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DSD sleeping in our bed

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Emotionalmama · 01/05/2023 11:58

from the outset just want to put it out there that me and DH’s ex do not get on at all but I get on exceptionally well with their daughter (4). She stays with us every other weekend and her mother always always always has something to complain about when she stays, mostly lies to be brutally honest. DSD stayed last weekend and got into our bed between me and DH and her mother has went mental saying it’s in appropriate for her to stay with me and DH. i didn’t think twice of it, I’m due our own baby in a few months so was a little bit of a squeeze but we all slept well and throughout the night. Is this inappropriate?

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hourbyhour101 · 02/05/2023 15:55

I think there seems to be this implied message that either

Your family of course you should be default unpaid childcare to mum and dads whims.

Or don't over step your boundaries- sit at the back of the wedding or ideally don't attend.

Whether people like it or not but the role a step parent plays depends very much on the child. And a lot of step parents do the ugly parts of parenting and often very much to get in their place at nice things (weddings, graduation ext)

So bizzare

pfftt · 02/05/2023 16:16

Got the love of all things holy MN why do you keep deleting my posts? This is in no way offensive. Just because Kiwi asks you to delete them doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

DSD sleeping in our bed
pfftt · 02/05/2023 16:18

MN please stop deleting inoffensive posts on the request of an angry person. None of my deleted posts are offensive. None of them are using profanities or calling names.

hourbyhour101 · 02/05/2023 16:36

@pfftt I think most people can realise that poster has been using fairly really offensive language.

You don't need to defend yourself here but honestly don't give it oxygen

pfftt · 02/05/2023 16:46

hourbyhour101 · 02/05/2023 16:36

@pfftt I think most people can realise that poster has been using fairly really offensive language.

You don't need to defend yourself here but honestly don't give it oxygen

Haha 😂 I'm not concerned about that poster. More that MN seems to delete completely inoffensive posts on request even if they break no rules. I used to see deleted posts and wonder what they contained. Now I know that they may well have contained nothing offensive or even interesting at all. My frustration is at the ease in which people in the wrong can get inoffensive posts deleted. Kind of details threads in the end

RedTulipsSpring · 02/05/2023 17:09

The deleted posts are also really annoying when you’re trying to follow the conversation.

midnightblue12 · 02/05/2023 20:18

@Kiwisarenotjustfruit just wanted to say I absolutely agree with your post your made at 15:01 (I can't quote it for some reason!!).
You absolutely hit the nail on the head!

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 03/05/2023 15:17

When people say non-biological, it makes me think of laundry detergents 😂Enough already!

KatMansfield6 · 04/05/2023 12:45

I find this thread mystifying. DsCs mother can’t control what goes on with her DC when they are with their father (with the exception of abuse etc). She can raise concerns but that’s it. When you separate as parents you lose control — that is one of the serious consequences of family breakdown. It’s hard and uncomfortable but inevitable.

Threads like this reveal why it’s absolutely impossible to be a SM, and why relationships with DSCs mums can be so fraught. When my DSC are with us, we function as a family unit. How damaging to them would it be if I continually drew distinctions between them and our own children? I’m not going to make tea for my DC but not DSC, I’m not going to hug my DC but not DSC, I’m not going to refuse to babysit half of them when my DH (occasionally) is away/out for the evening. SMS parent not because they are weird people overstepping boundaries but because when you have SC in your household you have to parent them, it’s simply not practical to do otherwise.

Ive been with my husband for years now — the idea that my role is analogous to that of a professional at school or a random babysitter is ridiculous. Mothers might wish that was the case but it just isn’t. I spend every weekend with my step children — we have a relationship. I’m
not their mum but I’m not just a random adult either. I think Mums understandably get jealous, but it is up to them to control that impulse. A good relationship with their SM is absolutely essential to SCs wellbeing, as is a sense of being welcome in their Dads home, and treated equally to the children who live there permanently.

I have moved jobs, cities to facilitate my husbands relationship with his kids. They have affected every single stage of our relationship, every single stage of our lives. My life is so much more exhausting and complicated because I am a SM. But I’m kind, I’m accommodating, we put their needs first because they are children, we work hard to build up a family unit under less than ideal circumstances.

On the topic of co-sleeping — I would hate this so it wouldn’t happen. I’m fairly strict and value our space as a couple. However, our SC while in primary always came into our bed in a Saturday/Sunday morning. I didn’t love it, tbh but it wasn’t inappropriate — we were dressed, my DH was there. There’s surely much more risk when SC are left alone with their SM? And many parents leave their kids alone with completely unrelated adults for various reasons (babysitting, clubs, sleepovers). We’re a family — that’s obviously so different to how I’d relate to children in my professional care. I respect my SCs boundaries but equally I’m not going to reject them when they come for a hug, or want to be with my DH in the morning.

