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Frustrated with DH's inability to influence the Ex

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PaperClipPlane · 02/04/2022 11:33

DSCs live several hundred miles away with their mother after she moved away with them. DH sees them EOW, and they come to us for holidays - but due to the distance, he can't be there during the week to tackle these issues.

DH is great with his DCs when they're with us, but when they're with their mother they have issues. They both have behavioural problems, getting into trouble in school - one has been excluded several times. Both are addicted to gaming and obese. Last year one of them displayed signs of self-harm. Their mother ignores all of these issues and seems unwilling to admit they exist, let alone do anything about it.

DH has arranged for them to join a Scouts group to get them out of the house for one evening a week, get some discipline in their lives, help them achieve something and engage in at least one evening of physical activity. They attended one session several months ago and then their mother put a stop to it - claiming their behaviour was too naughty so she was punishing them by stopping them from going. We think the real reason is she can't be arsed driving them there (it's about 20 mins away). They say they have apologised to their mum and have improved their behaviour - yet they still haven't been allowed to go to scouts for months.

I'm frustrated with DH for not pushing the issue more. He has raised it a couple of times with the ex, but she fobs him off. If she insists their behaviour is bad, he can't really challenge that as he doesn't know, and it's her choice how she disciplines them. But I think he could do more by insisting on this issue, and pushing it every single week to ask if they're going to scouts this week.

I feel like I'm the only one who sees the importance in this - and I'm the only one who sees the issues mounting up with everyone turning a blind eye to it. But I'm totally powerless to do anything about it.

I nag DH to talk to the ex, but it causes arguments between us. How do I disengage?

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SpaceshiptoMars · 04/04/2022 17:20

@Itwasntmeright

I don't know, no. But I can remember the clothes my young relatives turned up in for the summer holidays. I raided my wardrobe, and clothes from my younger, thinner days were literally walked out the door!

PaperClipPlane · 04/04/2022 20:43

The ex moved the children 200 miles away for her own sake- to move back to where they had lived years before, as she preferred the lifestyle there.

Since moving away she has moved a further 2 times, and has told the DSCs that she's selling the house they're in - less than a year since they moved there. So no - DH moving to be hear her would not be a sensible choice at all. Her parents do live nearby - they moved to be hear her and the DCs after the last move.

The good news is DH did talk to her today - she gave a raft of excuses as to why she didn't want to take them to their after school club - none of which mentioned their behaviour at all, it was all about her. So DH has arranged for a taxi to take them. It remains to be seen whether she'll actually let them go - she has no reason not to at this stage.

The reason I struggle to get my head around it is I have several friends (some of whom are single mothers) with children the same age. They all devote their time to taking their children to after school sports or clubs. My BF takes her sons to rugby - a 20 mins journey away , then goes and does her shopping while they're in practise, collects them, picks up a takeaway and they're all happy. She does it for them.

My DD is still too young to go to after school clubs but I'll do everything to support her in what she wants to do when the time comes.

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PaperClipPlane · 04/04/2022 20:52

@SpaceshiptoMars

The other thing I would say as well, is that I’ve never known a mother move hundreds of miles away to be an unsupported single parent for her own selfish reasons, and I know a lot of single mothers.

A mother who buys herself clothes, but won't buy for her growing, obese, teenagers? I'm imagining the boys going around with trousers half way up their calves, the flies pinned with safety pins and bare midriffs in midwinter.

You imagine correctly.

One DSS came to us for his summer holidays with one pair of school shoes in his possession. For a 3 week holiday in Scotland. DH bought him some new plimsolls which he wore to death - so much so that when we had him 6 months later (in the winter) he was still wearing them with the soles falling off.

Neither of them have clothes that fit them - always too small. Whenever DH buys them new clothes, if they take them back to their mother's we never see them again. We think she's either binning them, or selling them. So we have to keep clothes at DH's house - but then they don't get to wear them, and we'd rather they actually got the use of their clothes

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Itwasntmeright · 04/04/2022 22:42

So why isn’t he contacting social services to raise safeguarding concerns? It doesn’t make sense. If what you say is true then they are clearly being neglected, so why isn’t he raising this with the relevant authorities?

