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WWYD - ex-wife and husband funeral

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TuxedoMoggy · 30/10/2024 11:59

Not me, but posting on behalf of a good friend who knows I am doing so.

Friend’s DH recently passed away. Friend was second wife, was not OW. Is SM to her late DH’s 2 DC who are in their early-mid twenties, and both have partner / long term gf/bf.

The WWYD is about the funeral - her SDC want their mum, the late DH’s exW, to come. Friend would rather exW did not - exW caused lots of trouble when SDC were younger, was difficult to communicate with, tried to turn kids against their Dad, repeatedly messed up agreed arrangements etc. exW ended the marriage following an affair that she had (SDC don’t know this).

My friend’s late DH did his best to rise above exW nonsense and never let on to his DC how hard their mum was making things, didn’t create difficulties or call out her lies in front of the kids. So they don’t know how hard she made things. Once they were out of school things got better as he could communicate with them on their own terms and therefore had very little interaction with his ex for the last few years.

So now sadly he has died and there is a possible conflict as the SDC have talked about wanting their mum coming to the funeral. She’s the last person my friend wants there. But she knows that although she is the widow and NOK, executor etc so probably gets to call the shots, the kids are also bereaved and have rights and feelings about being supported at the funeral. They do have their partners though.

She’s really torn about what to do or how to do it - she gets on relatively well with the SDC but their mum was always on a pedestal for them, she can’t (and wouldn’t expect to) compete but it’s not an easy thing to broach with them of course if she were to say no to the exW coming.

any thoughts very welcome please.

OP posts:
Marblesbackagain · 30/10/2024 16:16

ShowmetheBotox · 30/10/2024 15:58

Can’t help it with your - ‘me kid come before anyone’ bs.

My child always will come before anyone. I defy you to find a mother that says otherwise.

It is very sad that your mother for whatever reason didn't make you feel that.

BirthdayRainbow · 30/10/2024 16:20

Your friend doesn't get to call the shots as executor. Funerals are a free for all in that anyone can go. The thought that anyone thinks they can tell someone they can't go to their parents funeral is an anathema to me.

SemperIdem · 30/10/2024 16:23

BirthdayRainbow · 30/10/2024 16:20

Your friend doesn't get to call the shots as executor. Funerals are a free for all in that anyone can go. The thought that anyone thinks they can tell someone they can't go to their parents funeral is an anathema to me.

The friend isn’t saying the children can’t attend their fathers funeral. Her issue is with the ex wife.

Darker · 30/10/2024 16:29

If the situation arises I would go to my ex partner’s funeral, he was a big part of my life. But I’d stay in the shadows and if my kids really didn’t want me there I would stay away without rancour.

theemptinessmachine · 30/10/2024 16:39

I am a second wife and in this case I would invite first wife to the event. She has a bond with her children which would maybe help them at this time. They divorced before I met him and despite her weirdness at times I would invite.

VivaDixie · 30/10/2024 16:44

I haven't RTFT but this caused a massive rift in DHs family.

He and his DB wanted his DM at his DF funeral - his 'D'SM kicked up a massive fuss and told them beforehand (via the family jungle drums) that she wasnt welcome. It was awful, DMIL was understandably upset.

It's still talked about 8 years later - even amongst DFIL's sisters who felt that DMIL should have been allowed to go - and support her sons. SM has now distanced herself from the family.

Don't be that person - if ExW wants to pay her respects (and can be trusted to do so) then let her.

Soontobe60 · 30/10/2024 16:50

When my DF died, not only did his ex, my DM, come to the funeral but so too did her 2nd husband.
OP, just think - are there any grandchildren yet? If so, do they see you as their grandma along with their parent’s DM? Are you willing to risk the relationship you currently have with your stepchildren?

sunflowersngunpowdr · 30/10/2024 17:16

I doubt it went down the way your 'friend' told you and the fact that she is considering not allowing her deceased husbands children's mother at the funeral (to support them if nothing else) tells me all I need to know about this friend of yours. And people wonder why this wicked stepmother trope won't go away.

WearyAuldWumman · 30/10/2024 17:57

OP, please pass my condolences to your friend.

