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Skincare Ingredients

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Pupsiecola · 18/10/2016 16:08

Following on from the skincare routines post, what ingredients do you make sure you include in your products, for example, Vit C, Vit E, Hyaluronic acid?

TIA

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Pupsiecola · 27/10/2016 23:16

No it's not Yong. They do a coloured hair range and my hair is coloured (semi). But I use the hydrate one. I have a LOT of hair, neither xurly nor straight with a tendency to dryness. I ditched Kerastase some years ago as I wanted to avoid silicone. I have tried a couple of other similar products but always come back to Pureology.

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SheStoodInTheStorm · 27/10/2016 23:47

Bo thanks so much for taking the time and effort to reply. It really is much appreciated! Will investigate further and much of what you said rings true. It's definitely a case of using a bunch of random products hoping for Jesus in a bottle, without enough consideration for the interaction between products and the need.

I have bought a light therapy device today and have enquired at a clinic about it too. Last time I saw the GP she prescribed Duac which I'm not a big fan of. I am incredibly reluctant to take medication as I was seriously ill and pumped full of drugs, I've sort of had my fill. Feel like I need to stop messing my body around.

botemp · 28/10/2016 12:53

I can understand about not wanting to take medications, I'm much the same if the side effects are worse or as bad as the condition I think it's only natural to question the medicine. The skin is part of the organ system so any disruption there will most likely have effect in the skin, it's not a husk that simply covers the rest and operates on its own. When issues are more than, excuse the awful pun, skin deep, I do think the approach needs to be wider than just skincare products, whether that be diet, allergy tests, supplements, acupuncture, medication, etc.

So sheet masks. (Are people interested in Asian Beauty btw? I know the current thread seem a little difficult to get into since it's so far along, perhaps people are interested in ingredients and routines specific to AB here?)

Like I mentioned most are a high dose of hydration due to the prolonged period of exposure and therefore absorption of a substantial amount of product where the cloth doesn't allow it to evaporate as quickly. Asian beauty companies often describe the contents as a 'serum' but I wouldn't classify them as that.

They are cheap things, it's mostly Butylene Glycol (not everyone's favourite ingredient but you'll be hard pressed to find something without it) and Glycerine (a humectant). The cheaper masks are made of cotton and make you look like a serial killer, pricier ones are made of very thin silk and make you look like a ghost, a friendly one. There are a few other materials out there, I believe it's comfort (silk) over price mostly, with a bit of novelty thrown in. Unless you get into bio-cellulose and modelling masks the material does little different ime, though silk does seem to stay wet longer but it's a highly personal thing if you enjoy that sort of thing.

Though many promise lots of treatments with active ingredients the effects are very temporary, anything from an hour to one or two days. I wouldn't consider them as part of a routine (though some do use them this way) but something you pull out if you need a bit of a boost, or to use as a tool to help other things sink in quickly and deeper, say for a special event.

A lot have a high% of alcohol, which as mentioned before not necesarrily detrimental but can be drying. Fragrance is my issue with most. Another issue is preservatives. Asia has massively jumped on the 'no nasties' train quite recently and the reaction by manufacturers has been quick and perhaps too quick as it means there are some out there that use preservatives that are not allowed in the EU for genuinely being harmful so checking out the INCI on sheet masks is the most tedious of all. cosdna.com is very helpful with this but you're still left googling the odd sounding ingredients.

Korean hygiene scandal info here, there were a few companies using at home labour to fold their sheet masks, coupled with the pull back on preservatives (some manufacturers choose not to use preservatives at all since it's an air sealed single use item) it spells a recipe for disaster. Some Korean companies, were however, exemplary in their hygiene standards so it's rather unfair to tar them all with the same brush. Here is an updated list of replies from individual companies.

So in my current rotation are the Lululun Precious Red Masks (Japanese), these are really basic no frill sheet masks but do their job very well, usually the thing I grab when I use a sheet mask as a tool. Ingredients wise not anything spectacular but it's where I got my love of Rice Bran Oil from. They come in a multipack (which I kind of like but most prefer individually wrapped).

The Naruko Magnolia masks (Taiwanese) - these do give a brightening and evening skin tone effect that lasts longer than most (two days or so). Supposedly it's firming too but I can't really attest to that. These are more of a special treat type thing and when I want to pretend to be a porcelain doll.

I'm also a big fan of the Blithe Intensive Mask (Korean) - Abalone which has a bunch of oils in it and a few peptides (copper and matrixyl). Can't really tell you why I like it so much but I just do, it just lifts your skin up a notch when you need it.