PaperClipPlane · 04/04/2022 22:56

Them having shit clothes isn't enough to contact SS over. Surely?

Her refusing to drive them to scouts is also not a SS matter.

The school are aware of their behavioural issues, and are in regular contact with DH.

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Thewheelsfalloffthebus · 05/04/2022 08:18

Have the kids said she’s binning/selling their new clothes? She might just be sending them in old stuff hoping that dad will buy them a new outfit. If she’s struggling for money this could be her technique to maximize their dad’s financial contribution?
Driving your kids to clubs is lovely but you can only do it if family finances allow. It really isn’t an option for everyone. Do the kids have opportunities to do any free or subsidized clubs through school? That can be a more realistic option for many families. Play football/hocky/rugby/cricket/basketball for a school team and they get themselves home afterwards. Duke of Edinburgh awards, drama clubs, school music groups?

lemongreentea · 05/04/2022 08:38

It might be worth remembering that, however little their mum does for these children, their dad does even less

This

howtomoveforwards · 05/04/2022 08:48

One DSS came to us for his summer holidays with one pair of school shoes in his possession

Do you really think one parent should have to pack a suitcase for their child to stay with the other parent?

So we have to keep clothes at DH's house

Quite. Exactly how it should be.

SpaceshiptoMars · 05/04/2022 09:22

Do you really think one parent should have to pack a suitcase for their child to stay with the other parent?

Surely this depends on the frequency of visits? If it is mostly long holiday visiting, then packing a suitcase seems appropriate. Buying clothes to wear just for 3 weeks before they are outgrown seems a little bizarre.

Itwasntmeright · 05/04/2022 09:27

This is actually very true. I know plenty of single mothers who refuse to send the kids’ good clothes with them to their dad’s because they don’t come back. Not necessarily because the dad is a feckless waste of space, although sadly that’s true in many cases, but because the kids forget them, then come home and have nothing to wear. Quite apart from that, when the kids see their father their mother isn’t sending them on holiday, they are going to spend time in what should be their second home, and it’s not one parent’s job to provide clothes for the convenience of the other parent. Maintenance is paid when there is an imbalance between the care that one parent provides compared to the other. Unless the maintenance paid is for 100% of the time, it’s still the paying parent,s responsibility to provide everything the kids need while they’re with them.

OP, I understand this is frustrating, but if the mother’s parenting isn’t bad enough for social services involvement, then chances are it’s good enough, and if one parent is happy to let somebody else raise their kids for them, they really don’t get to dictate how those kids are parented. Your husband has PR, so there are ways and Means for him to change the situation if he chooses, but he isn’t choosing to. It’s not like he has no options, he does have options, even if they are less than ideal, but he has decided that other things in his life take higher priority. That’s fair enough if that’s what he chooses, but then he has to accept that he doesn’t get to control how his kids are parented.

veevee04 · 05/04/2022 09:36

I think it's a bit out of order to arrange an activity the mother will have to facilitate. Does she have work , other stuff to do? Did she get a say what day this scouts thing would be on ?

I think looking at whether the boys would move in with you or think about moving closer to the mother. I think you can't really arrange activities when the other parent has facilitate them.

veevee04 · 05/04/2022 09:43

@PaperClipPlane

The ex moved the children 200 miles away for her own sake- to move back to where they had lived years before, as she preferred the lifestyle there.

Since moving away she has moved a further 2 times, and has told the DSCs that she's selling the house they're in - less than a year since they moved there. So no - DH moving to be hear her would not be a sensible choice at all. Her parents do live nearby - they moved to be hear her and the DCs after the last move.

The good news is DH did talk to her today - she gave a raft of excuses as to why she didn't want to take them to their after school club - none of which mentioned their behaviour at all, it was all about her. So DH has arranged for a taxi to take them. It remains to be seen whether she'll actually let them go - she has no reason not to at this stage.

