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Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It

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Pupsiecola · 28/11/2016 23:37

In honour of bo who has been so helpful on the first thread, which can be found here...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/a2759152-Skincare-Ingredients

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EnidButton · 05/12/2016 22:42

Me too Aurora. I like EH balm more than most things from the past few years but it's overpriced. Can't justify it anymore so want a replacement.

Everytime I think I've found one, it's either got Shea butter in it or rosemary oil. Tempted to try the dhc one as they sell 50ml sizes for £4. The rosemary is last on the list so...

Really liking the lrp so far for morning cleanse and a second cleanse after oil in the evenings.

hollinhurst84 · 05/12/2016 22:43

This is the one I love very much < strokes computer screen >
http://www.balmology.co.uk/product-page/27acc610-871f-02f8-0da5-ef5963862282

EnidButton · 05/12/2016 22:44

Oh, that Elemental one looks good. Has Aloe in it which I like. Similar price point to EH though. Does anyone know, if I can't do Shea butter, should I avoid cocoa butter?

EnidButton · 05/12/2016 22:46

Oooh...that looks very nice.

hollinhurst84 · 05/12/2016 22:50

And the temple spa one I've used
http://www.carolinehirons.com/2016/01/temple-spa-in-beginning-deep-cleansing.html?m=1

FizzyBubbly · 05/12/2016 22:52

Wow thanks for such a detailed response Bo.

I do feel like I'm cleansing too much tbh. It takes a lot to shift my foundation as I'm very wary of scrubbing too much with my flannel which is why I've got into the habit of a second oil cleanse. Might try the BS balm first as suggested (will not get derailed by the balm talk above!)

I've never considered applying my BHA in the morning as the Bravura one takes so long to do (apply and leave for 10mins before washing off). With a toddler and preschooler every second counts in the mornings! Am I right in thinking most other BHA products are left on the skin?

WRT my actives rota, it's retin-a, AHA, retin-a, BHA, retin-a, AHA, etc etc, so even less frequent than your interpretation. A 'leave on' BHA would definitely encourage me to use it more often, especially in the mornings.

I'm almost certain DH has already got me the Verso serum but thanks anyway!

I'm pretty good at not chucking everything at my skin (my Matrixyl waited for over a month in my drawer without me giving it a second thought) so from what you've suggested I think my first step will be to get a new 1st cleanser and increase my BHA usage. Then switch to one of the PC ones once that's finished, then think about P50 (W version I assume)

Oh and unfortunately I don't get to do sweaty aerobics anymore so rosacea flare ups are a rarity!

botemp · 05/12/2016 22:58

If you're wary of using a flannel Fizzy I'd suggest going down the cleansing oil route (like DHC) instead as that emulsifies well and just washes with a few splashes. It cuts through makeup really well. Otherwise some gentler flannels, the Aurelia bamboo cloths are really effective but not rough on the skin.

UntamedShrew · 05/12/2016 22:59

Aurora am sure you know but M&S stock the EH balm now and when they have their 20% off offer running it becomes much more appealing... or maybe it just doesn't seem totally extortionate to me as I was buying eve lom before - and that really is a swizz.

hollinhurst84 · 06/12/2016 01:02

I'm cleansed Grin
For botemp - I think you were looking at the heimish balm? Doesn't smell great, but it's quite faint. Only needed a small amount and it is quite a thin balm, not a really thick grippy one. Goes to a silky consistency when massaged but not an oil or milk
Annihilates all makeup, I could see my foundation coming off! Left skin not with a film but it just felt comfortable and soft
I like it so far

botemp · 06/12/2016 08:10

Thanks for the update Hollin, so it smells a bit more Asian herbally than floral, I suppose? Good to know it goes through makeup well since you wear a lot more than I do and no residue also sounds excellent.

FizzyBubbly · 06/12/2016 08:41

Thanks for the suggestion Bo I'll investigate DHC oil and bamboo cloths later Smile

hollinhurst84 · 06/12/2016 09:21

Yes definitely more herbal and I didn't emulsify it either so pleased with no residue

AuroraPolaris · 06/12/2016 09:59

hollin was definitely prepared to be tempted, but then saw it has mandarin oil, which also gives me spots (see upthread re Darphin oil ;)
Also - nowadays I really do prefer to invest my funds in serums, masks and facial oils... and if I choose to invest in a cleanser in the near future it will be the Sulwhasoo oil cleanser of which I only have a sample. Best oil for second cleanse ever!!! Well, maybe it also removes make up, but I haven't tried - it's just too lovely for that. Love the smell (very herbal-asian) and it's the smoothest oil I've ever used - feels like applying silk to your skin, if that makes sense.