When there are kids involved break ups have consequences — and one of these is potential step parents. If you don’t want this don’t have children with someone you don’t want to be with long term, or don’t split up. My DHs ex wife left when my younger SC was 18 months. I find it totally mystifying — why did they choose to have him when they knew their relationship was on the rocks? Why did she leave when she finds my presence so hard?

FuckOffThen · 04/05/2023 15:52

Aren't all these comments about mum not liking it so that's that kind of redundant? If dad is fine with it, its his house and his choice surely. She doesn't get more of a say than him just because she's the girls mother.

Lachimolala · 13/05/2023 20:24

I mean you’ve done nothing wrong technically, but can you really not see it from any other perspective? As a mother and ex CP SW I wouldn’t be at all happy about one of my children in the same bed as an unrelated adult. I’ve worked on too many blended family cases where bed sharing was the trigger, the ‘door opener’ if you will to abuse.

No matter how strained our co-parenting relationship I would expect him to respect and understand that boundary.

Menora · 13/05/2023 23:54

DSD sleeps in DP’s bed a lot. She often gets in when I am there. I was ok with this for a while but she is a thrasher so I now get out and go get in her bed so I can actually get any sleep 😴

JandalsAlways · 13/05/2023 23:58

Beamur · 01/05/2023 12:10

I can see from your perspective, it's harmless, but Mum isn't happy.
I think it's more about respecting certain boundaries as a step parent. Co sleeping is very intimate. I think I would be uncomfortable with my DD sharing a bed in this way too, despite (or maybe because) you get on so well.

I agree with this. In all honesty, I'd probably feel a bit sad and jealous about it

BSB30 · 14/05/2023 00:27

I'm a step mum and I wouldn't share a bed with my step son, even when he was a toddler. I just personally wouldn't find it appropriate as he is not my child and I wouldn't want to cause any issues with his mum.

GP75 · 15/05/2023 10:47

I'm sure you're lovely and a great step parent but only actual parents should ever co sleep, it's not appropriate for any other relative, whether it's a grandparent, step parent or anyone else no, matter how well you get on 🤷‍♀️

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 15:47

JandalsAlways · 13/05/2023 23:58

I agree with this. In all honesty, I'd probably feel a bit sad and jealous about it

Thats just tough, honestly. You feeling sad or jealous is completely irrelevant -- you don't get to control what happens in someone else's home because you are jealous or sad about it. I frankly don't care that my DSS mum is sad and jealous about the life and family I am building with my DH, DC and DSSs. And she is.

If I live with my DH, and share a bed with my DH, and my DSC is ill in the night, or wakes up with a nightmare, are you really expecting me to get out of bed and sleep on the sofa because of some imaginary paranoia or jealousy? Or to tell my DSC to get out of the room and cope on his own? This is NOT THE SAME as any other adult sleeping in the same bed. As far as I am aware, my DH doesn't habitually share his bed with anyone else (teachers, club leaders, grandparents, aunts or uncles), just with me. My SC end up sharing a bed with me on occasion because i am sharing a bed with my DH. It is just part of family life. As I said, we don't cosleep because I think it is totally ridiculous as a concept. But I also don't run off in some strange panic when my DSC come for reassurance from us when we are in bed.

Stepmothers are criticised whatever we do. We are criticised for being too distant or because we are crossing boundaries. We are criticised because we don't treat our DSC the same as our DC, or because we do treat them the same. It is completely unrealistic to demand that step mothers maintain quasi professional boundaries with their step children, particularly when this is combined with a demand that SC are treated the same as biological children.

Its ridiculous and really damaging. Many, many children are being brought up in homes where there is a step parent. Where that step parent is non-abusive and basically well intentioned, it is in the interest of the child that their role is respected. Constantly undermining stepmothers is sexist and it creates tensions in families which simply do not need to be there. My DSC would be so much better off if their mum didn't continually seek to damage and undermine our relationship because of the jealousy and immaturity which she shares with so many others commenting on this thread.

My children will not be brought up in a broken home. I have chosen my DH carefully, I am committed to being with him for life, and certainly until my DC leave home. Mothers share the responsibility of broken homes and broken families (unless there is abuse), and therefore share responsibility for the fact that there are stepmothers in your children's lives.

