Feeling quite aggressive about ageing

[FluffyCubs]

So

Got a face fulla fillers but I just need radical.
I'm saving for a facelift
And bought a dermastamp
And am now considering ingesting untested c60 to combat ageing, even joined a bit of a cranky forum (longecity)

Anybody else being quite obsessed and stepping beyond creams etc?

Hey, I know it's patriarchal bullshit, but that doesn't stop me wanting to look half decent. And, yes, we have to go through the ramifications of giving birth and sleepless nights etc, while men pretty much sail on through. I just want to look my age, not trying to turn back time.

The untested one I was talking about is c60, an allotrope of carbon, which is dissolved in olive oil and absorbs free radicals while also being similar to mitoq which gives mitochondrial support and is proven to work clinically. I'm only interested in fixing things on a cellular level. Admittedly only anecdotal and animal evidence so far though.

Have you looked on Caroline Hirons blog.
She says that moisturisers aren't the be all.
It's serums that penetrate the skins layers.
Maybe you need a good skincare regime and too stave off a facelif.
A facelift will only last about 10 years before you have to do it again.

I think it won't be too much longer before a face that's aged naturally will have the same reaction as a couple of hairy armpits and untouched pubes would get down the local pool today ( on a woman of course)

Hi Fluffy. I know where you're coming from! I've been looking into this stuff for ages. I haven't had anything done yet, though, so watching with interest. You do sound a bit obsessed though (what the jeff is mitochondrial wotsit?) but imo invasive stuff is only a step further along from botox etc. If you can afford it, why not?

I don't think it's just about vanity either: we live in a competitive world where older women are sidelined and shunned (not great, and yes, patriarchal bullshit, but that's life, I guess, so may as well get on with it....).

I'm saving for a threadlift (a kind of facelift-lite) and later on I'd like a browlift. Meanwhile I'm doing face exercises and they seem to be working, and they're free.

I'm 55, btw.

I am only mid forties, but have gone the other way.

Gone are the expensive creams, just use bodyshop now. Or Simple.

Bit of grooming (basic), done

I just can't get too upset about ageing. Don't know why though. I think living rurally helps, you are considered glam if you wear mascara, and pretty if you smile

I read something yesterday about HRT being particularly recommended (by a male specialist) for women who work with men, to enable them to carry on the menopause unrecognised and not sweating. It pissed me off. So does this not looking like we are aging. I did fall for it a bit when I turned 40, but that's worn off now.

I am feeling quite aggressive about the middle-age-spread, but that is something which is within my means to control. And has a reason health-wise.

What facial exercises are you doing ageingdisgracefully?

I agree Directorofbetter, then again what does 'aged naturally' even mean?

If I never used moisturizers or sunscreen, would that constitute aging naturally?
We define 'natural' according to what we personally approve of, I am naturally a bit vain and therefore like to look attractive.
It is therefore perfectly natural for me to take advantage of modern cosmetic interventions ?

lots of people see 'middle age spread' as just a natural part of ageing

I think that trying to keep to a healthy weight and keeping skin/hair in good condition (by whatever method floats your boat) is only sensible, but we show our experiences and characters in our faces, so it always seems strange (to me) to want to mess with them... However, each to their own and I'm quite prepared to admit that I may be in a minority.

Did not mean to be impolite in previous post upthread, but I was horrified at the idea of using something untested. Hope you are not going ahead with that idea.

So Flora, if there was a harmless pill that would give you a forever 30 face you'd say no thanks I like to have a face which shows my experience and characters and I want to continue to look increasingly older as the years go by ?

Suzanne, I think I would say no. I'm not saying that older people should ignore their appearance or stop taking care of themselves, far from it. But I would not be 30, so why should I want to look like something that I wasn't?

Wilde was talking about moral corruption and hypocrisy rather than the fading of physical beauty when he wrote 'The Portrait of Dorian Grey', but it is still very thought-provoking. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray

Think ageing is horrific too :( I have tried Botox in my early 40 s with good results and I am very very tempted again .. Nearly 49 .. Gos where have the years gone ... But I have decided against it as I am not in a position financially for the upkeep plus I'm scared of it looking too much and not in balance with the Lower face .. Less is define more with botex as we get older .. Have you seen the state of Liz McDonald in coronation street ! ;)
So I'm upping my game skin care wise and just trying to look the best I can age wise ..

