The Crepe Escape

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New thread!

Title can refer either to our upcoming holidays, or our upcoming fleeing from the Bojo-led charabanc of doom.

. it was very a bit rude.

I was disbelieving yesterday. I am incredibly angry today.
And yes the thought of Boris as PM is horrific.

GGG you could repost it here for our delectation - we wouldn't dob you in :)

Hopefully we will get Theresa May instead of Boris. Boris is not overly popular with a lot of Tories.

The very idea of BoJo in charge makes me feel nauseous. Add in The Trump Idiot and I might crumple.
I just get the horrible feeling that I don't understand the world anymore.
Dh says I'm being over dramatic and everything will probably stay the same. I wish I could share his blind optimism. This, the man with no pension.

BD I got very cross yesterday and managed to clean the whole house within an inch of its life.

I suppose there's just more football this weekend.

Boden sale alert

GLOOOOOOOOM.

It appears this whole 'economic apocalypse' and 'nation of utter fuckwits' wasn't just a bad dream. What the bloody hell is going to happen now? Terrifying. House price collapse? It's the only investment we have. Apart from a stocks and shares ISA. Oh, bye to that.

Possibly shows up the power/danger of social media, too. Its algorithms just fill your feed with news and opinions you already agree with, thus confirming one's own view of the world. So, if you're an 'inner' you think the rest of the populace is of that view so there's no need to vote, or conversely if you're an 'outer' you assume your Little Englander views are correct and you'll 'get your country back'.

DP's birthday party was last night, sans Euroquizion, which would have been a mistake under the circs. Everyone was so shellshocked at the result it was more like a wake. DP did a moving speech and got all tearful. He was officially made redundant yesterday, too.

Oh Herbs, what a day! I am so sorry. Sending love and

Herbs how much notice? Is the payoff enough for a while?

Have seen DMum and ddad but heading back as being round a bunch of oaps telling me 'we will be alright'. Is making me seethe.
This vote is perhaps a clear case of arguing we should lower the voting age! And don't get me started on 'it was a protest vote and I didn't think it would count'. FGS - you've had numerous general elections to do that - oh yes, of course you did and look where that has got us.

Sadly like MI I have no other nationality I could claim, DBro could try Malaysian I guess...

Oh Herbs. Poor dp, that's shit for a birthday in every way.

Yesterday I felt shocked and disbelieving. today I feel soothingly furious in a horribly impotent way. It really is a terrible thing that "we've" done.

Ds2 who is hugely interested in Germany - history and language - is looking into getting himself a German passport as I type. He is eligible apparently on account of his grandparents fleeing from there in the '30s.

The awfulness of the parallels of the majority of the population seemingly falling for the hyperbole, rhetoric and empty promises as well as the downright lies of the Leave campaign - an unholy alliance of posh ambitious Tories and xenophobe reactionaries - in a way that perhaps VERY faintly echoes the way the disappointed and disaffected voted in Hitler as Chancellor in 1933 has not escaped me.

GGG indeed. Falling for promises that those making them have/had no means of making good on. I love my ddad very much but on this I am really angry with him. His 'I am British' metality has done it repairable damage.

I get that his generation saw the origin of the EU and that tradition couldn't have been easy, but to throw it all away with no plan seems suicidal to me. And this fifth largest economy nonsense - don't get me started.....

To be fair to my impossible 82 year old father he was utterly at the service of local remain campaigners on Thursday. And will be gutted.

So he's one of the 23% in that age bracket MI......

And my mum! 81y and living on the south coast. Utterly horrified that people think she voted leave because of the demographic.

Oh Herbs, that's bad timing. Fingers crossed for you.

My DM is of course incapable of voting. I have no idea what she would have gone for.

Just had a cultural Saturday morning at the Textile Museum and café with friends - we spent most of the time talking about the result and trying to make light of it.

DS is enroute to the wilds of Norf London to be in an advert apparently

Ahh, Herbs, your poor dp. What a day for you both. :(

Good on your df, MI. My dm (86) voted remain, as did her arch-Tory brother, which surprised her. So there's another two oldsters bucking the trend in their age group. However, my dm does keep saying that despite the result, it's all going to be fine once the dust settles, and she is clearly carefully not listening to anything or anyone that indicates otherwise. A neighbour and friend of my dm's, also in the same age bracket, has close links to DC's family - I wonder how she voted...

BTM, I look forward to seeing your ds in an advert soon, then. Or is it just for something local?

I was appalled and depressed yesterday and then got the rage. Now I am just trying to understand where we really are in all this and how we got in this mess. And wondering how to move forward. We need new politicians and new ideas and new political parties. But I don't suppose we'll get them. Does anyone need any more proof that running the country should not be left to ex-public schoolboys more concerned with furthering their own interests than the greater good? (I also include Blair here because he played a part in alienating a large proportion of the population and ensuring they were ready to listen to Farage and Johnson). And that fecking weed Corbyn just nambies around, thinking he is being clever and principled by not playing the games that the others are playing. However, this means that he is just sidelined and no one listens to him at all.

And turning Scottish is daft, as the Scots (pace Auriga) famously don't like us (can't say as I blame them) and will not be nice to any plastic jocks that arrive there in the next while. Ds would be eaten alive in a Scottish school, Scottish passport or not.