GP75 · 15/05/2023 16:04

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 15:47

Thats just tough, honestly. You feeling sad or jealous is completely irrelevant -- you don't get to control what happens in someone else's home because you are jealous or sad about it. I frankly don't care that my DSS mum is sad and jealous about the life and family I am building with my DH, DC and DSSs. And she is.

If I live with my DH, and share a bed with my DH, and my DSC is ill in the night, or wakes up with a nightmare, are you really expecting me to get out of bed and sleep on the sofa because of some imaginary paranoia or jealousy? Or to tell my DSC to get out of the room and cope on his own? This is NOT THE SAME as any other adult sleeping in the same bed. As far as I am aware, my DH doesn't habitually share his bed with anyone else (teachers, club leaders, grandparents, aunts or uncles), just with me. My SC end up sharing a bed with me on occasion because i am sharing a bed with my DH. It is just part of family life. As I said, we don't cosleep because I think it is totally ridiculous as a concept. But I also don't run off in some strange panic when my DSC come for reassurance from us when we are in bed.

Stepmothers are criticised whatever we do. We are criticised for being too distant or because we are crossing boundaries. We are criticised because we don't treat our DSC the same as our DC, or because we do treat them the same. It is completely unrealistic to demand that step mothers maintain quasi professional boundaries with their step children, particularly when this is combined with a demand that SC are treated the same as biological children.

Its ridiculous and really damaging. Many, many children are being brought up in homes where there is a step parent. Where that step parent is non-abusive and basically well intentioned, it is in the interest of the child that their role is respected. Constantly undermining stepmothers is sexist and it creates tensions in families which simply do not need to be there. My DSC would be so much better off if their mum didn't continually seek to damage and undermine our relationship because of the jealousy and immaturity which she shares with so many others commenting on this thread.

My children will not be brought up in a broken home. I have chosen my DH carefully, I am committed to being with him for life, and certainly until my DC leave home. Mothers share the responsibility of broken homes and broken families (unless there is abuse), and therefore share responsibility for the fact that there are stepmothers in your children's lives.

Am sure his first wife thought she'd chosen carefully as well 🤣😆

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 16:38

GP75 · 15/05/2023 16:04

Am sure his first wife thought she'd chosen carefully as well 🤣😆

She had an affair and left, which I wouldn't do (because it is immoral, I believe marriage is for life and I wouldn't choose my children to be brought up in a broken home because I am bored of my current relationship).

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 16:39

GP75 · 15/05/2023 16:04

Am sure his first wife thought she'd chosen carefully as well 🤣😆

What's more, my children are factually NOT being brought up in a broken home. She left when her youngest was 18 months old.

Changechangechanging · 15/05/2023 16:59

ODFOD with your 'broken home'. You have no idea what lies around the corner for you and your family.

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 17:14

Changechangechanging · 15/05/2023 16:59

ODFOD with your 'broken home'. You have no idea what lies around the corner for you and your family.

I am sorry for being offensive -- I love my husband but some of his children are being brought up by separated parents. I know that separation can happen because of addiction or abuse, or because of the unilateral decision of one parent.

Nevertheless, often parents choose to separate because of their own needs and desires, and the prioritisation of this over the wellbeing of their children. Divorce has much more significant consequences than we choose to admit. One of those consequences is stepmothers helping to bring up children. Mothers have to accept this when they have chosen to separate, and constant sniping at stepmothers is simply unfair. Where mothers have not chosen to separate, or where abuse or addiction has driven them to separation, I have much more sympathy.

Seeing the impact of divorce on my SC the vulnerability of their Mum and her emotional dependence on them, the disruption of being constantly shuttled between homes, the tension between their parents, the pain of seeing their half siblings have a happy, stable home life with both parents has left me absolutely determined to maintain my marriage at all costs.

freshstart99 · 15/05/2023 17:22

Again it's semantics.

I don't like bedsharing with my own children.

However mum and her feelings have zero to do with what goes on in dads house (baring abuse). That control is something you give up when you split.

It would be better for everyone if people just acted like adults.
Well at least people are upfront on this thread about their reasoning aka mums upset you should jump, rather than the usual put the kids first which is often code for mum says jump

I am a mum btw and my Dd has a sm

Changechangechanging · 15/05/2023 17:49

Divorce has much more significant consequences than we choose to admit

no shit Sherlock. That doesn’t mean that people need to be subjected to the constant moral superiority of the non-divorced shouting about ‘broken homes’. Fuck all broken in my home. We are anything but broken. We just don’t have a man living with us.

