Skincare Ingredients

[Pupsiecola]

Following on from the skincare routines post, what ingredients do you make sure you include in your products, for example, Vit C, Vit E, Hyaluronic acid?

TIA

I'm with you yoink! I've got a spreadsheet going atm!

Have you seen the other thread re people's routine's? It's such an individual thing, dependent on age and skin type and what you feel you need for your skin re any specific concerns. So much out there. It's hard to know where to begin.

Just seen on Instagram that Dr. Sam Bunting is starting a "science of skincare" series of vids today with the Telegraph. Might be worth a watch!

Today:-

www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/skin/science-of-skincare-what-are-retinoids/

I've not seen that thread pupsie, could you point me in the right direction please?

yoink I think I'd hold off on The Ordinary until you get to grips with what exactly it's about. I think it's great they're bringing these type of ingredients onto the market at democratic prices but as I was discussing upthread with Nabootique it really isn't a beginner's skincare line and you really need to have a good understanding of your own skin before jumping in on those. I'm finding it hard to recommend a beginner's guide as most will follow a certain philosophy towards skincare/are outdated.The Caroline Hirons cheat sheets are often recommended and while I do agree they give a decent intro it is very specific to her philosophy and she tends to change her tune on certain things so some are outdated and the site is difficult to navigate.

What exactly are you finding difficult, the routine, products, where to start, etc. ? I don't know if it's worth starting a separate thread over but ask and I'll try to answer.

I'm trying to search the 'threads I'm on' thing as I've answered some other posters at length that could be useful but I'm having difficulty locating the one I was looking for, I may have a backup version of it somewhere.

Pupsiecola there are several things that while non-comedogenic can be clogging, irritating, etc. There's derivatives of palm/coconut, mineral oil, sulfates, etc. in the lotion so it would be hard to tell what. The other has retinol but no indication of strength along with a patented ingredient containing a form of Vit C. All potentially irritating, there's endless possibilities unfortunately.

The pH matters mostly in cleansers and acids (oils have no pH). Our skin is slightly acidic, when it becomes basic/alkaline it is more prone to acne, rosacea, etc. etc. A lot of cleansers (especially the foaming SLS types) are high pH (ie. alkaline) and disrupt our natural acid mantle making it susceptible to bacteria leading to issues mentioned above where acidic cleansers don't disrupt. For more info on cleansers this post is worth reading. In acids it matters because in order to be exfoliating there is an ideal pH. Too low and it damages skin (think lemon juice, neat apple cider vinegar), too high and the active ingredient won't work as effectively as the concentration needed would be insanely high due to the difficult maths I mentioned upthread, this post explains it better than I can.

Thank you so much bo. I feel like I want to send you a huge bunch of flowers (or a voucher for some skincare!).

I've been through what I'm using and tried to minimise products whilst covering all bases. This is what I've come up with as a plan for the next three months. I am banning myself from purchasing anything else. Although once I use up the Bionic Face Serum I'm not sure I'll be getting any Vit C. I am just going to check the other products to see if they contain any. I've also got the Darphin oil coming but that will be used occasionally when I feel I need it. Obviously I will only use one of the two moisturisers per morning/evening.

I'm 47, have sensitive/reactive skin and early rosacea. Skin is relatively smooth and soft and not dehydrated (3 litres of water every day). It's not dry or greasy. Very rarely get spots. Sun damage.

This thread has been fantastic! Thanks to all who have contributed.

Here you go yoink.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/2756041-Whats-your-skincare-routine

I know people love EH's CB (I personally didn't get on with it due to some of the essential oils) but I do think it's a bit overkill to be using for your morning cleanse, it's great for taking makeup/the day off, but all you are washing off (provided you don't have huge oil and sebum issues) in the morning is a bit of sweat and naturally produced (beneficial mostly) oil. So either water (if that feels sufficient) or a gentle simple cleanser (LRP Toleriane one is good if you're leaning to the drier side) should be sufficient.

It's also generally not advised to use AHA or Retinol in the mornings as both make you photosensitive. I will also continually drone on about using a standalone SPF at the end of a morning routine.

Thank you so so much bo. I should have added, I do either use the Neostrata SPF50 I posted about yesterday or an SPF50 from LRP or Eucerin. On my face and decolletage, daily. I am very careful about the sun these days :-)

Noted re the AHA/Retinol. Thank you. You're a total star

Does this look good for a daytime moisturiser also adding Vitamin C?

www.boots.com/en/Indeed-Labs-Vitamin-C24-Facial-Creme-30ml_1792854/

thanks Pupsie! I'll get reading.

I just looked up the Neostrata Active Matrix support, I have to say it's a very odd product to be a daytime product with both SPF and Retinol in it, I have to assume the Retinol content in that has to be negligible and is mostly there to allow them to market it is anti-ageing.

Thank you bo. I thought exactly the same thing after your last post! This advice has been invaluable and it's really encouraged me to look all these things up. I am going to use this stuff up as hand cream and apart from the bio-hydrating cream I'm going to simplify and go back to LRP, a little Paula's Choice and some Indeed Labs. These brands are a lot cheaper too :-)

Expensive mistakes but glad I've realised now, for the sake of my skin.

That IL moisturiser is very siliconey (which is a good stabiliser for Vit C) but it'll be very individual if you enjoy that sort of thing. I have to say that although there were a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon to try it out (was a v. affordable stable Vit C before The Ordinary was launched) I've heard little buzz around it since. Personally I wouldn't be looking for Vit C in a moisturiser, it'll be more effective in a stand alone serum (though the IL one is a bit of an odd hybrid).

Small aside, Indeed Labs is where Brandon Truaxe the owner/founder of Deciem (the parent company of the Ordinary, NIOD, Hylamide and a few others) started before branching out on his own. The Deciem products are generally more liked and sort of advanced versions of the Indeed Labs on the whole.

Thank you. Am itching to ask you about hair products, make up and body lotion but will save for another day lol.

Thanks for reminding me, I need to order shampoo before it actually runs out .

Ditto (Pureology).

Would you our Eucerin in the same category as LRP?

Sorry! Am in Boots and there's a 3 for 2 on LRP. They do a Redermic vit C. What do you reckon?

You're a marketeers dream?

I can't remember the exact % of Vit C in that but I think it was less than 10 (and therefore deemed uninteresting by me).

Lol. 10pc. Have not bought it. Have bought two Redermic R instead. Have used before 😀

Ahem... "I am banning myself from purchasing anything else."

Redermic R is pretty decent as far as the OTC retinoids go so not all is lost.

I'd say Eucerin and LRP are similar just with different approaches French v. German. I am in Europe and Eucerin is significantly more expensive and less susceptible to offers than LRP so I don't think I've ever bought anything from them. I do believe they belong to the same parent company as La Prairie (which while overpriced does have a good scientific backing to their products) and Nivea, so they know what they're doing in terms of basic skincare that is useful to most it's just not highly remarkable enough to justify the price point to me here. I half suspect they're also the ones manufacturing the Aldi skincare line.

Ah yes but Redermic C was on my spreadsheet above; I had already decided to buy it :-)

Thanks for that. I have ordered the Vit C from The Ordinary. And that really is it now! I have made a mental note to reassess in February :-)

Just popping in to say I totally agree re EH MB. I don't get on with it at all. It irritates my eyes if I use it as my solo cleanser when travelling. It feels massively over essential oiled too.

my skin looks its Best when I use Eve Lom which is just expensive mineral oil

Interesting cockblock. I absolutely take the point it is too much for the mornings. It does make me skin feel amazing though. Am going to just use in the evenings though.