Am pissed off with myself for not going with my gut instinct and buying all the Euros for our hols on Tuesday. At least I got half of them at the good rate. I had a suspicion that things were not going to go the way I would have wanted them to in the referendum because of the large numbers of leave posters spotted round here and also the number of times I got looked at with surprise when I said I was voting remain. I pointed out to a shop assistant in Lidl that it was a bit odd for him to vote leave when he worked for a German company, but that cut no ice with him.

My ddad voted Remain (but as he had to be guided as to where to put the cross, it's anyone's guess!) I can't listen to the endless analysis anymore, I must admit. It's so headless chickens. On Monday, we have an extended management meeting to discuss. It will be really interesting to hear the proposals and opinion of the Sovereign and Bank analysts. Bet the whole London office get redundancy now. I should have held off on the notice.

I am so tired and shaky today, I don't know what's up. This morning, I kept wandering off for little naps. And these endless thunderstorms rolling along the coast aren't helping....currently sitting in the car, in the rain, outside a bowling alley, waiting for dd2 to come out of a party. Still Glasto is on the radio, which is cheering

Off to buy more chooks tomorrow. Our last batch only lasted a few years, so I'm trying a different breeder. Mr Cockerel is in for a treat. Six new wives!

I'm really sorry to hear about dp's job, Herbs. Is he feeling despondent or hopeful? It's all just very unsettling.....

Chin up Crepeys, some bright spark will figure out what to do....

Ah, Beachy, glad it's not just me with chook trouble. I'm going to get some new ones after coming back from hols.

Have just had a long,over the hedge chat with the farmer n txt door. He says he feels stupid as he voted leave, because he was pissed off with all the forms he has to fill in for subsidies and how he hates all the rules . Now he realises he won't get any subsidies at all. He's muttering about selling the land to build houses.. Shock and Awe.

Herbs that's awful about your dh. Has he got any notions where he'll go from here? Sorry too about your splendid quiz. I really loved the idea.fwiw.

Darling crepies, I thought Brexit has finally stopped us chatting. Then I found the new thread.

I am still reeling, furious and tearful. Not sure I can forgive leave voters. I loathe Boris but think Cameron has to be replaced by an official leaver and I don't think boris actually wants us to leave so if the sort of time and space opportunity that Joshua r talks about in the guardian today opens up, maybe he's more likely to take it?

Up for corbyn back stabbing. In fact, may go round the front and trying to make voice heard at hq (am party member). Apparently others are.

Sorry to everyone who has had bad days for other reasons. Can't read whole thread as on train with ds after lovely day out visiting a university.

Cremo I reckon there are a load of people who voted leave because of "petty" annoyances who now realise the shit they have landed themselves in.

Lalsy, was it my city of birth? What does he want to do? And go and stab away on our behalf please!

Could be Tilly! Railway museum? He liked it anyway. Not sure, possibly history, maybe with politics. I think he needs to read a bit and step back now he has been to two open days. He hasn't had a weekend off for ages - first weekend after exams finished he was on mad camp thing. Was lovely to have a day out together anyway. Felt awful looking at lovely enthusiastic shiny young people and thinking what have we done to them?

Stropps, aw. So pleased it is done and what a trooper (her) and rock (you).

Several of my Brexiteer relations are rubbing it in even more because a lot of them (and their children) have, or are eligible for, another EU nationality: German, Hungarian, Romanian, Czech, Croatian. (Why yes, they are descended from or are married to, immigrants!) So bully for them. Spent last night chatting to my cousin who voted remain (we were the only four in the room, I think, who voted remain). She is a director of a well known clothing company, and she said her family, and others, have no idea what is going to hit them.

Quite a few of my relatives work for the NHS, and they all cited "people coming here to use our NHS" as why they wanted to leave. They said that although the NHS bleats that they will only give emergency care to people who aren't eligible, the reality is that the NHS does everything they want/need.

Oh Herbs.

Of my four parents, three voted Remain. DSM (much as I love her) is a fluffy-headed Daily Mail reader, and believes we'll be OK, it'll be just like the good old days. The one I'm MOST pissed off with is DB. He's young (43), well-educated, and works for a City bank, FFS! Of all the people who should have had the intelligence to see the whole picture. He's also off to the US in August, but I'm betting that he bought his currency before assisting in unleashing this shit-storm on the rest of us.

ANYway, onto more important issues; how about some S&B news? I topped up DD1's ASOS order the other day with this jumpsuit at a bargain price of £13.50. It's fab! I feel like a 1970s party hostess. I am planning to bling it up with some jewellery ffor DBIL's 50th next month.

Cv, you will look fabulous in that. Most wouldn't.
i suspect that my ddad wld hv voted out but my dmum in; possibly to do with being from NI.

I'ld feel a lot better about all of this if there was a David Owen or just anyone stepping frward with constructive ideas about why we're leaving.

Crem,, my dp has also suggested I'm over reacting and souldnt hv the radio on and check twitter/mumsnet etc all the time but I'm putting that down to the slightly distancing effect of the op and meds.

Am really angry and ggg admired yr convo last night. Wish I'ld seen yr deleted post.

Am especially angry about how carelessly the referendum question and parameters set up and about people saying they didn't realise it would matter - because that effectively does just leave the little englanders driving things frward. And fr all the talk og other passports, I don't want to go. I spent my first decade moving. I just want this to be a de ent country fr our children and others.