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MMXV (2015, twenty fifteen) : Here Come The Crepeys!

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CointreauVersial · 28/12/2014 18:21

More crepey wisdom.....

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Auriga · 08/01/2015 23:10

No need to feel sorry for the consultant MI, those all sound like helpful questions and clarifying statements. It must be helpful to your DM as well as the doctor, having you there to do this for her.

I wouldn't try to shield her from hard news, in fact if she hasn't seemed to take it in I'd be looking for backup from the team to go through it with her again.

IME, if people are not ready to face up to something, they will manage to 'forget' it or block it out no matter how many times you tell them. But she may be more than ready, in fact she may have (probably has) imagined even worse, as I'm sure you have too.

Sorry you are going through this. It ought to make me reflect with a more mature perspective on my struggles with DM and her passive-aggressive games but sadly it doesn't.

MrsSchadenfreude · 09/01/2015 00:00

When my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer, he did not want to know and did not take it in, and neither did my mother. He had been rushed into hospital with very high levels of calcium in his blood. They did some tests and x rays and then told them what they had found, and that they would be keeping him in hospital only until they had sorted out the calcium in his blood - he would then go home and the palliative care team would be in touch. He was told, gently, but very clearly, that he had, at best, months, and at worst, weeks. Did he, or my mother, have any questions.

Yes, said my Dad. Once I've got the calcium levels back to normal, I can just go home, is that it? No more hospital treatment? He wanted to know if he would still be able to drive, go on holiday in a couple of months. He absolutely did not take it in. The doctor tried again. He said my Dad could be at home, until such time as his condition deteriorated, and then he could go into a hospice. Dad asked if the stay in the hospice would just be for a few days, until he was back on his feet. He and my mother just refused to believe what they were being told, could not accept that a) he had cancer b) that it was terminal. They just repeated over and over again, that once the calcium levels were back to normal, which was "just one of those things that happens" that he would be able to come home and life would go back to normal.

No matter what the doctor said, how he phrased it, the message just did not go in. Right up to the day before he died, my Dad was saying about looking forward to getting better, going on holiday, wouldn't tell my Mum the pin number to the cash card "I'll get some cash out in a couple of days when I'm feeling a bit better." My Mum got the message - it was drummed into her by her GP and the Macmillan nurse while I was there. Inevitably, her first words were "But what am I going to do if he dies?"

I'm sorry, MI, that's not terribly helpful - I just wanted to illustrate that my Dad really did not want to know, and maybe your Mum's lack of research points to her feeling the same way? My Gran, in contrast, did want to know all the options and made the decision to go ahead with the operation and to have the bag, even though she knew it would be difficult, and was well for another ten years.

And Molly is right - it does become your dilemma.

hattymattie · 09/01/2015 07:04

I'm sorry about those with ailing parents. With regard to not wanting to know, I can imagine myself doing this. I think sometimes if we face up to the enormity of something it can be too much for us. To stay mentally positive like Mrs S's Dad is probably a built in coping mechanism.

Herbs - has your DM never seen the FAST advert on TV for symptoms of stroke?

With regard to DD - we are bouncing between neurologist and cardioligist. DF says she needs an echo cardiogram. DD has phoned her GP in England and has an appointment for Monday - they say they can set up an echo easily. So - in this instance the good old NHS is winning out. The problem in France is you can easily see a consultant but you are never very sure how good they actually are. Also, because it's a semi private system - I think they may do unnecessary procedures and orient you towards their friends rather than the best possible person for the job.

bigTillyMint · 09/01/2015 07:23

So sorry to hear about the parental woes. It is a difficult and scary time for all involved.

Herbs, I amShock by your DM's reaction to your DF's stroke. Do you think she is too tired/worn down/worried about what will happen next to react faster and more appropriately?
It made me wonder if my DM may have had more mini-strokes despite being on meds. I (and possibly no-one else) would ever know as she lives on her own 200 miles away.

Hatty, glad your DF can advise. I agree, the system in France seems a bit bonkers - even my French friends think this at times - and designed to make everything into a huge investigation costing £££. Glad to hear the NHS are stepping up!

TGIF!

Rosebag · 09/01/2015 07:30

Wise words from auriga MrsS and Hatty. Best wishes to you and DM, MI. DM will find her own way...like most of us, I guess with a mixture of reality and denial. Sorry the surgery has to be so radical. Thanks

herbs similarly hope your DD recovers and that there are no further complications. I glad he got to hospital in time in the end.

hatty hope DDs appointments in here go smoothly. It sounds like you have it all in hand!

In trivial news my metallic leather converse high tops arrived from Amazon and they're too small. Bleurgh!

hattymattie · 09/01/2015 07:57

QQ - just realised its D Day for your DS - fingers crossedSmile.

Blackduck · 09/01/2015 08:25

MI was hoping your dad might step up to the plate - mine has although I know he finds it tough and frustrating. Sorry what they are talking about is so radical.

QQ fingers crossed.

Good thing ds's watch randomly beeps at 7.15 or he'd have been late for school - I was dead to the world......

RudyMentary · 09/01/2015 08:38

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herbaceous · 09/01/2015 08:38

Poor mum. It's not as bad as I had made out. His droopiness and slurring passed quite quickly, so she thought it wasn't a stroke and they both went to bed. But during the night she thought she should get him checked out.

