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What happens re maintenance in this situation ?

375 replies

Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 18:03

If a father is paying maintenance as has a good income so was paying enough to allow ex to just work part time but now he has given up work to be a carer so I assume it will go through the csa not a private arrangement and how is it worked out?

Ex is very unhappy but we have said although maintenance will drop we could actually have sd more so that ex can work full time which is reasonable but apparently not ?

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Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 19:06

LunchBoxPolice · 18/11/2022 19:01

But if sd is already with you every weekend and you expect her mum to work more hours while you have sd for extra time, when will sd actually spend any real time with her mum?

The current contact was what ex asked for

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MolesOnPoles · 18/11/2022 19:07

Sorry you’re unwell OP, and sorry you’re having to put up with some twats on this thread.

It seems clear to me that by taking care of you and your kids (and if you’re not well enough to be a sole carer or work, what else can he do), and pay more than the minim maintenance, and offer to do more for his other child your DH is a good man.

IsItaCowIsItaPlane · 18/11/2022 19:09

Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 18:36

We would never stop paying that would be so wrong and definitely something we would not do

For paying £7 a week he may as well kit pay anything. Wtf is that going to pay for.

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2022 19:10

I’m confused as to how you can both HAVE a Carer and BE a Carer simultaneously

anon2022anon · 18/11/2022 19:10

I hope your health improves @Chenillerug
It's a hard situation, and as you can probably guess by the harsh responses, there are a fair few non resident parents who have done this to reduce liability. Hopefully you can come to some agreement, and be understanding that the exes whole life and potential plans have been altered by another household that she has no control over.

LondonWolf · 18/11/2022 19:11

SavingKitten · 18/11/2022 18:52

No you don’t have to go through csa. I can see why she’s annoyed that he’s given up his job and is permanently reducing maintenance to care for someone’s child and his partner, and then to boot she has to work more and see her child less. I can see it’s a difficult situation for you but it’s easy to see why she’s annoyed

There are very few people who wouldn't be shocked and resentful at this being dropped on them.

Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 19:14

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2022 19:10

I’m confused as to how you can both HAVE a Carer and BE a Carer simultaneously

You can claim for one person as long as they get a certain rate of dla or pip. I was claiming carers for dc when I had better health now that mine is worse I can also have someone claim carers for me.

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yellowstickerbargain · 18/11/2022 19:14

itsnotdeep · 18/11/2022 18:59

But the OP has said this is what is right for their family, but the husband hasn't considered all of his children in this. or is entire family. Just his new family.

And if he's on carers' allowance and she's on PIP and gets carers allowance, how are they able to give her £50 still?

And like pp have said, I really don't understand how she's well enough to be a carer, but also needs a carer. So both of them are entitled to carers' allowance.

Of course he's considered both children! He's going to have more contact with his daughter! He will still be paying maintenance! But he won't be able to pay as much, but if his contact goes up his maintenance would go down anyway. Mum is just pissed off she's got to work!

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2022 19:15

But will you be caring for your DC?

Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 19:15

If there is any issue I’m sure it will be sorted out with the UC application as I think in that you can either get carers allowance and they deduct it or you just say you’re a carer for someone and get the carers element ? It basically gives both of us exemption from working

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Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 19:17

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2022 19:15

But will you be caring for your DC?

Yes - I change nappies etc , give medication, do therapies . Some days if I’m very unwell I can’t but the main thing is I can’t drive now so appointment’s are difficult for me to do

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Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2022 19:18

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2022 19:15

But will you be caring for your DC?

This is why I am confused.
If you need someone to care for you how are you able to care for your children?
I know people who are ill/with disabilities can care for children but if you are so ill/disabled you need a Carer yourself then I don’t see how you can.
I am not having a go at you OP but if the system allows that it’s ridiculous

amiold · 18/11/2022 19:19

@yellowstickerbargain 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Exactly this. She wants him to keep her. Now she will have to provide and dad can do the school runs etc but she wanted to be the one to do that and of course she's a woman so dad should pay her to care for their child. It's totally nonsense this bloody cms system

HeddaGarbled · 18/11/2022 19:20

It’s just such awful timing, isn’t it, in the middle of the cost of living/energy prices crisis? I expect your partner’s ex is frightened.

LondonWolf · 18/11/2022 19:20

Mum is just pissed off she's got to work!

