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As we AVIDly await the joys of spring and the new fashion finds that it will bring, we WISEly contemplate our winter buys and return all goods that are unkind to the eyes

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macmama · 25/01/2011 16:46

Couldn't resist!

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Bonsoir · 28/01/2011 10:11

I think that sharing your personal family space with servants inevitably has an effect on the way your family behaves and inhibits intimacy. I think it's probably good for public/externally validated/professional success though.

notyummy · 28/01/2011 10:17

Ladies, just popping in to ask your advice of a non A and W nature. As a bunch of wise mothers I thought you offer some perspective. I have just found out that a friend of mine is pregnant and will def be having the baby. Her bf has left her and cut off all contact. She is financially comfortable, but has a high pressure job with v long hours. She is a highly intelligent lady but has no experience at all to do with babies, and has little relationship with her parents (no siblings.) I think she feels overwhelmed and adrift. I have written a long email trying to think about what I could say to her. Could you tell me if you think the text below is Ok or does it sound odd? (Apologies for length!)

'I have been musing over your thrilling news since last Friday and I am so excited for you. It is a huge challenge, but I know from personal experience just how amazing it can be. You have been so successful at so many things in your life up until now, and that strength will serve you well now.

I tried to think of some 'words of wisdom' and then rapidly realised that I am about as far from an 'all knowing guru' as you can get...I am not YOU and cannot live your life for you, so in the end all I came up with is a set of questions that I think will need to be answered fairly quickly, given you are soon to be a mum!

  1. You have a legal obligation to tell your employers within the next couple of months(as I am sure you have looked up by now.) www.yourlegalrights.co.uk/employment/maternity-rights This site gives a useful summary. Questions around this area are:

Do you want to return to work?
If so, do you want to return to this job?
Do you want to ask for part-time/reduced hours, which they are legally obliged to consider?

Obviously, if you decide to return to work, then you will need to source childcare. You will have plenty of time on maternity leave to arrange that (nanny etc), however if it is going to involve any sort of nursery, then you will probably need to book a place NOW, (seriously!) as good nurseries fill up very quickly. OFSTED will obviously have inspection reports for local nurseries. You can also post a question on Mumsnet (see below...)asking for opinions on nurseries.

  1. Practical and emotional support when the baby is born. This is a really amazing, exciting time, but it is physically pretty tough, and the sleep deprivation etc can make things seem demanding.

Who do you want there during the birth?
Who can help you during the initial stages after taking the baby home?

You can hire a doula, whose role is to support you during the birth, and visit for some weeks after and help you with any jobs you need. Alternatively you can hire a maternity nurse who can help you for the nighttime for the first few weeks - you will still be waking up if breastfeeding, but they can settle the baby staright afterwards to maximise your sleep, and they are also experienced at settling the baby into a routine.

Another option is to consider what friends and family can do. I know that relations with you family are not always easy, and I suppose the question here is whether at such a stressful and vulnerable time you think they will make things easier or not for you? I know you have several good friends in the London area and you may need to have them on stand-by to help. In addition, I will say right now that I will be happy to help in any way I can. First births are generally pretty slow, so I could be with you within a couple of hours to support you in labour if that is what you wanted - equally, I am happy to come and stay for 2/3 nights to help out when you get home and do what is needed, whether that means allowing you to get an hours sleep - or loading the dishwasher!

  1. I am sure there are a million and one questions swirling around in your head right now. There are two organisations/sources of information that I would really, really recommend:

National Childbirth Trust: www.nct.org.uk/home. It is obviously easy to read up on the mechanics of birth and breastfeeding. What NCT classes do is to introduce you to a bunch of people from your local area who are all having babies within a similar period. Please don't underestimate how weird it is being at home with a small baby on your own when you are used to the structure and adult interaction work gives you. Frankly, I found this harder than labour!! I met up regularly with the women I met via the classes (most of whom were professional working women), and 5 years on I am still in regular touch with them all - and now would now call one of them one of my best friends. It is well worth it.

Mumsnet: www.mumsnet.com/ . The name sounds really naff, I know. However this is a HUGE source of advice. There will DEFINITELY be people on this board who have been in exactly the same situation as you i.e prospective single parent working in a high pressure finance role. I would really urge you to join (its free and takes minutes) and post a question asking for advice about how people in your situation have made things work.

Phew! I think that is my 'first draft' of downloading my initial thoughts for you. I really hope none of this comes across as patronizing - I was just trying to put myself in your shoes, but also doing it from the the perspective of someone who has had a baby, and thinking about what you may need.

I am seriously happy to help in anyway and I can, and am already getting excited about having a cuddle from your beautiful baby! I have deliberately not got involved in relationship advice here, as I am even less qualified there. From what you have told me, it sounds like at the moment you need to focus on yourself and you baby....anything else will be what it will be, but I think if we focus on you and that bump at the moment, then we won't go far wrong.

I really hope we can see and talk to each other soon.

Lots of love'

MarshaBrady · 28/01/2011 10:24

I am buying Blochs from Anna. But £10 delivery for 3 days, then returns to post office is annoying me!

I think the French family are so used to having a full time staff that I'm not sure if it did inhibit relationships with eachother. Although I am not close enough to know. But my brother was surprised at the relationship they had with the life-long hker (the fetching stuff, naturally asking for things to be done etc). I mean they are lawyers/professionals but that one dynamic hasn't changed.

Doctors changed to Monday!

NY your email is fine I think.

