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Being honest, would you be bothered about not seeing your SCs again if you and your partner split tomorrow?

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FlippidyFlop · 23/10/2020 13:39

Would you? I see this on here a lot when step children are being discussed 'you might not see them again if you and DH split tomorrow'

I just don't think I would personally. I get on perfectly well with them but it's just not something that would bother me if me and DH ever split.

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funinthesun19 · 25/10/2020 11:19

I always think the elephant in the room in this threads is that there is a very high likelihood that the reason they split in the first place was because of the dynamic of being a step parent, whether it be due to the ex's behaviour, their partner's, the step child's, or a combination. Of course they're not going to actively want to carry on that dynamic if it is the reason they left.

You’ve hit the nail on the head there.

There are multiple reasons why me and my ex split. One huge reason being the fact that I did not want to be a stepparent to his child anymore. Again for multiple reasons.
So, with all that being clear, what would make people think I would then after the split, invest lots of time and energy in to a life that I wanted to get away from and then made the choice to get away from? I don’t want to be a stepparent and I want an easy life, so I don’t want this weird stepparent role where I’m not even with the father any more. Occasional tea times to catch up with siblings, and that’s it.

Isthisnothing · 25/10/2020 11:33

Nope.

I'd be happy to never see them again even while we are together (only half joking).

Takethewinefromtheswine · 25/10/2020 11:34

It works both ways, as some posters have said. Some people may not be bothered, but not because they are cruel or spiteful. (The thought you can predict how you would feel is laughable. )
I'm not a sm, but both dd and I have SMs. If I never saw mine again, it wouldnt bother me, she is my dad's partner, but nothing to me other than a nice enough woman, certainly not my family, even if she is his. My dd would not be bothered as her dad is a twat so has no relationship with him or his partner. If either woman attempted to maintain a relationship with one of us, it would not be natural or necessary, if their relationships ended.

Whodofthunk · 25/10/2020 11:36

To add to my comment, I can almost guarantee that if DP and I split up it would be due to issues regarding the children (mine and his).

Nancydowns · 25/10/2020 11:48

And let’s be honest here, of course it’s not a hypothetical question. if you’ve thought about it and realised you would never be bothered if you never saw the DSC ever again, then that’s how you think now if the DSC disappeared tomorrow it wouldn’t bother you. But if they decided to stay away because they disliked you and felt sidelined you would play the victim.

Play the victim to who. I can't say I'd care or really give it much thought or air time. Not everyone is drama drama all the time.

blending families is wrong and having more children into a family where you can freely admit you’d never see half of them again if the relationship ended is beyond selfish. But hey, as long as you get your baby eh? hmm

Theres a big difference between a blended family and having a step child. My ss is 10 years older than my kids. My dh had him young left when ss was a toddler and sees him only once a month as he lives the other side of the country. Why, pray tell, should dh having a child from a previous relationship who he sees infrequently have any baring on whether we go on to have more kids. Why should my dh not get to be a normal father to kids that he lives with? And no my dh was not responsible for the brake down of his first marriage nor was he the one that moved 100s of miles away. My ds would not care if he never saw me again, it would be like never seeing a friend of the family again, he woulndt care. I imagine he would want to see his siblings but it would be up to dh to keep that relationship going. Not me.

I think it's ridiculous to say that a couple should not have kids just because the husband has kids from a previous relationship. Life and relationship are so much more complex than that.

WooMaWang · 25/10/2020 11:49

Step mothers really are screwed. And 9 times out of 10, it’s the parents who have created these dysfunctional dynamics. Not the step parent. The step parent doesn’t have enough control to do so.

I think this can be the case even where there is no malice intended (towards the SM, that is).

The loyalty bind problems we have aren’t because of the DSC’s mother’s attitude towards me. I don’t think at least (there may be a bit of that, but it’s not the primary issue). They derive from a mixture of her prioritising her own psychological needs (over theirs) and the conflict and dysfunction in the relationship between her and DH. They’re not entirely separate issues.

The first part of it very much seems to be that she’s built her entire identity around being ‘primary carer’ and Most Important Parent. She needs to feel that they love her more, miss her if they’re not with her, prefer everything about her house, don’t see this house as anything like ‘home’ etc. And this fundamentally affects the DSC, who end up feeling like they’re betraying their mum if they don’t miss her, or have fun, or even enjoy a meal. It’s awful.

And she’ll reinforce it by deciding she misses them and needs to speak to them on the phone (the agreement from mediation is that it should be driven by the children asking, but it’s always about her needs not theirs). She then tells them how much she misses them etc etc and they feel even worse because they hadn’t asked or even wanted to ask to speak to her.

I don’t think this is entirely malicious on the ex’s part. She just doesn’t seem to be able to think beyond her own wants often. But it does mean that she not only fails to give them emotional permission to enjoy their time here, but she actively undermines their relationship with their father by making liking being with him into some kind of betrayal of her. It’s especially bad for DSD who is much more attached to her mother than DSS is.

The definitely malicious part is the animosity between her and DH. But he’s at fault there too. They both say negative things about the other to the children. But it has different effects depending on who says it. It creates a horrible loyalty bind where the DSC feel they’re doing something horrible to their mother if they love their father. When DH does it, it exacerbated this loyalty bind because they cannot cope with any criticism of their mother.

All of this impacts upon their behaviour in profound ways. But it also means that, for their sake I have to step right back and detach.

In fact, the easiest way out of all this is for the DSC to take all the ambiguous feelings their parents are creating and ‘resolve’ this by deciding I’m the villain. I am resigned to the fact that they will hate me but there is nothing I can do. It isn’t even about me or how I behave. It’s very clear that any positive feelings they might have about me are like pouring water on all that dysfunctional family dynamic oil. So I detach and save the DSC from that because I actually do care about them. Sometimes caring doesn’t look like what people assume it will.