This is such a shallow and mean spirited assumption. "Mum" now has to find a full time job, which fits round school hours - not particularly easy as most single mothers know - change her entire parenting routine and see her child far less, all to accommodate her healthy exes choices. Most people would struggle with this initially.

magicofthefae · 18/11/2022 19:21

Why don't you and your DP have your step child full time? The mother of the child becoming the non resident parent? The mother can get a full time job and see her child on the weekend? Saturday or Sunday or both days?

Makes sense to me. Then she can work as much as she likes without time restrictions or childcare costs. She can pay you and your DP for food, trips, clothes etc, when the child lives with you during the week?

Chenillerug · 18/11/2022 19:23

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2022 19:18

This is why I am confused.
If you need someone to care for you how are you able to care for your children?
I know people who are ill/with disabilities can care for children but if you are so ill/disabled you need a Carer yourself then I don’t see how you can.
I am not having a go at you OP but if the system allows that it’s ridiculous

Some days I can care fully for dc (minus the driving!) other days I can’t so dh cares for us both. My condition varies a lot if I have a relapse it can be very hard for a few weeks other times you might not think to look at me anything was wrong ! So I can be a carer and be cared for it’s quite complicated

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autienotnaughty · 18/11/2022 19:24

J0CASTA · 18/11/2022 18:11

Yes lots of men decide to give up work so they don’t have to pay child support. It’s a pretty common trick. Your partner might think that he’s very clever but his child will soon work out what he has done ( or will do when they are older ) and why and hate him.

Who said he's giving up work to avoid maintenance? He's giving up work because he needs to care for someone.

SavingKitten · 18/11/2022 19:24

magicofthefae · 18/11/2022 19:21

Why don't you and your DP have your step child full time? The mother of the child becoming the non resident parent? The mother can get a full time job and see her child on the weekend? Saturday or Sunday or both days?

Makes sense to me. Then she can work as much as she likes without time restrictions or childcare costs. She can pay you and your DP for food, trips, clothes etc, when the child lives with you during the week?

How does this make sense to you? Do you not have children? There is a 0% chance I would give up custody of my child and be a weekend mum to suit my exs life. This is a child who won’t want to suddenly only see his mum 2 days a week, not a dog

LondonWolf · 18/11/2022 19:25

So many people needing care in your household, surely another child there more often - aged only 6 - would add a great deal of pressure?

Gazelda · 18/11/2022 19:25

OP, it sounds very difficult for you all. I hope things settle into an arrangement that you can all be happy with.

I'm sure you see why ex is unhappy. She is being forced into a situation unexpectedly. She might not have the earning potential to be able to make up the shortfall in maintenance from your DH. Her DD will be affected. She may need to move house. She may worry that you taking on more childcare might lead to wanting to alter the residency to your family home.

Having said that, you have said repeatedly that you and your DH are committed to paying whatever you can in maintenance.

While your own situation is doubtlessly difficult, I'm sure she will appreciate as much notice as possible and some understanding. And an agreement to alter the dates/times of contact to whatever suits her new working arrangements as well as enabling them to have quality time together at weekends and holidays.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 18/11/2022 19:26

I might be an outlier on this and no offense to the OP, but he had his child before he got involved with OP. It behooves him to avoid situations that would curb his ability to work and provide for his existing child.

I think it's immoral for him to drop out of the workforce to care for an adult he has met in the years since having his child. Regardless of how much he feels for the OP, this is not the time in his life when he can afford to abandon work -- he has a six-year-old child to provide for.

Sometimes we can't have everything we wish for, when other responsibilities take precedence.

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2022 19:26

Was your DH on a good salary before this?

fjäl · 18/11/2022 19:27

amiold · 18/11/2022 19:19

@yellowstickerbargain 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Exactly this. She wants him to keep her. Now she will have to provide and dad can do the school runs etc but she wanted to be the one to do that and of course she's a woman so dad should pay her to care for their child. It's totally nonsense this bloody cms system

She probably just wants him to provide basic financial assistance for the child he helped create, and now he has a new family thinks providing a bit of babysitting is adequate.

yellowstickerbargain · 18/11/2022 19:27

@SavingKitten but it's fine for a dad to see his child 2 days a week and work full time? It's a reasonable solution.