I've tried other 'flavours' from the same brands and a few others (L'Herboflore, My Scheming, and Lovemore) none of them were outright horrible (L'Herboflore lovely as it was, the fragrance wasn't) I ended up liking these the best but it is highly individual. The Koreans are usually liked for the relatively low prices, the Taiwanese for the more luxurious silk mask types, and the Japanese for their no frills approach.

I buy them all from eBay, usually a single or two first to try. This does come out more expensive, usually around $2 (USD) each and if I like it will buy a box of ten.

yongnian · 28/10/2016 15:58

are people interested in Asian Beauty btw? errm I have lurked on the thread and backed out in terror and confusion and have read a bit about it on things like Into the Gloss so I know it's a Very Big Thing. I've learnt quite a bit from Fiddy Snails on that blog you linked to and felt slightly less terrified afterwards and now I've learnt considerably more about ingredients on here, I might dip a toe in at some point.
I am quite liking the look of:
Biore watery UV (as recommended by yo bo)
Dr Jart Ceramidin
Cremorlab chamomile masks
Hado Labo HA
I also really want some Japanese Onsen Bath powders.
It might actually make sense for me to try some stuff, particularly some of the cushion/bb type stuff as I am mixed-race Asian/Celtic and am a very yellow-tone, quite pale in the winter but capable of a deep deep tan at the merest sniff of the sun. I also have Asian eye/hair colouring. No doubt some of my personal skin issues are from my Asian genes too, though I definitely have some Celtic skin traits too. So I've a feeling I might find some stuff that really suits me.
I've also always liked the look of stuff like Shiseido and Shu Umera etc, so not entirely unknown concept to me.
But it's a biiiiiiigggg baffling world the Asian Beauty world, so am 'thinking' about it only at the mo.
enid I got some Daktarin Gold (with my boots points! ;-) ) and don't know if it's my hopeful imagination but the seb derm feels better already!! Keep you posted!!

botemp · 28/10/2016 17:08

I don't actually recommend the Biore from personal use, I've never tried it. It is, however, the most popular ss among AB fans who tend to be acne prone and a bit younger, but it's also well liked on these boards, and a long time bestseller in Japan and is affordable so on that basis I'm happy to point people that way. It is really an indoor sunscreen though and not sweatproof so I find it a troublesome recommendation as most people aren't really used to that distinction. The high alcohol count also makes it somewhat uninteresting for normal to dry skin.

Making a mental note to bring up Urea, this ingredient seems to be gaining a bit of momentum recently as an alternative to glycolic for sensitive skin but need to read up a bit more on it.

yongnian · 28/10/2016 17:39

Ah, I see botemp..Wink
Urea is magic stuff - it has done wonders for my skin. Smile haven't used it in place of glycolic though...but haven't used glycolic either. Would be interested to know more about that.

botemp · 28/10/2016 19:54

I've always been grossed out by the Urea/Urine thing but I know it's synthetically sourced for use in skincare... although urine therapy seems to be becoming a beauty thing now Shock.

So Urea is mostly interesting to dry (dehydrated) skin or sensitive/problematic skin. At low concentrations its an excellent humectant (the ability to bind water under the surface of the epidermis). At slightly higher concentrations it exfoliates but becomes less suitable for sensitive skin in the process, at even higher concentrations it usually is for specific skin conditions by prescription. Concentrations seem to vary between 3-40%.

It's naturally present as one of the three natural moisturiser in the outer horny layer of our skin (the other two being lactic acid, and amino acids

MumboNumber5 · 28/10/2016 20:01

Thanks so much bo - I really appreciate your feedback. Flowers

yongnian · 28/10/2016 20:14

That is interesting and makes sense....I was utterly astonished by what a high % urea cream (Flexitol heel balm) did for heels that have been life-long more like horny hooves, including splits and cracks....they just...disappeared...honestly. Didn't take long either, it was like watching magic happen. I had honestly tried everything (so I thought).
So it makes sense that there is some peel going, as well as super-humectant stuff.
I also used some of the platinum balm on a previously irritated facial patch which had dried badly and was rough. It was also starting to hyper-pigmentate (if that's a word). The urea sorted it out. The irritation itself had stopped by then though.
Worth looking at the Flexitol range - they do quite a few types though I found their 'lighter' creams for body etc a bit too fragranced. They do really big sizes as well.

botemp · 28/10/2016 20:57

I know high % Urea cream is often recommended for Keratosis Pilaris which makes sense if it's more keratin excess as opposed to sebum excess (where BHA would help more). Though AHA should work too. I was going to see what lactic acid (10% from the Ordinary) would do but knowing now it plays well with urea might do a bit of mixing and matching.