Bonsoir · 28/01/2011 10:33

notyummy - I am sure you have an awful lot of useful, kind and supportive things to say to your friend. I would tread carefully writing too much down, as it is quite complex. Can you not just invite her over for lunch or something, and chat about things?

reallygrumpy · 28/01/2011 10:37

Thanks marsha I'm usually a 39, sometimes a 40 so I've ordered the 40 and hopefully they'll be fine. Agree the delivery charges are ££!

notyummy I think the email is fine and the practical advice is v helpful

pickledsiblings · 28/01/2011 10:37

NY, your email is very comprehensive and you are such a good friend to have considered your friend's situation in such depth. Could I suggest that you drip feed her the information over a period of time as it may be overwhelming all at once. You could end your first email by telling her that you have more information if she would like it.

Also, it may be useful for her to go through the process of coming up with questions to which you could provide answers, DYKWIM?

She what others on here think, as my advice to you may be totally off the mark Smile.

pickledsiblings · 28/01/2011 10:39

Last line should read 'see', not 'she'

MarshaBrady · 28/01/2011 10:41

I ordered the 40, better be ok! I got the silver metallic ones. Which ones did you get reallyg?

hf128219 · 28/01/2011 10:44

NY Lots of good advice there but will it be wanted?

I remember when I found out I was pregnant. DH was in Afghan and I went to stay with friends for the weekend. There was a dinner party and everyone else already had children.

The chat of my pregnancy dominated the whole evening. It was all talk of doom and gloom about responsibilities, sleepless nights, the endless grind etc. I went to bed in tears.

I know this is not about me though!

I just think you need to tread quite carefully around her family issues and relationship.

Maybe just have a good chat with her instead? But I do agree she needs to get a nursery place sorted out ASAP!!

Smile
notyummy · 28/01/2011 10:50

Thanks for your thoughts ladies! The problem at the moment is that she wont see or talk (even on the phone)to anyone. She says she just wants 'information to think about', which makes the talking/lunch thing really tricky. She lives quite some distance away as well, so I cant just pop over and try and catch her off guard for a hug and a chat.

Think you are completely right about the amount of stuff there though - it is too long!! She has been very open about her situation re her bf and family, so I think I am ok there. Will have a re-draft and cut a load of stuff out.

blossoming · 28/01/2011 10:55

I think it's fine notyummy. Maybe mention at the start that she should print off a copy and dip into it when necessary!
Good luck with your ebaying hf! I've run out of stuff which is why I need a job!

hf128219 · 28/01/2011 10:56

NY Even send her a text saying 'I know you have a lot to think about but I am so happy for you. If there is anything I can help with, on a practical basis, or just general advice, in these early days, please phone Smile We need to catch up properly anyway. X

PlumSykes · 28/01/2011 11:09

NY, it is a wonderful email and you are a wonderful and supportive friend, but agree is too long. At this stage, all she needs to know is to go and see GP to set ball rolling with scans, midwife etc. Everything else can wait. Except perhaps a remedy for am sikcness, just in case.

I have a friend who used to live a sprint-in-slippers away and now lives 200+ miles away. She has just announced her 3rd pregnancy so I have been and bought some pretty postcards to send her, once a week, with a 'thinking of you message', or perhaps a 'this week your baby is the size of a peapod, but has a full head of hair' type facts. I hate that she's not here, as we were so much a part of each others previous pregnancies, but this will make me feel that I am still in touch, and better than text/email, I think.

Romanholiday · 28/01/2011 11:14

ny it's fine, but I wouldn't send it - people can react in funny ways to advice. I'd send a short email saying 'congratulations - I thought you might find some of these weblinks useful: , call me if you'd like to chat about anything to do with birth and babies, I'd be flattered'

hf128219 · 28/01/2011 11:32

Plum Lovely idea re the postcards.

Bloss I am ebaying baby stuff. I have tons of it! Then I am going to move on to household stuff. Dishwasher, washing maching, fridge, freezer etc - all Bosch, all great condition.

Have also just been out to the garage - oh, what a lot of stuff to sell! Grin

Then I may consider my wardrobe.

PlumSykes · 28/01/2011 12:03

MrsJ, I take it back about the Blochs. Just seen them in store, I think the colour is weirdly fleshy, like doll's limbs.

blossoming · 28/01/2011 12:09

hf, how will you take your appliances to the post office?

hf128219 · 28/01/2011 12:11

Bloss Borrow a tank from dh Grin

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FritziGreenEyes · 28/01/2011 12:13

notyummy What a good friend you are! Think your e-mail is very comprehensive and helpful but agree with others that it might be a bit overwhelming at this stage. Would be so much easier if you could just meet her and have a chat.

plum I love the weekly postcard for your pregnant friend.

zembo Hope your are ok and have no more pain!

marsha I can just imagine how that belt would brighten up all those grey winter clothes, wow!

mrsjuan · 28/01/2011 12:15

Glad you've seen them in the 'flesh' plum - I think I would have got them yesterday if I really liked them so it was probably wise to avoid.

Agree it's a good email NY but prob best to drip feed the info rather than overloading. What a thoughtful friend you are! Wish someone had sent me something like that & I'm not a single parent.

Trying desperately to clean my house today - it is a lovely day and the sun shows up every speck of dust. DD is intent on making more mess than I can clean though so may give up and go and enjoy the sun instead.

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FritziGreenEyes · 28/01/2011 12:17

Hi emo! I love Blochs and think they are true to size.

hf Well done on the avid ebay listing! Hope everything sells well! I sold some things through a clothes agency and got some money last week. I had totally forgotten about it, so it was a nice surprise.

FritziGreenEyes · 28/01/2011 12:19

mrsjuan Drop the mop and bucket and enjoy the sunshine! It is Friday, yay!

PlumSykes · 28/01/2011 12:20

What size are you MrsJ? I'll ahve a look in TK's next time I'm in, and see what they have.

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