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DP agreeing to things without talking to me first

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thewhiterabbit1 · 05/05/2021 08:18

I was wondering whether other people's DP's agree to having their DC's more without mentioning it to you first?

Before I get flamed, I like my DSS a lot so it's not that I object to him coming over more at all.

We have DSS every other weekend and one, sometimes two evenings for dinner every week. DP told me last night that he has agreed to have DSS on a Tues and Thurs every week for dinner, on top of the Wednesday (and usually Monday) he has him for dinner already.

I have no issue with this, I'm just wondering whether he maybe should have mentioned it to me first before saying yes to his ex?

OP posts:
Isthisit22 · 08/05/2021 08:54

He needs to cook every other night. That would be fairer even regardless of DSS being there are not.
Don't fall into the trap of doing all the drudgery/ childcare

sillysmiles · 10/05/2021 14:43

So the issue is not that DSS is over, but the extra work for you that him being there creates in terms of dinners and cleaning etc. That is what you need to address imo, not the DSS. Even if it was just the two of you and no DSS why isn't DH doing half the cooking/cleaning etc too. You know generally being a grown-up? Remember if he lived on his own he'd have to do it, there is no reason why living with you means he has to do nothing.

Bibidy · 10/05/2021 17:23

@Hotankles

^As I have said, my DP does not do this to me. He always speaks to me about any out-of-the-ordinary arrangements with the children, such as time in the school holidays. This is out of courtesy but also because he wants me involved. He wouldn't be happy for me to just be out and about doing my own thing or away when his children are here, so therefore he has to consult me beforehand anyway*

He sounds a bit co dependant tbh.

Loooool well if being 'co-dependent' means caring about involving me in the things going on in our home, then I'm very glad to be with someone 'co-dependent' Grin.

so you would ask your DP if he minded if your kids came over - just out of courtesy?

Again, it's not about asking him if he minds, it's about having respect that it's his home too and he deserves to know what's going on. Its not saying "Can my kids please come over on Friday?"!! My DP doesn't 'ask permission' from me, but he'll say "I need to sort a week with the kids in the summer, was thinking the first or 2nd week of August, what do you reckon is better?" It's not asking for permission, just two people who live in the same house planning something together that affects them both!

If my DP treated me in the way you're saying he should then we wouldn't have lasted very long.

KylieKoKo · 10/05/2021 17:24

Threads like this confuse me. Surely parents who are together communicate about whether or not their children will be in the house. Why do people think that this isn't necessary in step parenting situations?

Bibidy · 10/05/2021 17:29

@KylieKoKo

Threads like this confuse me. Surely parents who are together communicate about whether or not their children will be in the house. Why do people think that this isn't necessary in step parenting situations?
Because some people just hate the fact that a step-parent might be treated like an equal adult in the house, rather than stay in their place at the back of the line behind the kids and even the ex.

Of course 2 adults in a relationship would discuss and plan things together. SCs or no SCs.

Barbiesdocmartins · 10/05/2021 17:54

I just couldn’t imagine having to ask another adult if it was ok or ‘worked for them’ or however it’s dressed up as if my own children wanted to come to my home. Same as if I ever got with a man I’d probably think he was a bit shit if he started asking me first tbh.

KylieKoKo · 10/05/2021 18:06

@Barbiesdocmartins

I just couldn’t imagine having to ask another adult if it was ok or ‘worked for them’ or however it’s dressed up as if my own children wanted to come to my home. Same as if I ever got with a man I’d probably think he was a bit shit if he started asking me first tbh.
But surely if you were expecting this other adult to cook for your child you would have the common courtesy to give them a heads up?
KylieKoKo · 10/05/2021 18:10

DP always tells me the days he's planning to have the kids. It's just basic communication within a relationship. It means for example, I know when I can cook dp and I a spicey curry which the kids won't eat and get the ingredients in. I know when I can walk naked round the house or if I should put a robe on because the SCS don't want to see that. It means I won't put something unsuitable on the TV which the kids see because I don't know they are there.

