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Skincare Ingredients

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Pupsiecola · 18/10/2016 16:08

Following on from the skincare routines post, what ingredients do you make sure you include in your products, for example, Vit C, Vit E, Hyaluronic acid?

TIA

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botemp · 12/11/2016 21:15

Just PM me your address Pupsie, I'll send you a decant of the P50W.

I've experienced no gritiness with the Vit C but do the patting thing rather than smear which I'm guessing makes a difference Confused. I have looked at their other Vit C offerings but it somewhat annoys me that they don't include Vit E and Ferulic as this massively boosts the working of the Vit C. It also appears that the research claiming Vit C increases SPF protection is related to 15% l-ascorbic acid that incorporated 1% α-tocopherol (Vit E). So while I like TO price, it's not really enough to convince me to continue using it, it remains a good rec for a budget Vit C and for those with pigmentation issues though and people who aren't that bothered by the odd texture.

Next I shall probably either try the Nufountain C20 Ferulic ($27, not sure on the shipping cost, possibly free) or the Skinceuticals samples on ebay that amount to a full size product in 6 adorable little bottles (around $50 shipped).

I don't know how it would work as a mask, Dulci, but you can definitely leave it on for 20mins and wash it off and then do the rest of your routine if you have the patience as Vit C is recommended to use 1-2 x a day. They keep flipflopping on this but I believe it's now Vit C in the AM that's preferred but that might be related to the SPF improvement thing that TO one may or may not offer.

How much is the indeed labs hylauron? I've never bothered with the western ones (they either irritated or had horrible textures) and compared to the Japanese offerings seem such poor value for money. I've been tempted by the Hyalamide SubQ but Deciem tend to use so many non standard ingredients it takes way too much to research properly to make sure my skin will like it. I suspect with the use of different weights of HA it won't.

wiltingfast · 12/11/2016 22:23

Hmm interesting feedback on TO. Still waiting on my

HA,
niacinamide &
matrixyl.

Skin is definitely settling down a bit day by day. One side improving quicker than the other! Skin feels a tad tight, i suspect I need more hydration. Dying to try TO HA Smile

Have biore watery essence on order and once that is here, might venture into an toner, I hear here are hydrating ones?! Or should I go for a mild exfoliating one?

Or is TO niacinamide product essentially a type of toner?

And what about sleeping masks? can you tell I've ventured onto the AB threads Grin anyone using those?

botemp · 12/11/2016 22:33

Sleeping masks are great for hydration (though some focus on other things), currently using the Naruko Magnolia night gelly which is pretty much the same, high in niacinamide. The hydrating toners is mostly the Hada Labo lotion, though I prefer the paraben free Kohaku Hada amber one. A mild exfoliating one would be an acid toner, were you the one scared of those or was that someone else?

I'd say the Niacinamide is more of a serum type texturally, probably has a bit of HA in it but wouldn't be relying on that for a boost in hydration.

EnidButton · 12/11/2016 22:55

What can be used for hydration other than HA or products containing Shea butter?

Feel like you've told me this already but my brain is fried today,

EnidButton · 12/11/2016 22:55

Oils! Jojoba oil. Just remembered.

botemp · 12/11/2016 23:04

Despite some oils claiming to be hydrating I tend not to find any to be decent humectants and only delivering on the emollient front. Same goes for Shea butter. How are you with Glycerine? Otherwise it's worth looking into seaweed and algae ferments as HA alternatives.

EnidButton · 12/11/2016 23:24

Glycerin totally fine as far as I know anyway. Like the sound of seaweed etc. Don't suppose straight glycerine is enough? Like the one used in baking?

wiltingfast · 13/11/2016 00:24

Yes bo, I'm the one nervous of those. Toners were awful the last time I tried them back in the 90s

hollinhurst84 · 13/11/2016 01:01

They're a bit different to the past, honest Grin
What was that paint stripping one, ten 0 six or something...
I've used pixi glow and not even a tingle and I have porcelain, easily flushed skin

hollinhurst84 · 13/11/2016 01:03

Oh... It's come back Shock
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RubyGoat · 13/11/2016 01:23

What do you think of the Paula's Choice niacinamide booster drops? I have oily / combination / dehydrated / sensitive skin. Much improved since I ditched the Lancome serum & cream & went with Vichy aqualia & LRP Toleriane fluide. I also really like the thermal water spray, bought mini bottles today for my bag & desk at work.