But yes - I think she's in denial about how bad he is now getting. Every time I see him there's a bit less of 'him' there, and his eyesight is very bad. Because the stubborn old goat won't get his cataract done. And he can't hear much, because the SOG won't wear his hearing aid. This also means he doesn't get much external stimulus, so seems to be disappearing into himself.

Being immature, I find this very hard to cope with, so seem to have grown a thick crust over my emotions and just get angry with him. Occasionally the crust will crack, and hot sadness and grief come out.

RudyMentary · 09/01/2015 08:44

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motherinferior · 09/01/2015 10:22

Herbs, I get you on the immaturity. I just feel angry and sulky at them for getting old and frail.

To be fair to my own mum, she is capable of taking it all in, and willing to do so, she just doesn't want to do the stuff that involves looking things up (like googling the word 'stoma'). My dad is just being pathetic. And I should be sympathetic but I'm NOT.

QQ, thumbs clutched here.

motherinferior · 09/01/2015 10:24

Am currently yielding to my recurrent addiction to Mary Coughlan. As a fellow drunk redhead. And addiction prompted by DD1 singing 'I'd rather go blind' - she appears to be listening to Etta James Shock

Rosebag · 09/01/2015 10:45

Everything crossed for QQ's DS today.

I suppress all my anger about DParents and take it out on DH Hmm.

Rudy embrace the dressiness, I say…can you do a link?

I have replaced the Converse Hi Tops with Sainsbos ripoffs (Still in the bag...Yet to be tried on.)

NUFC69 · 09/01/2015 10:48

It won't get any easier for your DDad, either, MI. I am afraid my DM was totally blinkered and didn't tell anyone else that she had a lump and then it was too late. Crying while I type this. I still resent that she was taken so young (50s) and didn't meet her GC.

Sorry to hear about your DDad, Herbs. Hopefully he will be monitored now.

Good luck for your DS today, QQ.

DH and I are going into Newcastle to check out the sales at JL and Fenwick's. I don't really need anything, but just fancy something new which is probably a disaster waiting to happen.

Oh, and I hope all goes well with your DD's tests, Hatty.

wordassociationfootball · 09/01/2015 13:14

That's so sad NU.

bigTillyMint · 09/01/2015 13:29

NUFlowers

It must be really hard for the ageing spouse of someone who is failing. Having spent their lives together - I'm not sure how I would cope if it was DH.

Rudy, linky! And Rose, that sounds like a result! In fact Rudy's Hush purchases prompted me to check out the Hush sale, and I have ordered this having been looking for something similar for ages!

Fingers crossed QQ

motherinferior · 09/01/2015 13:54

NU Flowers

I am quite sure if and when I get ill DP will be badgering everyone with Good Ideas that, er, aren't Grin.

hattymattie · 09/01/2015 13:58

NU - that so sad - the same thing happened to my mothers best friend. I think now we have much more publicity about this sort of thing and are more inclined to consult rather than keep a stiff upper lip. I am such a coward I would rush immediately to the doctor.

Meanwhile, more shootings here - near where DH works - I've told him to get back early. The place is turning into a war zone where every random psychopath with a gun seems to be taking pot shots.Sad

QueenQueenie · 09/01/2015 14:03

Hi lovelies,
Sorry to hear of all the worrying aged Ps. I'm (touch wood) lucky to have a ddad who is very chipper ... not so lucky to have a d?mum who pretty much ignores me (see earlier post about her Christmas greetings via the medium of txt message..

Thanks for good wishes for ds1. Letters posted today so should drop through the letterbox tomorrow... Shock

MontserratCaballe · 09/01/2015 14:07

Oh, NU my darling, so sorry. It is so unfair to lose your mum so young Flowers

Hatty, am so sorry things are so turbulent in Paris at the moment. Am thinking of you all very much. Take care XXX

Crossing everything for youngQQ.

MontserratCaballe · 09/01/2015 14:08

Lots of "so" in that post. Must proofread better Smile

Blackduck · 09/01/2015 14:21

Hatty hope dh okay - all a bit worrying and scary.....

NU that is very sad. I have a fried in her late 30s who is facing the fact her mum is unlikely to be around for much longer - it's a tough one.

Here the wfh has been most unproductive. My brain is porridge at the moment. I have decided beating myself up about this state of affairs is not going to help so I will do the things I can focus on and park the rest until Monday......

motherinferior · 09/01/2015 14:40

hell, I just deleted yesterday's work off a memory stick. Hope it'll not take long to redo Angry

lalsy · 09/01/2015 15:37

NU, Flowers. I would give so, so much for my df to have met ds and dd.

MI, the not knowing how much to tell/know is very hard - I think when the outcome is uncertain (in a good way), some people may prefer not to know too much and think too much, as that way statistical torment lies, hope is so important to us all, and perhaps decisions are as much instinct as anything else??? It sounds like there are options, and variants, and different outcomes, so your dm doesn't yet know what she is coming to terms with - and maybe it makes sense for her do what the medics suggest and know that you will be finding the important stuff out, in those circumstances? Does that make any sense? Tough on you.

Hatty, just awful. I too am thinking about this all very much.

On a more trivial note, I hate losing work and have finally trained myself to use two (ii, 2) cloud storage systems so everything is saved online every time I save it. it is fab.

My Hush order came today. Gorgeous. First time I have used them so thank you.

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