Interesting thing about hydroxyethyl urea though is that it has application for urea beyond dry skin and an alternative to glycerin. I did find it in both the HL normal and premium lotions but I expect at non exfoliating concentrations. They do also do a gel/cream (Koi Gokujyun Perfect Gel) where it's one of the first ingredients but mentions nothing about exfoliation properties Hmm.

hollinhurst84 · 28/10/2016 21:02

I bought a bliss shower gel recently and it's completely got rid of my KP Shock

botemp · 28/10/2016 21:09

Which one? Does it contain hydroxyethyl urea????

hollinhurst84 · 28/10/2016 21:12

Hang on and I shall Google

hollinhurst84 · 28/10/2016 21:15

It's called bliss fabulous foaming body wash, can't find a UK link. I got it in TK Maxx

botemp · 28/10/2016 21:19

It has lactic acid, which bodes well for my Ordinaries experiment Grin.

yongnian · 28/10/2016 21:31

I had read on MN about Urea and KP. DD1 has it. At the mo she's no patience for applying creams but it's great to know it's there to sort it out at some point in the future. It's very visible on her.

RubyGoat · 28/10/2016 21:58

I've found Dove body lotion / cream quite good for KP. If you check the ingredients, most of the basic Dove varieties have lactic acid and/or urea in, both of which are recommended for treating KP. Other options I looked into were a lot more expensive or less easy to get hold of.

EnidButton · 28/10/2016 22:03

The Eucerin 10% lotion completely got rid of the KP that was appearing on the tops of my thighs and back of upper arms. It's amazing stuff. Think you have to keep using it to be effective though and it's quite pricey. Really like it for the body. Never used urea on my face.

Yong glad the Daktarin is showing promise. If it is SD and the cream helps, it should clear it right up. Worth a go as it was virtually free. Smile

EnidButton · 28/10/2016 22:03

Going to read the recent posts now. Lots to catch up on.

Pupsiecola · 28/10/2016 22:35

My masks arrived earlier. I used the pink clay one (mentioned up thread). Very nice. Have tried the Vitamin C serum too (The Ordinary). Made my skin tingle quite strongly but not for long. Loving all my products. Even the Toleriane. Feels good to understand what I'm using now and to have carefully selected products and routine. I'm sure my skin isn't looking as flat and dull as usual. Thank you Bo.

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Pupsiecola · 28/10/2016 22:38

Oops. Moises the KP threads. DS1 (13) has KP and it's quite bad these days (started as a toddler). Might look into some of these suggestions. Would need to be low maintenance though!

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AuroraPolaris · 29/10/2016 10:25

Haven't read the whole thread but from what I did can second many of the things botemp said. Grin
I don't have acneic skin either but am a firm believer in sprays and would recommend anyone with troubled skin to try the LRP Serozinc spray which I use myself and on my pre-teen every evening. It's even good for sun irritations and the like.
LRP Toleriane has been my morning cleanser for ages. Can't vouch for its make up removing abilities but I love how mild it is and the fact you can wash it off even with cold water (I always use the coldest water AM).
Another product I've been using for YEARS in spite of it being for oily skin is Clarins Lotus Oil. Best smell in the world and has seen me out of many skin emergencies. My fav way of using it is - cleanse, acids, spray, lotus oil and that's it. If you have time you can even reapply the spray and oil after a couple of hours. It really works like a treatment.
A few years ago my skin became more sensitive to certain ingredients and by trial and error, reading, learning about INCI and unashamedly asking for samples I've learnt what irritates it and thus what to stay away from. It's a long process but really worth it! And believe me my "stay away from" includes many products lauded by bloggers and beauty editors alike!
For anyone wanting to dab into AB - just start with a few masks or a snail essence (the Benton Snail Bee essence is very good). Part of the nice thing about AB is that a lot of stuff is relatively cheap so mistakes are not expensive. Always read the INCI on Cosdna though because they indeed use some strange stuff and lots of silicones which my skin e.g. really does not like. You can always ask for a specific rec on the AB thread Wink

Again like botemp I'm a firm believer in healthy diet for improving skin condition. Things like fried food, sugar etc are not your friends, and of course in some cases lactose or even meat.

Pupsiecola · 29/10/2016 16:40

Bo where in your routine do you use the Serozinc? Thanks for the info on sheet masks btw. Food for thought.

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RubyGoat · 29/10/2016 17:27

Ok so this thermal water stuff - which kind is good for which skin type? I have combination/oily, sensitive, dehydrated skin, tend to get blemishes. I definitely think I would benefit from using it & am am goimg to get some, but it's not cheap considering its just water & would appreciate some pointers. I've read lots of blogs etc but they all seem to be written from the POV of dry/more mature skin.

SheStoodInTheStorm · 29/10/2016 18:38

I love serozinc, use it AM after acid toning though may need to rethink acids

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