Thanks for the M&S EH tip - I don't live in the UK, though... But I really did not like it that much

By the way, I don't think sensitivities to coconut and shea are connected - I don't dare put coconut near my face (though obvs I can eat it and loooove coconut water) but shea butter is totally fine.

fizzy I was also thinking about your exercise regime, as bo mentioned. That is obvs something only you can prioritise - skin or the specific exercise you do now. I'v been doing reformer Pilates for quite a few years now (mainly because my back is so fucked up). In terms of aerobic fitness it's not the same, but in terms of developing strength and muscles it's amazing and you don't sweat so much (as opposed to mat pilates gym-style), though the lessons are more expensive as you have to do it in small groups.
This is also the reason why some people say hot yoga is not good for your skin.

ehhmmm I did end up following that link you posted yesterday bo and obvs bought that lovely coraly By Terry blush

AuroraPolaris · 06/12/2016 10:17

And whoever is considering a separate BHA - have a look at the cosrx very "clean" INCI list (also includes niacinamide). Been using it a couple of times a week on my 11.5 son who has atopic skin (used to have terrible eczema, has lactose intolerance, hay fever, the lot...) and thus some skin coloured bumps on forehead and it's making a huge difference (when he remembers to cleanse and use it).

botemp · 06/12/2016 11:22

Sorry, Aurora Grin. Let me know what it's like. I was tempted in getting a pinkish one but it was sold out by the time I looked again. Today it's 40% off Bliss products (never tried anything from them) and a Bare Minerals starter set for a ridiculously low price if anyone's interested.

Wrt sensitivities w. cacao butter, coconut, and shea butter, it depends on the sensitivities. If it's an allergic or intolerant reaction they're unrelated but if you experience one as clogging they are often used as like for like so in those cases they can be similarly clogging, but for some it'll be very individual again.

Hot yoga is shit all around as far as I'm concerned, tbf only tried it once and found myself extremely prone to injury (I'm a bit too flexible it appears), I've been doing Pilates Reformer for years too (no bad back but everyone else there seems to have one) and it's brilliant, and I do the snorty laugh too when people claim to do Pilates at a gym, it really isn't the same. It is very much transformative to the body whilst strangely not all that invigorating or energy draining. It is ridiculously expensive though, going 1x a week I think is more expensive than getting a normal gym membership.

Yes the CosRx BHA is a good gentle alternative if the PC BHA doesn't work for you or is too harsh, it's also a good one that you can use more often (day and night if you wish) without too much repercussion, it's a gentler form of it since Korean law doesn't allow the form PC uses to be sold OTC. Enid, how's your experiment with it faring, or have you not gotten to it yet?

I was perusing the 2016 Cosme Awards, Japan's annual top cosmetics lists (makeup and skincare) based on user rankings and sales. The grand prize winner is Addiction makeup's eyeshadow and I've looked into them before and declared them to be a bit too expensive to just buy blind (I think they're about 2000Y locally which would be about €17 for an individual eyeshadow but go for twice that to get them shipped here) but I was looking through more of the makeup brand on their own site and I'm absolutely convinced they're the ones manufacturing everything for Surratt, or at least the same manufacturer is making it for them both. The packaging is identical on so many things, the lip crayons, the blushes, the dimensions of the eye shadows and even the empty palettes, etc. So I'm very happy to know they're Japan's #1 product this year, I'm convinced the Surratt eyeshadows must be brilliant too Grin and also, thankfully, similar to the local Japanese prices.

Dulcimena · 06/12/2016 11:50

Bo I'm in London tomorrow, is there anything in particular from Surratt you wanted looking at?

I've just tried to take a pic for the bare skin thread but was horrified by both pores and sebaceous filaments. Had no idea they were so prominent. I can't use BHA so what to add in - niacinamide? Azelaic? Already using TO retinoid 2% and P50W on alternate nights. I have focused on dehydration/dryness but there's definitely some congestion around the centre of my face that could do with addressing. Sigh.

botemp · 06/12/2016 12:17

It's not a lot, honest I lie

The eyeshadows, worth it or not? I'm not a fan of sparkly but wondering how subtle theirs is. Colours I've been considering:

-Greige
-Ombre
-Brun noir

My blush should arrive soon enough so no specific requests, I got La Vie en Rose so if any other colours there that are looking good, let me know.

The Grisaille contour shade, I was thinking of using this as eyeshadow base too, but am unsure for contouring if it's light enough, it looks it online but I really only would want it for contouring if it's subtle enough for lighter skin.

The Brow Pomade

The Lip Crayons - I like the look of shocking but maybe it's too pink and POC is better? Also like the look of In the Flesh and In the Buff but since they're nudes probably not the best to buy without seeing in RL.

Lipsliques- I like the look of them but haven't really looked into colours.

The smokey eye batons- worth the faff?

And why are the empty compacts constantly sold out...

But just tell me if the eyeshadows are amazingly different from anything else you've ever seen and I'll know enough Grin.

Why can't you use BHA, aspirin allergy or just bad reaction? Niacinamide 10% from TO would be my favoured pore tightener but it won't clean it out, so mandelic might be worth looking at since that's oil soluble, azelaic possibly but I've no experience with either but in theory should help. Clay masks also worth doing topically.

Dulcimena · 06/12/2016 13:09

Bad reaction from the BHA - it irritates and weirdly I always break out when I use it - I'm confident it's not purging (although I'm not sure I buy into the concept of purging anyway). I was thinking about TO niacinamide so that's an easy one, and I'll see whether I still have any mandelic anything in. I'm a dreadful hoarder usually but recently attempted to declutter so I'll check what made the cut. Thank you!

