Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Step-parenting

Connect with other Mumsnetters here for step-parenting advice and support.

Roles in reverse?

164 replies

amotherslove7 · 02/12/2020 20:42

As a step mother, I always hear the phrase 'you have to love them like they are your own' but why do I never hear my step kids being told that they 'have to love me as if I was their bio mom'?

Why so one sided?

Complete BS if you ask me!

A few months ago, my inlaws asked me how many kids I have.

I said 1.

They shook their heads sadly and said no you have 4.

BS!!!

I gave birth to one! Just one!

Ask my step kids how many mothers they have! Ask them!

I guarantee they will NOT say 2!!!!

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
LouJ85 · 05/12/2020 10:44

I don't think the OP is having a hard time on here.

Someone called her an arsehole. Another implied she has been "inflicted upon" the children. Yet another poster suggested she should "love them like her own and in time they'll love her too", creating an unreasonable expectation of a stepmum.

A later poster suggests that "lack of control" within the child-adult dynamic is at the fore of it all. And my point was simply that we cannot just apply this in a specialised way to step parenting situations as though it explains everything, meaning we must be an "arsehole" if we don't respond to that. However in the interests of bringing some perspective and making lack of control the reason why stepmums must "try harder".... I simply pointed out that lack of control is a universal experience for most children, regardless of family set up.

I've haven't passed any comment on how I think we should or shouldn't address it - and certainly as you have suggested I never said "let them get on with it". I've simply made the point that no child gets to choose their family set up - which may or may not negatively impact on them in some way. So let's keep it in perspective. That's all.

Bollss · 05/12/2020 10:52

I'm fairly certain that their behaviour will have been addressed and they will have been offered "help" but they don't have to and often don't take it, and then what?

The bizzarre assumption that they're brats and their dad and sm go urgh they're brats and leave it at that and don't look into it or try to help at all is ridiculous.

I'm sure many attempts of help will have been made. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. And you certainly can't make it drink when it's other owner is telling it not to when you're not there.

LouJ85 · 05/12/2020 10:58

I don't think the OP is having a hard time on here.

She has also (if you read further back) had the "YOU chose to be with his dad" comment. In capitals, too.

So because she chose to be with this man, we should all be very mindful that the children did not choose this at all, therefore we should try extra hard?

Ok... so let's say instead that mum and dad chose to stay together (no step mum on the scene). Let's say arguing happens every day. Let's say kids are miserable with this. They still didn't choose it, did they? But would that mum, who came on here for support, be told "YOU (in capitals) chose to stay with this man - your children did not choose this!!"

Call me cynical but, I doubt she'd be told that at all.

LouJ85 · 05/12/2020 11:35

@Aerial2020

I actually think the point you make about loss is an important one. There may well be children who experience a sense of loss of the family unit following their parents' separation.

But loss is not the same as lack of control/power imbalance. We are arguing two entirely different points here. Tattler seems to have made this a key, central argument in her post - power imbalance between adult and child and lack of choice is, for her it seems, at the root of all the difficulties children of separated families experience.

My point was that I disagree with this - because the child-adult power imbalance is a universal across the board experience for children. It exists for good reasons - it provides containment and security. Where it creates upset, anger, and resentment, it does so in both nuclear and separated families. Maybe a teen doesn't think she should have to home from her friend's by 11pm, maybe she thinks 3am is more acceptable, so she lashes back at the power dynamic. Maybe a 4 year old wants that chocolate biscuit right now, not after his tea, so he screams and kicks on the floor, lashing back at the power dynamic .... maybe a 9 year old stepchild doesn't like their dad's new partner having rules at their house, so she complains to Mum, lashing back at the power dynamic .. etc.

Hopefully you see my point. Perhaps loss is pertinent in some (or many) cases - I'm sure it is. But power imbalance alone - as is what heavily came across in Tattler's post - is not a sufficient hypothesis for helping us understanding step parenting situations uniquely / specifically. And therefore by extension, saying to step parents who post on here, "you chose this, the kids didn't", is in my view a null and void argument.