You won't want to pass all this info to your friend, but my experience has shown me that a manipulative person will continue to manipulate so I'm glad that she has you there to support her.

I've said upthread that my DH left his ex after he found out she'd spent the night with her younger Affair Partner.

She convinced the kids that their friendship had eventually blossomed into love. Easy for her to do - they weren't at home when the "friend" was visiting. Yes, I got my husband's side of the story, but others then corroborated this.

By the time the AP died (rather suddenly), the kids were into their 40s. Naturally, the kids attended to support their mother. They sat down the front of the crematorium chapel with her and the AP's siblings. Mutual friends who attended told my husband this. What my husband didn't expect was that the friends queried why he hadn't attended that funeral. (By that point, the ex was behaving in a civilised manner with my husband - less so with me.)

He told me that his baffled response was "I hated the man!"

The next partner (acquired about a year after the death of the AP) was a widower who was also a friend of my husband's. Thanks to him, the relationships all round became less strained, though the ex was still adept at throwing barbs in my direction when no one else could hear.

When the widower died, he and the ex had been living together for a few years and I genuinely felt sorry for her - to the extent of offering to drive her to and from hospital when she had an outpatient op. (To my knowledge, the kids hadn't offered.) I recall feeling a bit uneasy when I discovered that she'd put my name down as her next of kin at the hospital.

My husband and I attended the widower's funeral. DH was ill by then, so I had to do the driving.

To our surprise, the ex and the kids sat halfway back through the congregation. The DIL told me that the ex had been treated shamefully. The widower's children and grandchildren had "refused" to have her named as the widower's "partner" in the funeral notice, only agreeing to "companion". So upset was the funeral director, that he'd unilaterally changed it to "loving companion". [Something didn't add up about that, I later realised - it was the ex who'd dealt with the funeral director. The widower had known that he was dying and had organised and prepaid his own funeral. However, according to the ex, it was she who had signed off the arrangements.] We were given to understand that the ex had been denied a place at the front of the funeral chapel.

After the funeral, one of the widower's daughters came up to me: "I don't know what to do with that woman - we offered her a place up the front, but she wouldn't take it!" She was about to say more, but just then the ex and the kids came up to us.

Less than a year later, the ex had acquired another friend. Immediately prior to my husband's funeral, I was being told that the ex was "devastated". A handful of days after the funeral, the kids were referring to the new friend as their mother's "partner".

I think that what I'm trying to say is that it's very easy for people to believe the wicked stepmother trope but - believe it or not - there are some wicked mothers out there too. They might well be women who wouldn't think of harming their children, but they'll think nothing of riding roughshod over anyone else to get their own way and promulgate their own narrative.

I don't want to go on and on about my experience, but - to sum up - the OP's friend is stuck between a rock and a hard place. She'll have to allow the ex to attend the funeral to keep the peace, but I hope that the OP will have a group of friends ready to head off trouble at the pass.

I found out after my husband's funeral that my cousins were ready to do the needful for me if there was trouble. My husband's nephew was also there and ready to help. Fortunately, they didn't have to step in.

WearyAuldWumman · 30/10/2024 18:12

Re: the adult offspring wanting their mother at the funeral. This might be the case, but don't rule out manipulation.

After my husband died, I was told by one of his kids that they couldn't attend the funeral but would like their mother to represent them if I didn't object.

I later had a telephone conversation with my husband's DIL, in which she told me that the idea of the ex attending "to represent" them had actually come from the ex herself. (The DIL's experience of the ex was rather more akin to my own.)

CovertPiggery · 30/10/2024 18:33

ViaBlue · 30/10/2024 15:50

If my DHs ex wanted to attend his funeral he would be furious. She coused him so much harm that even if their child wanted her there he absolutely would not.

If ex is toxic she will go to cause drama and issues for his wife and not to support the adult children.

This.

If I was in this situation, I'd explain to the kids that their Dad wouldn't want their Mum to be there because she had been so unkind to him.

