Urea serum already... maybe soon.

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 21:52

Bo I'll be your guinea pig provided you keep away from the stuff that irritates my skin Xmas Grin

Speaking of - after we discussed the nail oils and in view of my super dry nails, I DIY'd a nail oil - almond, jojoba and TTO. Not sure it's doing me any good, but then I should prob be applying it more often.

About to remove the Tony Moly booties. They changed the packaging a bit - now the serum is already sitting in the booties.

Pupsiecola · 08/12/2016 22:00

Bo I know you said the other day that LRP can be a bit hit and miss re nasties. Do you have a view on the Rosaliac?

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AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 22:01

Oooohhhh new TO stuff Chocolate got to go and research that (tomorrow morning).... but OMG more temptations!

Yep got the memo - so when are the Stila palettes shipping?Xmas Grin

botemp · 08/12/2016 22:02

Alpha Lipoic Acid - not an AHA but an antioxidant, from beautypedia:

Enzyme that, when applied topically on skin, appears to be a very good antioxidant. Taken internally, alpha lipoic acid is a water- and fat-soluble antioxidant that is capable of regenerating other antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E. It is also believed to exert numerous soothing effects.

While studies of alpha lipoic acid do exist, few of them were carried out on people, and none were double-blind in an attempt to evaluate its effects on signs of aging.

It’s clear from the research that alpha lipoic acid is a potent antioxidant, but it isn’t the only one; there are lots of great antioxidants, whether in the form of food, supplements, or applied topically to skin. Note that alpha lipoic acid is extremely vulnerable to degradation by sunlight. Last, higher concentrations of alpha lipoic acid (5% or greater) are capable of causing a burning or stinging sensation on skin.

Argireline is apparently 'botox in a jar', a peptide that helps with wrinkles by relaxing the muscles but the jury is out on it a bit, from Truth in Aging:

Most of us know that Argireline prevents the formation of expression wrinkles by somehow inhibiting muscle movement. For this reason, it is sometimes called Botox in a jar. But, in fact, they work very differently. First a 101 on what happens when you frown.

So, here’s how a muscle contracts. A super lipid (called a vesicle) releases a neurotransmitter to the synapses, sending a signal for the muscle to move. Three proteins, called the SNARE complex, are essential for the final stages of this process (called exocytosis). Got that? Now, here's where acetyl hexapeptide-3 comes in.

Argireline is made by Lipotec (based in Barcelona, Spain). Lipotec discovered that acetyl hexapeptide mimics one of the proteins in the SNARE complex and as a result can destabilize it. Even a slightly destabilized SNARE won’t work. No SNARE equals no muscle movement. No frowning equals no wrinkles (although there are many other ways that wrinkles are caused of course).

Lipotec does not claim that Argireline works in any other way, such as boosting collagen or repairing skin. As you would expect, Lipotec claims that simply ensnaring SNARE is enough to have an impact on wrinkles. Lipotec’s studies were based on a 5% Argireline) and female volunteers. Wrinkles around the eyes decreased up to 17% after 15 days of treatment and up to 27% after 30 days of treatment. The only independent study that I have found was conducted by a Spanish university and published in the International Journal of Cosmetic Science that says that a 10% concentration of Argireline reduced wrinkles by 30% over 30 days.

There are fears that Argireline will make your skin sag with long term use. I haven't found any explicit evidence of this and I think the rumors are flying around because of a misunderstanding of the way that Argireline and the other Botox in a jar formulas) work. A rumor that has been perpetuated, if not started, Cosmetic Cop, who said: If all the muscles in your face were relaxed you’d have sagging, not youthful, skin, not to mention that it also would affect your hand (you apply it with your fingers), which would prevent you from picking up a cup or holding the steering wheel of your car.

This definition that they are muscle relaxers, as we have just seen, is not true. They prevent muscles from contracting rather than causing them to relax. Quite a different thing.

Nonetheless, my position is that I would never choose a potion because it has Argireline in it. If manufacturers think that it is so fashionable these days that they can't avoid it, that's fine. But I'll be looking for collagen builders and preventers of structural aging such as Matrixyl 3000 or the more recent Teprenone.

So at 10% it may actually be interesting but as an ingredient simply added in somewhere not so much... so promising. It appears to be a quick fix ingredient but whether it works long term is another question.

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 22:03

Oh and thanks for the candle tips! Haven't been to D&C in years....

botemp · 08/12/2016 22:05

x-posted with Aurora, I already did the research nerd numero uno over here Grin.