Barbiesdocmartins · 10/05/2021 18:35

@KylieKoKo

DP always tells me the days he's planning to have the kids. It's just basic communication within a relationship. It means for example, I know when I can cook dp and I a spicey curry which the kids won't eat and get the ingredients in. I know when I can walk naked round the house or if I should put a robe on because the SCS don't want to see that. It means I won't put something unsuitable on the TV which the kids see because I don't know they are there.
Yeah I get that. He is letting you know. Which is what it should be. I just think it’s a bit weird when you have to start saying ‘the kids want to come over - Is that ok?/work for you?

I think it it’s a bit controlling that anyone should have to ask to see their own children.

Regarding the partner cooking the food - well that’s where the issue is. The OP needs to start making him do it and buy extra shopping on route.

KylieKoKo · 10/05/2021 18:39

@Barbiesdocmartins
You could say it's controlling to expect your partner just to fall in with whatever arrangements you make for your kids and not let them have say about what happens in their own home ...

Barbiesdocmartins · 10/05/2021 19:30

[quote KylieKoKo]@Barbiesdocmartins
You could say it's controlling to expect your partner just to fall in with whatever arrangements you make for your kids and not let them have say about what happens in their own home ...[/quote]
Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first.

They didn’t ask their parents to to be born or split up and now one of their parents has to check whether they can visit.

It just doesn’t sit right with me but different strokes for different folks I suppose.

RUOKHon · 12/05/2021 16:38

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

RUOKHon · 12/05/2021 16:41

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

RUOKHon · 12/05/2021 16:42

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

Bibidy · 12/05/2021 17:22

@RUOKHon

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

I agree with this and it's what I often struggle with in replies on this site. It's unfair to get into a relationship with someone and then expect them to be happy to be right at the bottom of your list of priorities, even more so than you'd ever expect if they were the other parent of your child.
Blendiful · 12/05/2021 17:54

I agree with the other posters on here who say YANBU.

Kids come first, yes when they ‘need’ something that doesn’t mean their wants have to always come first, or exes wants for that matter.

There has to be some compromise and also if you are living together it should absolutely be discussed.

DP has done this a few times to me also and I’ve brought it up. I don’t dislike his kids at all, but I also like my time without kids here and also as you say it creates work. My DP is actually pretty good and does lots of the cooking tho, and also will do most of the care for his kids when they are here (I generally do washing and cleaning, but mainly because I like to, if I didn’t he would). He now discusses with me any changes. It’s just courtesy IMO and I do the same with my kids for him.

He and I have both said no to our kids being with us extra even if they have wanted to, to give us time together to do things and to both have a break. It’s important I think for kids to learn also they can’t have what they want all the time and grown ups have needs too.

Obviously in a situation where any of them needs to be here, like if their other parent is unwell, working or whatever then yes, but not as a permanent arrangement.

I absolutely think he should have discussed it with you, if nothing else so you could lay out expectations to be able to say, that’s fine but I can’t take on extra cooking/cleaning so you will need to do it. It’s the fact he’s agreed to it and just expected you to pick that stuff up that’s the most annoying.

Bimblingaway · 12/05/2021 19:30

@RUOKHon

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

Absolutely spot on
KylieKoKo · 12/05/2021 20:20

@RUOKHon

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

I agree with this. It's quite emotionally abusive to treat your partner as if they don't matter and then guilt trip them about the children if they ever bring it up.
aSofaNearYou · 12/05/2021 20:24

@RUOKHon

Then they wouldn’t be right for me. When you get with some one with kids because they are children they have to come first

I would flip this statement actually and say that if you’re a single parent and want to be able to prioritise time with your children at absolutely all opportunities, then don’t start a relationship with a third party. Because you won’t be able to accommodate their needs enough to sustain a thriving, nurturing relationship and it will be unfair on them.

It should not be the role of a new partner to enable the parent to consistently put their relationship with them last.

Couldn't agree more with this comment.
FishyFriday · 13/05/2021 08:03

I agree with this. It's quite emotionally abusive to treat your partner as if they don't matter and then guilt trip them about the children if they ever bring it up.

I actually think that a lot of what posters on MN expect stepmums to put up with is just plain abusive in this way. They should never have any notice, never mind any say, over what happens in their home. They are the problem if they expect to be considered, cared about and treated like a partner.

Tbh, all I can conclude is that all these people unwilling to even consider a partner's needs or feelings on the basis that 'you knew I had kids' should just stay single. It's ridiculous to blame the stepparent for just wanting to be a consideration.