LOL @ the Surratt list - I'll print this out and take it with me. Will try to garner as much info as I can...! Thinking of colours, I know you're fair - but how fair? Warm/cool?

botemp · 06/12/2016 13:24

I'm not deathly pale around the NC20 mark, usually the second to last palest in foundations. I tend to be neutral and go cooler in winter and warmer in summer but can usually make both work. By the looks of it the Surratt collection is more cool toned (well the eyeshadows at least) but I could be off since they surround everything with black on their marketing so hard to truly tell. I suspect like a lot of Japanese brands they work well with neutral undertones but could be completely off.

Purging can happen but I have to say it is different from breakouts, same way a product reaction breakout is usually different from a spot on its natural course. The CosRx BHA is one to consider if you can't get any other acid to work like a BHA as that's a different form of Salicylic that tends to be tolerated better.

user1471503992 · 06/12/2016 14:10

The Ordinary site says they don't recommend using salicylic acid - it's on the page with the niaciamide but it's not clear whether they mean in conjunction with that, or in general. Why would that be, does anyone know?

JDSTER · 06/12/2016 14:24

I've just been reading the thread started by indecisive Grin
In other news, I bought the LRP dermo cleanser (3 for 2 in Boots) extensively recommended on here. I'm using it as my second cleanse after body shop camomile and really like it. It's got a nice 'slip' to it so you can give your face a good massage with it. Leaves skin nice and soft and very non drying (even though I'm on the oily side). I notice Boots are now selling glamglow masks too which Bo recommended to me. I've got a lot of Boots pints still to use so I might treat myself

EnidButton · 06/12/2016 15:14

Haven't started to try any of the acids properly yet bo Thought I should get my basics sorted first. Trying to take the softly, slowly approach this time. Although I have been using the kiehl's micto peel. Very happy with the lrp dermo cleanse and toleriane fluide, so far, so will be trying either the cosrx or p50w next week. Really like the kiehls too.

Thanks for the cocoa butter advice. I'll scratch that one off the list then. Shea butter causes clogging on me.

Keep meaning to say thanks for the neutrogena reminder Hollin. Bought some of the unscented hand cream the day after you recommended it and my hands/cuticles are all better now. Can paint my nails again.

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botemp · 06/12/2016 17:06

I think they mean in general user, I've commented on it before that it's on odd statement as they don't really give argument as to why. They might answer on their instagram, they seem to be helpful there. I do know that the founder of the company, Brandon Truaxe (I think that's the correct name I always want to type the Canadian's PM's name instead) was quite outspoken about cleansing, retinols, and acids for a long time, as in not a fan of either of them much or the importance placed by others upon those products by the beauty industry until they started selling cleansers, retinols, and acids.

Basically there's two schools of thoughts on skincare, one is to minimise inflammation, reaction, etc. to allow the skin to be as self sufficient as possible the other sees nothing wrong with inducing a bit of trauma to encourage skin to restore itself. Basically the end goal is the same, for skin to be working at its best the approach is just different. Personally I don't think one or the other is better, it's highly dependant on your skin. I tend to err more on the nurturing side allowing skin to do its work by supporting it rather than attacking it into defence mode but I can't rule out that for certain conditions sometimes a more aggressive approach may be the only solution.

It also depends per person/school of thought what they consider to aggressive, Paula's Choice and Deciem will have similar approaches but where Deciem puts a lot of faith in newer technology with minimal causes of inflammation, PC will rely on more established research which puts more stock in acids, etc. which may cause slight inflammation but not enough to be considered harming. Another aspect of it is that a routine heavy with actives often needs adjusting factors to cushion certain side effects (which is what a purist would point as as a deep flaw, a pragmatist will just accept the bad with the good), which is why it's important to understand what the active ingredients do and what they're for. eg. TO Retinoid is quite clogging for me, it works well but this is an annoying side effect, by upping my BHA use I can at least continue to use it without issue.

Poor jo, is the bun fight over yet? I don't know what it is about that FB group but their members always act rather odd on these boards.

I only really rate the Supermud from Glamglow, the Youthmud left me rather unimpressed and the Thirstymud, whilst very hydrating, isn't worth the price they're asking for it. Haven't tried any of the others, there's a weird one that turns you silver (for tightening I believe) which just sounds like fun but I doubt it'll be a showstopper either. I deeply detest their PR babble though, it's probably the main reason why I've always stuck to asking for samples and never buying it.

The Kiehl's has been lasting you long then Enid, good to know it's working out well for you so far Smile.

Dulcimena · 06/12/2016 17:19

Hmm just thinking about TO retinoid potentially causing clogging, I wonder if that might be what's making my pores worse... I might try dcing use for a week or so and see if anything changes.

Yes, poor Jo - I've no idea what happened on that thread, twas like the racer snakes from Planet Earth appearing from nowhere and going for the baby iguana Confused