I think I would say no to that pill too. It would be a tussle but the bottom line for me is that my age is a big part of who I am and I don't see why I should deny it.

I cling to the belief that age shouldn't be a barrier to looking good but that seems to be a minority view on these boards.

So Flora and Flo, if/when we are able to significantly slow down or reverse the ageing process most of us ( I presume) would chose a youthful body but you would forgo the regeneration treatment and let your bodies deteriorate?

I dont suppose I would want to look like a teenager!
I am a mature woman, I want to be taken seriously, I'd like my face to have a little 'gravitas'

However, I dont want a corrugated forehead, eyebrows knitted together from frowning, deeply etched crows feet, hooded baggy eyes, sagging jowls and a wattled neck

I'm of the opinion that other than actresses, other women aren't expected to look young, but rather look "well".

We all praise people who turn up literally glowing. They're the people who are praised. If you look radiant nobody really notices your crows feet.

To that end, I've started doing the whole Caroline Hirons routine. I have to say, its bloody working. My skin looks fab at the mo. I'm hoping that, and not smoking and a nice Korean sunscreen will give me the illusion of fabuousity.

I don't want to stop ageing - I just want to look more radiant than anyone else my own age!

Suzanne if what you mean is a pill that would enable me to stay in good health and active for longer or even live longer then I wouldn't turn that chance down. I don't suppose anyone would.

BUt if you're just talking about ageing inside and my health declining etc whilst still looking 30 then no. I'm not 30 and I never will be again. Come to think about it, I didn't even much enjoy being 30 so why would I want to look that age?

But I realise that most people on here will probably agree with you.

Suzanne - that's a rather different question, but I think the answer would still be 'no'. Especially if the reason for seeking eternal youth would be mostly cosmetic. One would still be living a lie, and it would be grossly unfair to future generations, and disastrous for the planet as a whole. I don't think I'd have the right to do that. Others may think differently, of course. Am not criticising them.

The rest of this is probably going to sound far too serious for a S and B thread. Please forgive me, but here goes:

People in the past believed that men and women can and (sometimes) do gain wisdom or compassion or understanding as they get old; they (hopefully) can learn from long experience. I hope that's true. Because that is surely what matters, not looking other than we really are. By all means, let's look our very, very best, but be true to ourselves.

Yes, I know, and am grateful, that wonderful medical advances have lengthened lifespans and - even more importantly - done a great deal to end suffering. But still, so far, only for a privileged section of humanity. It would surely be better to try to extend good health care to everyone, worldwide, before seeking eternal youth for the few.

disastrous for the planet
no no, we'll have conquered space, found other earth like planets to live on etc

not looking other than we really are but what would we look like as we 'really' are?
It makes no sense, what interventions are allowed, we are back to the whole naturalistic fallacy thing.

I cant help feeling that it all comes down to a moral judgement about vanity...

Suzanne I realise that was to flora and not me but I can assure you it's nothing to do with anti vanity on my part.

If you read my post on page 1: 07:54:28 - I explain my view there as best I can.

As a 60 year old , I am SO pleased fillers, facelifts, botox etc were almost unheard of for 'normal' people when I was 40.

I feel so sorry for women in their 30s and 40s already worrying they look 'old' and going for quite radical interventions which, to keep up the effect, they will have to have for the rest of their lives and which will set them back thousands and thousands of pounds. Spend the money on a few good holidays, and on enjoying yourselves, the happiness will look much better on your face than a shiny, taut skin.

I feel like you OP - I have the "Facelift fund" in the bank! I've seen two cosmetic surgeons about having a face and neck lift but neither would do it.

Both suggested having fillers in my laughter lines and botox in my forehead and think about the facelift again after the age of 45.

well each to their own
I'm really glad that non invasive anti aging treatments/procedures are available at a time when I'm able to take advantage of them.
and I'll be first in the queue for the fountain of youth when it arrives

OP I don't understand how you can go from not using any creams because you dislike chemicals to having your face injected with fillers.

Very often a neglected face will really benefit from the introduction of a good skincare regime. Fillers seems to be a bit of an extreme starting point.

I'm pretty vain but I can't see myself going down the botox and fillers route. I don't think it makes people look younger and fresher, just shiny and immobile. Nicole Kidman has access to the best surgeons in the world and even she just looks like a caricature of her former self.

I'd also turn down a pill that made me look 30 when I'm 80. That's John Wyndham territory. Creepy.