CovertPiggery · 30/10/2024 18:37

TuxedoMoggy · 30/10/2024 13:11

Thanks all - just to be clear again that this isn’t me but my friend, who is grieving and devastated and working her way through her new reality. So the sense check is helpful as I didn’t think she could really say no to exW attending the funeral (and agree this would only create issues with the SDC and be unfair to them) but I agree that a compromise of not coming to the wake might be ok.

I can be the wingman at keeping things in check if needed. I suspect / hope that in reality even if exW does come to the wake she and the SDC will take a corner and not mingle. But there will be people exW knows so I imagine my friend is worried that somehow exW will be chatting away with old mates etc rather than doing the decent thing and keeping a low profile.

Funny how people assume that if someone ever cheated they will be forever shunned. I’ve known quite a few couples split up because of cheating and after the initial shock wears off the reality is that the adulterer isn’t actively removed from society! And no one is rude enough to comment or gossip openly at events where previous partners pop up. I imagine for many people her affair isn’t common knowledge - not everyone announces a separation by also telling everyone that someone cheated!

I've been at a funeral in a very similar situation and loads of people came up to me and were disgusted about the cheater and the bare faced cheek of them being there.

I didn't realise how many people knew until that point and I don't think Cheater did either.

Darker · 30/10/2024 18:43

I would never comment on the appropriateness of someone else attending a funeral - I can’t condone cheating or any similar behaviour but it’s none of my damned business! People fuck up. Shit happens. Doesn’t mean they are not allowed to say goodbye.

NeedToAskPlease · 30/10/2024 19:16

Chewbecca · 30/10/2024 13:04

Not quite the same situation but my DH's exW came to my MIL's funeral, even though they had been divorced for 25 years at that time. She was still her children's grandmother and was her own MIL for 15 years so I felt she had a 'place' there. I would have preferred she hadn't spent quite so long at the wake but it was not worth worrying about.

My ex in-laws are getting quite frail now and l would hope to have an invite to the funeral by the remaining spouse.... but... my exDH and his current wife, and l get on well.

I would probably not go to the wake and would leave it just for the immediate family, out of respect to my XH and his DW.

FlippyFloppyShoe · 30/10/2024 20:43

newbeggins · 30/10/2024 15:01

She can come to the funeral (nothing afterwards though) but it won't be your fault if a friend loudly makes a comment about how they're surprised to see her there considering the problems she caused for the deceased.

Also depends if the friend wants to continue a relationship with the DSC

That friend would be totally lacking in tact or class

FlippyFloppyShoe · 30/10/2024 20:47

Marblesbackagain · 30/10/2024 16:16

My child always will come before anyone. I defy you to find a mother that says otherwise.

It is very sad that your mother for whatever reason didn't make you feel that.

Should be the same for fathers too

Jk987 · 30/10/2024 20:50

One of their parents has died, prematurely at that. They deserve to have their mother there if that's what they want. Your friend cannot veto this! Does she want to alienate them?

WearyAuldWumman · 30/10/2024 20:56

FlippyFloppyShoe · 30/10/2024 20:43

That friend would be totally lacking in tact or class

Possibly, but it happens.

At my husband's funeral, I had to say goodbye to people in the car park (because of Covid regulations). I had a few of the people attending the funeral asking why my husband's adult children weren't there. (A letter from them was read out at the funeral.)

The answer was that one had been told to shield; the other had asthma. I can't recall whether anyone asked about the adult grandchild. (Their mother thought that the funeral might be triggering for them.)

TuxedoMoggy · 30/10/2024 21:08

I’ve replied already to say that this has been helpful. It’s good to get these perspectives as a framework to chat through with my friend, who understandably has a lot on her plate at the moment and is probably fixating on a thing that is out of her control given the pile of stuff she is having to sort out which is overwhelming but within her control largely.

She isn’t reading this thread (not on MN) and I’m pleased about that as some comments are pretty harsh given the circumstances. It was intended as a thinking-out-loud sort of a thread to help someone process a really difficult situation, and I don’t think some of the vitriol and heated position-taking is entirely necessary. Having a person who’s been nothing but awful to her and her late spouse turn up at her spouse’s funeral isn’t an easy thing to process.