I'm waiting on my Biore watery essence sunscreen too (it's taking forever to arrive).

OpenMindedSceptic · 13/11/2016 04:16

With regards to The Ordinary products:
I like the Vit C. I do find it a bit gritty but it goes after a while. Tiny bit of stinging. Can't compare to other brands as it is the first one I've tried.
The HA+B5 - I am beginning to think it is drying up my skin Confused. My face feels very tight after applying and it leaves a shiny film on my skin. Will probably go back to Hylamide or look for something else.

Lego let me know how you get on with Biore Watery essence - it,s on my list if things to try!

Pupsiecola · 13/11/2016 08:51

Bo that is very kind. Can I pay you please?!

How does the eBay work re the Vit C? Sounds like a great idea. Someone buys it and splits into vials?!

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Pupsiecola · 13/11/2016 08:55

I like the PC Niacinamide drops. I use them every night mixed in with whoever moisturiser I'm using. I will probably repurchase. But then I've never used an alternative.

Bo the Indeed Labs is about £25 I think.

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SuperFlyHigh · 13/11/2016 09:03

I don't use anything chemical right now as far as I know apart from sunscreen and been trying an organic facial moisturiser.

I want to try maybe something like retinol or AHA as noticed 2 very faint lines between forehead eye area that may be a problem...

I have no idea re night time moisturisers but do use a serum or face oil.

Also using clarins facial oils mixed with moisturiser (the 2 in blue and orange bottles not the green detox one) on separate days. I've also been hot cloth cleansing with a balm from M&S (not sure which brand) for past month which seems nice.

What do people recommend generally? I'm 45 with generally very good skin slightly oily combination on t zone and dry on cheeks. The oily is probably why hardly any wrinkles but Good genes help plus don't drink much or smoke and always spf50 at least on face and good diet.

Also what would you suggest for a 36/37 year old who has drunk and smoked but has a good diet (juicing a lot and running, yoga etc) who has 2 fine lines below eyes, sort of below eye socket area? That's a close friend just noticed them and she has asked what's best. Not sure what she uses but is French so generally a good skin care regime.

RubyGoat · 13/11/2016 10:59

Will do, OpenMindedSceptic, I'll post feedback on this thread (or thread 2 judging by the way it's going Grin). I must say I'm very impressed by how much my skin has improved so far, it's not even been a month since I switched to the Vichy Aqualia serum & LRP Toleriane fluide, my skin looks smoother, less shiny, & I've had less spots, & the ones I have had, have healed very quickly leaving less of a mark.

I've also tried the BHA / clay / oil, 3- step mask that was linked earler in the thread, with not much success so far. Not sure if I'm doing it right though, but I will keep doing it weekly, as I've not noticed any tightness or negative effects from it, it's probably my massage technique on the 3rd stage? Any thoughts from anyone who has had success with this? As I have a problem area across the bridge of my nose I'd like to banish.

AuroraPolaris · 13/11/2016 11:55

lego try this order- clay, acid, oil. I think that should b the proper order since a clay mask is almost part of cleansing. You can also put a serum before the oil though it's not a must.

A good WB overnight mask is the Clinique Moisture Surge overnight mask. Glad they haven't put any silicone or MO in that yet... The tube is huge and lasts forever.

AuroraPolaris · 13/11/2016 12:01

Word to the wise re Vit C - that review I linked to a while ago from Hot and Flashy about Vit C was done after she tried the products for three months each. So I think expecting any fast results is not realistic.

botemp · 13/11/2016 12:38

Enid, they sell Glycerin and Rosewater here for very little at the pharmacy. My grandmother has a giant tub of it and uses it as moisturiser, I don't know if the baking stuff is the same as used for cosmetics but if it's safe enough to eat and has no other ingredients I assume it would be safe enough to use on the face mixed with a bit of rosewater.

Lego, so far the reviews I've seen seem to say that PC's Niacinamide is a bit better than the Ordinary one but not enough to justify the price difference. I think it's more of a how much do you want to spend on it question, I'm guessing texturally the PC will be a bit more light weight and frugal in use (TO is a bit gloopy).