Any specific Rosaliac product Pupsie? You were looking at extra moisturisers, I believe?

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 22:07

You are def nerd nr one here (and that is a compliment) StarStarStar

ababsurdum · 08/12/2016 22:11

Thanks botemp. No, I'm not actively avoiding fragrance or botanical extracts. About 6 weeks or so ago (maybe longer) I ordered a sample set of products and my skin definitely looked clearer and brighter so I ordered the full size products plus some extras. I'm really not married to the serum given it's largest ingredient is silicone which I usually try to avoid out of principle (though it seems increasingly difficult, especially on the high street) but I've had no issues with it and no balling with makeup. Quite how much good it's doing is another matter...

What sort of improvement would you expect to see after six months of retinol?

botemp · 08/12/2016 22:12

I just realised for the nerds in training who don't instantly jump up at Squalane, from beautypedia:

The saturated portion of emollient ingredient squalene, which is a natural component of human skin sebum (oil). It is a wonderfully moisturizing ingredient as well as being a source of replenishing fatty acids and antioxidants.

Basically if you need to moisturise but don't get on with oils, most skins get on well with this because it's naturally present in skin, good for compromised moisture barriers.

ababsurdum · 08/12/2016 22:16

And it's the skin perfecting liquid Bha that I have. Definite improvement. Maybe even more with continued use (slow and steady!)?

botemp · 08/12/2016 22:19

I do think PC use a 'better' silicone since so many of their products contain it, it plays better together. They are quite good with their formulations, eg, the acids are buffered so the pH doesn't change, etc.

Six months of retinol I'd expect diminishing of fine lines, fading of pigmentation, better collagen production ie. firmer skin, dependant on starting point of course.

Pupsiecola · 08/12/2016 22:22

I was looking at the serum or moisturiser bo but actually I think I should just stick with the Face Theory ones. I do like them and they are so reasonable price-wise. I don't feel the need to have two or three different moisturisers on the go. Much rather get my actives in separately?

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botemp · 08/12/2016 22:22

Ah you'd listed lotion. Yes, you can use it every other day/every day. If the film bothers you, leave it for a few minutes then rinse off if you want to use it in the morning.

hollinhurst84 · 08/12/2016 22:32

6.... Me?! Ok maybe Grin off to eBay

botemp · 08/12/2016 22:34

Rosaliac Skin Perfecting Anti-Redness Moisturizer gets a thumbs down from me, 3rd and 4th ingredient: Cyclohexasiloxane, Alcohol Denat. but what bothers me more is all the colour dyes. Excuse the rant, for whatever reason that I do not understand WTF are they always putting it in rosacea products? Is it all pink? I noticed this about your Darphin Serum too, taking in consideration that the EU is constantly banning specific colours due to toxic and sensitivity issues why are the rosacea suffers being subjected to this? Or is it some colour correcting ruse and is it all green Confused? Ok rant over, but I do find it weird, especially since you hear it so often now with children who have food colouring allergies, maybe I'm making too much of this but I just find it very odd. What's so wrong about white and cream cosmetics?

Rosaliac AR Intense Localized Redness Intensive Serum another thumbs down. If you want a pricey glycerin serum to match the mask from Douglas that does nothing more than put a bit of water on your face with a film this is your serum. Avoid.

Rosaliac UV Fortifying Anti-Redness Moisturizer SPF 15 - Another no, potentially irritating SPF ingredient Octocrylene, not something you'd want to play Russian roulette with when you have sensitivities like Rosacea. Again colours and Cyclohexasiloxane. At least this one doesn't have alcohol in it... nicest thing I can say about it.

EnidButton · 08/12/2016 22:34

I'm putting my success, so far, with LRP toleriane fluide down to the squalene.

Thank you for the muji link. The high scores in the acne column are putting me off tbh. I'm so relieved that my breakouts have stopped and it's all calming down that I don't want to risk it really.

I think for now I'll repurchase EH balm so I can tick cleansers and basic moisturiser off my list, then focus on acids etc. My skin is still far from how I want it but I didn't have to use concealer today! That hasn't happened for months. (Except under my eyes but I'm see through and have hereditary dark/blue half circles so that's fine.)

I do not need an EH candle. But yes I do need a Stila palette. Xmas Grin Doing my make up today I was mentally deciding which correctors would go where.

AuroraPolaris · 08/12/2016 22:44

(LOLs at nerds in training Xmas Grin)

Well done enid! I'm so happy for you!

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