Tiredoftattler · 05/12/2020 12:40

@LouJ85
My point about the power imbalance is to simply point out where the greater responsibility lies. No excuses are being made for the behavior of the children. No acceptance of rude behavior is being promoted.
In a nuclear family or relationship, the biological parents may want a healthy child. They may want a child of a certain gender. They may want intellectually gifted children. They may want beautiful children. These wants are factors over which they have no choice and ultimately no control.

The step parent on the other hand gets to see the finished or completed product and the current family interactions prior to making a choice as to becoming and remaining a part of the particular dynamic. The children in these situations had no choice in any of these relationship structures and dynamics.

The OP has always had the freedom of choice. She may now have buyers remorse. The children too may have remorse but they never had the option of choice so I think that they deserve a bit more compassion and understanding of their situations.

Adults choose and the impact of those choices are visited upon the children. Again, children never get a pass to be rude or disrespectful to anyone, but they are owed an awareness of and sensitivity to the situations in which they are placed.

Aerial2020 · 05/12/2020 13:17

With the loss element, I think attachment theory plays a big part here. The step parents haven't had the early years (if the kids are older) to form the attachment and bonds and vice versa.
Children form attachments to their bio parents, even if their bio parents relationship isn't a good one. Then when that breaks down, they lose that unit they are attached to.
A step parent comes in and has to face all those feelings of loss the child has, without the attachment there to support it. And build a relationship from scratch. And that's bloody hard if one/both bio parents aren't on your side to do that.
A child doesn't have the maturity to say hey, I'm struggling with this. They will usually show it in their behaviour.

I think that's what I'm trying to say, probably not very well.

I didn't realise the OP had been called an arsehole and was being attacked like that.
It's a bloody hard job.

LouJ85 · 05/12/2020 14:03

The step parent on the other hand gets to see the finished or completed product and the current family interactions prior to making a choice as to becoming and remaining a part of the particular dynamic

I don't agree with this. At all.

My DP's daughter was 5 when I met her - five years old is not "the finished product". Far from it. At 10 she is now entirely different in both personality and behaviour to how she was when I met her. I didn't see this before it happened, did I?

MyCatHatesEverybody · 05/12/2020 15:20

The step parent on the other hand gets to see the finished or completed product and the current family interactions prior to making a choice as to becoming and remaining a part of the particular dynamic.

I don't agree with this either. If it were true there would be no ending of any kind of long term relationship other than "till death do us part" because we see the finished or completed product (i.e. adult) before choosing to become serious with them. If anything, this logic applies even more when talking about romantic relationships because we are interacting with a fully matured person as opposed to a child who is still growing, developing, possibly puberty yet to kick in etc.

It's all the more exacerbated by the catch-22 of not being allowed to meet the DCs until you're sure you're in it for the long haul. By the time any cracks might show you're well and truly enmeshed with each other. Tattler is like the Mr Spock of the step parenting board. A lot of her advice is based on a very logical approach but completely fails to take into account the human factors at play in relationships, and that they evolve over time. And if we don't like the way a certain aspect evolves despite the rest of the relationship being amazing - "just walk away!" she says. To follow her advice would require the kind of cold measured detachment that most people simply don't have with the people they love. Funnily enough I don't see this sage advice all over the Relationships board.

I had three pleasant, uneventful years living with my step children before the tide turned for no reason other than teenage hormones. It was such hell that I moved out. Weathered the storm for a couple of years then moved back in. It decimated our finances running two homes during that time and most people would not have been able to afford to do that without splitting up. I get on great again with my DSCs now.