OnceUponAThread · 13/05/2021 09:07

Yes of course your partner should give you a heads up about a permanent change to arrangements. And I know you've said you didn't mean you wanted permission, but actually it should have been a family discussion before being agreed anyway.

When lockdown happened - we needed to work out what would happen with home schooling my SDs. ExW was chopping and changing each week which was causing mayhem, and she was also nudging towards us homeschooling every day, with no overnights and no weekend contact time (don't even get me started).

DH and I agreed that we we needed a regular weekly schedule (though obviously we could flex for emergencies).

He initially thought of three days for us to have them, which he thought would have worked. I said: ooooh, actually Tuesdays are a nightmare for me because of X work reason, what if we do these three days instead - with this day overnight.

Him: oops forgot that, yes let's suggest those three days - and the overnight is a good idea. So that's what we did. ExW knew we would cover if she had any important meetings but that Tuesdays were a no except for emergencies. It meant that we could all keep working and vaguely try and educate the children at the same time.

That's how it should be for ANY major and permanent change to how the access schedule works.

Everyone saying that it's the children's home and they should be able to come whenever they want is being totally disingenuous - because in op's scenario the children's didn't ask - the ExW did.

In our house, if the girls ever ask if they can come over or stay longer our response is automatically - of course you can come whenever you want - it's your home, but just make sure mum is happy with it (because it's not fair for us to dick around with her days with them, so they need HER permission). Unless we have set in stone plans, in which case we either offer to involve them, or suggest another day / time instead if the plans aren't child friendly.

On the other hand, if ExW wants us to have them as a one off to help her out, DH says: almost certainly fine but let me double check with Once. (If we are free it is fine and I would never say no to extra contact, but sometimes I / we may have plans). This he absolutely will run by me.

This isn't making the kids feel like it's not their home, as they are not involved in these conversations. It does however help set boundaries with ExW and make it clear that she cannot just automatically dictate.

If there was a major permanent change to the arrangements - we would discuss it. The starting point would be: yes great to have more time with the kids. But the end point would be do the actual days work well.

For instance, like OP I do all the cooking (but none of the cleaning). On Wednesdays I have a bridge night. So if the new arrangement was Wednesdays - I'd say - ok - but don't forget I have (currently virtual) Bridge that night.

DH might say: that's perfect, we can have daddy daughter time and I'll cook. Or he might say: actually it's a bit weird if every week they're here you're squirrelled up in your room on the laptop so let's counter-suggest that we do Thursdays instead. Etc etc. He'd never agree to a new permanent set up without discussing it with me first. And I'd be highly unimpressed if he was kowtowing and prioritising what worked for ExW over what worked for us (including me) and the girls.

grapewine · 13/05/2021 09:23

Your boyfriend needs to get his act together and do his bit around the house. Why is it OK with you to do everything and work full time. I'd resent that a lot. Enough to reconsider the relationship. You're not the hired help.

OnceUponAThread · 13/05/2021 09:35

Also agree with everyone that your biggest problem here is that you are doing all the housework despite working full time. Why?

This should be 50/50 as a starting point, and IMO if the SC is coming every evening then your partner should be doing far more (e.g. 75%). And he's being outrageous by asking you to cook a separate meal every night for SS.

OnceUponAThread · 13/05/2021 09:40

Last one. I also think ExW is MAJORLY taking the piss by saying you have them all evening every evening but not for overnights (this feels like a straight up maintenance play).

You say your partner would like more overnights, so if child is young enough I'd be looking to formalise the schedule including overnights through court if necessary.

If (like us) DSC are older and courts won't do anything, I'd just have a firm: if he is coming two days in a row he stays rule. And ExW can like it or lump it. It's not fair for him to be dragged from pillar to post and taken home late at night just to sleep.

ALevelhelp · 13/05/2021 09:43

@Coffeepot72

Blimey OP, that's quite a lot extra, not just a one off. I would definitely have expected to be consulted.
Yep me too, and I'm not even a SM, I'm a RP. I'd be pissed off for my Ex's partner if he did that to her!

I think it's right that children should feel comfortable to feel like they should come and go at both parents houses, but it's about respect for all in the houses too

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