One of those consequences is stepmothers helping to bring up children

Erm…no. It’s not inevitable. And even where step mother do exist in name, many make a conscious choice not to be involved in the upbringing of their DSC for a whole host of reasons

constant sniping at stepmothers is simply unfair

but it’s not unfair that a mother should have to be told how to bring up her child by another woman, or have her children subjected to all kinds of abuse including that they are somehow ‘broken’ because their parents split up? Or indeed, not reasonable a mother should be uncomfortable that another person is sleeping in a bed with their child? My experience of step mothers is anything but positive. My children would likely tell you the same. They don’t ask to hear what a shit person I am, or how stupid I am, or how useless I am, do they?

Seeing the impact of divorce on my SC…has left me absolutely determined to maintain my marriage at all costs

at all costs? You have no idea what is round the corner, what you may be subjected to, what your children may be subjected to and what difficult decisions you may one day be forced to make. At all costs isn’t positive. There are plenty of marriages that need to end.

KatMansfield6 · 15/05/2023 18:07

Changechangechanging · 15/05/2023 17:49

Divorce has much more significant consequences than we choose to admit

no shit Sherlock. That doesn’t mean that people need to be subjected to the constant moral superiority of the non-divorced shouting about ‘broken homes’. Fuck all broken in my home. We are anything but broken. We just don’t have a man living with us.

One of those consequences is stepmothers helping to bring up children

Erm…no. It’s not inevitable. And even where step mother do exist in name, many make a conscious choice not to be involved in the upbringing of their DSC for a whole host of reasons

constant sniping at stepmothers is simply unfair

but it’s not unfair that a mother should have to be told how to bring up her child by another woman, or have her children subjected to all kinds of abuse including that they are somehow ‘broken’ because their parents split up? Or indeed, not reasonable a mother should be uncomfortable that another person is sleeping in a bed with their child? My experience of step mothers is anything but positive. My children would likely tell you the same. They don’t ask to hear what a shit person I am, or how stupid I am, or how useless I am, do they?

Seeing the impact of divorce on my SC…has left me absolutely determined to maintain my marriage at all costs

at all costs? You have no idea what is round the corner, what you may be subjected to, what your children may be subjected to and what difficult decisions you may one day be forced to make. At all costs isn’t positive. There are plenty of marriages that need to end.

Stepmothers do help to bring up children -- they always do. If I make tea I can't NOT make it for my SC. If I go out for the day with my DH, I don't leave my SC at home. If we chat around the dinner table about our values, I don't exclude my SC from these conversations. If I impose rules around phones/manners/screentime/language in my home, these do not only apply to some of the people in the household. You cannot live with SC and not parent them. They benefit (or suffer) from the life you lead together in your shared home. The extent to which SP are involved will vary, but they always parent to some extent (unless they are being emotionally abusive by excluding SC from all family time).

As far as we know, OP has not said to her SC that they are broken, or said negative things about their mother in front of them, nor have I. I have changed jobs, moved cities for the benefit of my SC. I work full time while having my own pre school children because the maintenance we pay means we can't survive on my husband's salary plus a part time wage. I have played with my SC, encouraged their interests, driven them to clubs and activities and supported them there, I have NEVER spoken badly about their mother in front of them. I cook for them, wash their clothes, hug them and comfort them and encourage them. When they are in our house, I treat them with as much love and care as my own children. Random and unwarranted hatred of kind, supportive stepmothers (like that in your post) is just damaging and misogynistic.

I ask again, am I supposed to run in a mad panicked way out of the room when my SC come in for a hug from my DH at 2am after a nightmare? Am I supposed to send them straight out of the room? Am I supposed to sleep on the floor in my own house when I am working the next day? Am I supposed to continually draw distinctions between our shared children and my SC?

My husband is a separated parent. He is a great Dad and his children have two loving (though flawed) parents. This does not mean that we all have to pretend that it would not have been FAR better for his kids if their unhappy but low conflict parents were still together and they were not being constantly shuttled between households. I see the pain and the disruption. I didn't have a Dad growing up, nor did my DH. Our Mums had a similar rhetoric to you, but we both carry significant damage from the lack of a Dad in our homes and in our lives.

Changechangechanging · 15/05/2023 20:12

Our Mums had a similar rhetoric to you, but we both carry significant damage from the lack of a Dad in our homes and in our lives

amd there you go, making assumptions about my rhetoric. My children enjoy a positive relationship with their father - because I have supported that. And despite his poor behaviour towards all of us, including a significant period of abandonment when they were young. And you’re very, very wrong if you think step mothers are all sweetness and light who would never accidentally or even deliberately cause harm (physical and emoti9nal) to their step children.

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