Wilting, I have no clue how to convince you of the greatness that is acid toners. I used pixi glow tonic with trepidation and it really soured me towards them as it really didn't agree with me, leaving me convinced acid toners were evil. However, when I did a bit of research you'll see you've most likely been using something with Salycilic, Glycolic, or Lactic Acid and liking it very well, most likely due to their presence in it. When you have the right acid toners they are truly game changers in a routine.

Pupsie, no payment necessary, feels like I'm running a Ponzi scheme if I start charging for decants. SC make the samples and sell them to suppliers in a box of six, they're not supposed to sell them on, just push the single bottles on interested customers. The trusted seller is this one. Helpfully they let you know when it was produced too so you're sure you're not getting old stock. I am calculating an import tax on top though as you never know, but I will ask them to mark it as samples which they technically are and should therefore be exempt from taxes.

SuperFly, you're already using an AHA in the Good Genes in the form of Lactic Acid. If you're interested in a Retinol there's not much out there in the 'natural' world, something like Sunday Riley's Luna Oil (Nabootique if she's still around uses it and likes it but reviews are very mixed, mostly as it was pushed at a far too young youtube audience and it has quite a specific place in your routine that wasn't intuitive iirc). Kypris Moonlight Catalyst is another that comes to mind but the brand has some very odd behaviour towards its customers as chronicled here and again, Nabootique used a few of their other products and was left unimpressed, especially considering the price tag.

As for your friend who has drunk and smoked, is that still ongoing? Retinol is the first line of defence, I think the LRP Redermic R for eyes is probably a decent budget choice but have no clue how effective it is as it's very much a love it or hate it product. Otherwise I use Verso Super Eye Serum which I find brilliant but I use preventatively so I can't say for certain how it fares as a reversing product, reviews are good though and despite the high initial price it lasts very long and is twice the size of a normal eye product so works out a bit more reasonable. Will take a while though to see actual results.

Lego, I tend to rub quite small concentric circles with the pads of two fingers and then swap out to two knuckles and linger in one area counting a good number of seconds. I've also mixed in the BHA with the clay mask sometimes. I think it's a good technique, it doesn't however surpass the (albeit temporary) effect of the Glamglow supermud mask, but I always balk at the price as the jar dries out quite quickly and I'd only ever use it on my nose so surely would be throwing out half a very pricey jar, I think in the UK it's easier to purchase the smaller tube sizes (at M&S) but I can't get my hands on those here without incurring ridiculous shipping charges.

Yes Vit C takes a while to notice effect, though the marginal hydration benefits and expedited recovery period post blemish should be noticeable. I've been using Vit C for so long now that for me it's more a comparison between products than looking for effect, iyswim.

OpenMindedSceptic · 13/11/2016 13:02

Lego I also use Vichy aqualia serum and do rate it! Didn't like it at first as it is silicone-y but it does hydrate and plums my skin really well.

Aurora yes I've read somewhere that Vit C takes months to work. Having said that, after almost 2 weeks my skin looks more glowy. Will carry on!

Dulcie in the other thread you mentioned Korres yoghurt SPF for face (I think it was you!) I would like to give this a try too, where do you get it from? Currently not available in Amazon!

OpenMindedSceptic · 13/11/2016 13:04

Plums?! Plumps!

Pupsiecola · 13/11/2016 13:33

What's TO Buffet all about? I wonder if it's worth a try. Thanks for that eBay link Bo. I shall check it out. Just going to PM you. If you want me to send you a small Glamglow let me know. You could have it delivered here?

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EnidButton · 13/11/2016 13:49

Thank you bo

AuroraPolaris · 13/11/2016 14:16

bo I was also wondering about adding acid to clay masks. Liquid Gold have a very good resurfacing mask - Liquid Gold Smoothing and Perfecting mask (or smg), though I think it has parabens. What happened to that brand anyway....?

I tried the other Glam Glow mask in the blue tin a few times and I thought it very good (though that was before I was anointed to the world of AB Grin) but yeah the price... I think Douglas did have the small pots of that version when it came out.

Yesterday I applied the L'Herboflore HA Biocellular mask again and WOW!!!! It's so brightening and cooling. Definitely a mask to try before an important event! Wine

AuroraPolaris · 13/11/2016 14:22

pupsi as far as my understanding of the INCI list (fermented agents, peptides and HA) of buffet goes this serum if possibly targeted at acneic sensitive skin.

I ordered the Matrixyl one but haven't started using it yet.

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