OP posts:
WearyAuldWumman · 30/10/2024 21:28

TuxedoMoggy · 30/10/2024 21:08

I’ve replied already to say that this has been helpful. It’s good to get these perspectives as a framework to chat through with my friend, who understandably has a lot on her plate at the moment and is probably fixating on a thing that is out of her control given the pile of stuff she is having to sort out which is overwhelming but within her control largely.

She isn’t reading this thread (not on MN) and I’m pleased about that as some comments are pretty harsh given the circumstances. It was intended as a thinking-out-loud sort of a thread to help someone process a really difficult situation, and I don’t think some of the vitriol and heated position-taking is entirely necessary. Having a person who’s been nothing but awful to her and her late spouse turn up at her spouse’s funeral isn’t an easy thing to process.

You're a good friend, OP. Your friend will be absolutely poleaxed.

I recall screaming at the walls part of the time and trying to focus on putting the funeral together the rest of the time. With it being lockdown, I was on my own.

I remember struggling to organise my clothes for the funeral - after it was all over, I realised why my black shoes had seemed big on me...I'd worn black trousers and (I thought) an appropriate pair of shoes. They were my husband's.

This may not happen to your friend, but my husband's ex phoned after I'd said it was okay for her to go to the funeral. I'm hoping that your friend has someone with her, in case similar happens - if the phone is on 'speaker' then she could get back-up if she needs it.

I didn't realise exactly what was going on until after the call was over - the ex was good at seeming reasonable whilst sticking in the knife. I'm possibly overthinking things here, but I'm just remembering things that might be of relevance.

She kept telling me how she "admired" how I'd taken care of my husband and how she had made a point of telling everyone this. At some point, I actually got a condolence phone call from the ex's SIL (her brother's wife) - she'd passed on my number. I genuinely can't recall whether I agree to it or not. I don't know the woman.

I do remember quite clearly that the ex told me not to worry about "making mistakes" in the eulogy - only she would know! She also made a vague comment about passing on a card with some words which had "comforted" her and "might comfort" me. She put it through my door. It was a sympathy card that someone had sent to her. (Maybe it was meant for the kids.) The words were "Remembering happy times at [village where my husband and his first wife lived many years ago]." Utterly bizarre.

I'm hoping the ex that your friend is dealing with isn't as batsh*t crazy, but try to cover all eventualities for her. Sorry - I'm not trying to worry you, but you seem to think that she's a nasty piece of work, so better safe than sorry.

HolyStyleFailBatman · 30/10/2024 21:38

I haven't read the whole thread.

I entirely understand your friend's feelings, but agree that for the sake of the step kids the ex shouldn't be prevented from attending.

But I would put a note in the coffin, without telling anyone, explaining the situation and my reasoning to dh, exactly as I would if he was still alive, maybe make a few choice comments about the ex. Then, if I was stressed about the ex at the funeral, I would be able to glance at the coffin and know the note was there, like a private joke between my husband and I.

I hope that makes sense and doesnt sound completely deranged.

Hydenseek78 · 30/10/2024 22:17

It really annoys the life out of me when people say let them come to pay their respects, if they can't respect them while they are living they shouldn't when they're dead. It sounds like she was a horrible person to him when he was alive, yes the adult kids are grieving but they have partners and other family support, ops friend have lost her husband the person she loved most in the world and she's supposed to suck it up because other adults are grieving. Personally I wouldn't have her there. I would talk to the adult children and tell them how I feel and that I want to say goodbye to my husband peacefully. Would their dad want his ex there if he had planned his own funeral?

Fizzleaway1 · 30/10/2024 22:17

Personally I wouldn’t be inviting the ex. If my DH passes before me, his ex will not be welcome and as his wife I do get to call the shots.

You don’t get to treat someone like shit for years and then expect to be invited to the funeral regardless if the kids want her there.

banality101 · 30/10/2024 22:22

I would be fucking fuming if my XH came to my funeral.

Redburnett · 30/10/2024 22:25

I don't think you can stop someone attending a funeral, it is not 'invitation only'. Your friend needs to be prepared for the ex to attend, if the SDC persuade her to.

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