What makes it especially hard as a step parent is the unfounded judgement we are subjected to. My behaviour towards DSC remained the same throughout that rocky time and it's on the basis of that same behaviour that they accept me again now. Yet I know there will be some people reading this who will assume I am burying my head in the sand and I must've done something to contribute towards the temporary breakdown in the relationship between me and my DSC. I can sleep easy at night knowing I always did the right thing but my goodness it was fucking hard.

aSofaNearYou · 05/12/2020 15:52

Tattler is like the Mr Spock of the step parenting board

🤣 So true. The rest of your comment was spot on too!

dontdisturbmenow · 05/12/2020 16:56

Some kids are just self-centered, entitled and rude. They'd give any SM a hard time. They can't be changed and can't be loved.

They are also SMs who try hard or not and get it very wrong.

I used to hate my SM. Really hate her with all my heart. Why? Because I felt that she'd never accepted me as the child and person I was. She had an image of what the perfect child should be like and she couldn't accept I wasn't like that child. So she judged me. Never directly but I knew. Some conversations heard she thought were away from me. Some facial expressions when I said something, a lack of enthusiasm or even mild interest in things that mattered to me. Some very hurtful comments which left me sucked of any confidence. The more I lack confidence, the more I acted in away to justify how she felt. A complete vicious circle.

Yet we moved from all this. When my dad cheated on her, it was be she called to talk about it and it's her I defended because my principles took over.

We are now quite close. The way we see it now: she genuinely care for me and wanted the best, at least at first. She thought the way I was brought up by my mum, and dad to done extent, who both were much less strict than her, would mean I'd turn into an unrespectable adult. I turned very well and actually better than her own DD (something she says herself).

She says that if she could turn back time, she'd met go of many things, let me feel that I was home when coming over rather than constantly on edge that she was going to be cross, disappointed, annoyed, even disgusted by me.

I wish I could have understood that her actions were because she really did care rather than growing to believe that she was just spiteful and only wished I didn't exist.

We can't judge a blended family, who is right, wrong, what could be done differently, who should take a lead on the initiatives to make changes, who should be blamed, who should make more efforts without knowing the family very well.

Pinkyxx · 05/12/2020 19:40

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Newmum2020F · 08/12/2020 19:10

@amotherslove7

As a step mother, I always hear the phrase 'you have to love them like they are your own' but why do I never hear my step kids being told that they 'have to love me as if I was their bio mom'?

Why so one sided?

Complete BS if you ask me!

A few months ago, my inlaws asked me how many kids I have.

I said 1.

They shook their heads sadly and said no you have 4.

BS!!!

I gave birth to one! Just one!

Ask my step kids how many mothers they have! Ask them!

I guarantee they will NOT say 2!!!!

Couldn't agree more!!
Newmum2020F · 12/12/2020 07:10

@2GinOrNot2Gin

I have a great relationship with my stepchildren but I don't love them like I love my own. Doesn't mean I don't respect them and treat them well.

When you say it in reverse it does sound ridiculous. People will even go as far to say you aren't their mum so don't try to be. So I can't try and be their mum but I must love them as my own. How does that work?!

Stepparents cannot win. I have a stepdad and a sister from him and my mum. My step dad has always treated me well and I've never felt like he favours my sister. However my mum and stepdads will is set in a way that my sister will benefit more than me. It's certainly triggers lots of comments from people who think it's disgusting we're treated differently but I actually think it's fair. He isn't my dad, I have a dad.

I think you are looking at it with complete logic and it's okay to feel how you do your doing a great job I'm sure and there shouldn't be judgment on any side it's only natural for you to say you have 1 child it's an instant instinct you cannot hold back and if the step children have their mother and get lots of love from her that's wonderful as your child only has you doesn't mean you can't give love to your stepchildren keep going mumma you got this! X
PegLegTrev · 12/12/2020 07:11

@Sophagain

Your logic is flawed. You chose to enter their lives - they didn’t choose you at all. Of course you’ll never live them like you do your own child, but there’s no need to be an arsehole about it.
OP isn’t being an arseholes she’s just rejecting the notion that she should love them like her own.
New posts on this thread. Refresh page