The reason I struggle to get my head around it is I have several friends (some of whom are single mothers) with children the same age. They all devote their time to taking their children to after school sports or clubs. My BF takes her sons to rugby - a 20 mins journey away , then goes and does her shopping while they're in practise, collects them, picks up a takeaway and they're all happy. She does it for them.

My DD is still too young to go to after school clubs but I'll do everything to support her in what she wants to do when the time comes.

Some parents have to work very long hours to keep a roof over their children's head they don't have the luxury of being able to shuttle them about every day of the week. My DD does activities at the weekend.
BananaPlants · 05/04/2022 16:19

@PaperClipPlane - Your DH should be providing clothes for his house, that is factored into the maintenance.

He should also be packing and organising when taking the DC on holiday, why should his ex have the stress of that? They are HIS children too.

My ex once took the 3 DC away, and phoned me the day before and announced “ please have a bag ready at this time with all the clothes we will need”. I’m not his au pair ! Getting all the stuff organised, washed and packed is one of the most stressful parts of taking DC away; I have them the majority of the time and deal with daily life, it’s up to him to sort things out on his time.

BananaPlants · 05/04/2022 16:28

Also, if he seems they every other weekend, why aren’t they able to wear the clothes that he buys them? And if one child is wearing the same pair of plimsoles constantly for 6 months, why on earth doesn’t his father buy his son another pair of shoes?!

FancyACuppaThen · 05/04/2022 23:06

Does it bother you so much they don't go? Get on with your own life

aSofaNearYou · 06/04/2022 09:51

@BananaPlants

Also, if he seems they every other weekend, why aren’t they able to wear the clothes that he buys them? And if one child is wearing the same pair of plimsoles constantly for 6 months, why on earth doesn’t his father buy his son another pair of shoes?!
This is very common with step children - you buy them new clothes, send them home in them and you don't get them back. So all the clothes you've bought for them at yours slowly disappear.
BananaPlants · 06/04/2022 11:07

@aSofaNearYou - I have this situation with my ex. We do a “swap back” about once a month, and I know I don’t get a lot back (whereas his are easy for me to find as I bag them straight up and they are always from Primark so I can check labels) even sometimes brand new things I’ve bought that I’ve only seen them wear once.

But, I accept it by telling myself that they will get the use of those nice clothes while they are there ( although I do have to chase coats, P.E coats and shoes as can’t keep replacing).

My ex will literally send them back in pyjamas and bare feet, so that I don’t get any of “his” clothes, and if they ever do have them, my DC panic when they take them off and start saying “Dad wants these back” straight away.

I don’t want them to feel like that, so I say nothing to them. I just remind ex if it is something I particularly want them to have (co-ordinating sets mainly, when I only have half a set!) Sometimes I get them.

I was advised, by a DV counsellor in the past, that his behaviour around keeping needed things is about control (as I have to keep making contact to ask for them). She advised me to get a bag of charity shop clothes and send them in those, which I did back then but don’t bother with anymore.

As they are getting older and are more into fashion, they will sometimes hunt for an outfit here that they can’t find. I just remind them that if they want certain clothes here (where they are most of the time) then they need to pack up and bring them back themselves.

I hand over wetsuits, bikes, phones/iPads - and sometimes feel annoyed that I have to track down to get back. But it’s about what is best for DC, not about disputes between me and the ex.

As it happens, he tells everyone that I steal the clothes he buys, won’t take them to activities (one that he booked at 5pm, without asking me, when I work full time in another town, then told DC that they couldn’t go as I refused to take them! Again, about control), and that I feed them take aways all the time and am generally neglectful. None of this is true.

If it wasn’t for different circumstances then I’d have wondered if I was ex described in OP. Grin It’s a common script though, from abusive men who lost control of their former partners.

I’m not saying this is case here, but I do tend to take stories of neglectful ex-wives with a pinch of salt. Particularly when the father hasn’t even fought for 50% custody, despite telling everyone what a terrible mother the ex is.

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SpaceshiptoMars · 06/04/2022 12:42

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