DH does not help himself or me. He adopts Disney style parenting and (probably unintentionally) takes advantage of how easy it is to scapegoat me. He will also probably end up alienating DSD because he is so determined to have her see how dreadful her mother is and how badly she treated him ‘when she’s old enough’ (given all the above, that will have exactly the opposite effect from what he hopes - I’ve told him this but he’s an idiot stubborn).

So, absolutely, I agree with @sassbott that adults who are still determined that their SM was the bad guy, should probably be looking more closely at their parents.

I have stepparents. They aren’t the reason my teenage years were crap. No. That was because my parents managed to find every single possible way to divorce badly (from when I was 12-25!), including both trying to emotionally manipulate me to get at the other.

SBTLove · 25/10/2020 11:55

@sassbott
Thank you for being a sensible mother 🥰
My DPs ex wife as I previously noted is unhinged and beyond bitter. She’s had the kids believing I was OW and stole their dad away from a perfect marriage!!! Accused my then DD12 of hacking her bank account and leaving them with no money!! It’s been hellish, thankfully we now ignore and minimise contact with her as kids are getting older and can sort things with their dad themselves.
I think her intent was to split us up, not to get him back but to ruin what she could of his life, she tried badmouthing him and his business on SM, anything to take her rage out. She acts like she’s the only person ever to be divorced or a single mum, it’s just insane & all done in front of the DC.
So, those pp blaming a new step parent have a look at the first wife.

WooMaWang · 25/10/2020 12:05

@SBTLove It is SO important that we give our kids permission to have a relationship with and enjoy time with their other parent. No matter what has happened between that parent and us.

My ex was awful to me. If it weren’t for DS, I’d never have anything more to do with him. Tbh, I have little to do with him. We parent in parallel with very little conflict (and DS never knows about anything we disagree on).

But, I make a point of not just avoiding being negative about DS’s father (where DS can hear). I actually try to be positive and encourage DS to feel positive about his time with his dad.

Even before I met DH, and long before I realised quite the damage parents can do by being imperial about their children’s affections and time, I recognised how important it is for DS to have the best possible relationship with his father, and to feel absolutely no guilt about loving him or wanting to spend time with him. Luckily (for all his many faults) my ex is on the same page with that.

acerred · 25/10/2020 12:09

I never saw my step siblings again and I've never seen my step children again so no, not really.

sassbott · 25/10/2020 12:21

I couldn’t agree more @WooMaWang. It is so important. For the children. My exh and I didn’t have an amicable separation but I didn’t want my children damaged. I am also intensely secure in my role as a mother. Another woman can love them/ care for them and vice versa. I know she won’t replace me (and she’s not trying to). Love is not finite, so many women miss that and it becomes about them/ their needs and a competition.

Thank you @SBTLove, I try. I just want my children to be happy. Their father is just as important as I am. And they deserve to be happy and have a fulfilling and happy relationship with him and whomever he chooses to spend his time.

I don’t think my current relationship will last. And it is all to do with the dysfunction around my DP’s DC, created entirely by him and his exwife. I don’t need it, certainly when my own life is peaceful and amicable.

I started this with high hopes. I am exceptionally fond of his DC but I know that for them to thrive, I need to step back. Their mother wants what she wants. My partner wants what he wants. How can I then layer in MY wants in all of this (and wanting a relationship with children that aren’t mine is my needs dominating). I won’t ever win this battle; the exwife cannot stand me. So what’s the point in continuing?

And as such, why on earth would I actively then stay in touch with the children? If I was asked to then of course I would FaceTime/ message/ send birthday card/ pressies etc. But at some point my DP would no doubt meet someone new, how is it then appropriate for my contact to remain?

It’s not.

widespreadpanic · 25/10/2020 13:35

I would...if they weren’t manipulative, shit stirring, and selfish.

SBTLove · 25/10/2020 14:23

@widespreadpanic
I could have wrote that 🤣

widespreadpanic · 25/10/2020 14:26

@SBTLove Im happy to know that I’m not the only one that feels that way 😂😂

SBTLove · 25/10/2020 15:14

Get a bit fed up with MN narrative that every child is angelic and if not they must have additional needs, nope some are just nasty people.

aSofaNearYou · 25/10/2020 16:20

Get a bit fed up with the MN narrative that every child is angelic and if not they must have additional needs, nope some are just nasty people.

That was surprisingly refreshing to read.

Wallywobbles · 25/10/2020 17:07

This should be obligatory reading for divorcing parents.

I encouraged my kids to have a good relationship with exh new partners. And after they split invited her to things and let the kids sleep over.

She was very nice. Sadly she could never quite believe that I wasn't the person exh had told her I was, despite the awful abuse he gave her. She was so scared of him and he'd messed badly with her head.

Eventually over time contact dropped off but if she got in contact I'd always be warm to her.

Wallywobbles · 25/10/2020 17:10

My step mum and my siblings and I are still close - much closer than she is with her own DS. But I think this is because there were no other parents so we were brought up as one family with one home. She's been my DSM for 40 years. Dad died a decade ago. My DSis was closer to my Dad than us too.

MeridianB · 25/10/2020 17:26

Brilliant posts by so many - esp @sassbott

The comments about exes tainting relationships between SPs and Scs is so true. And it’s probably the main reason why many SDs would not miss/keep in touch with their DSC. They are really happy to get the poisonous ex out of their lives.

I (and many, many others) have seen how jealous rage and bitterness can make a woman disadvantage and damage her own child purely to hit back at her ex or cause trouble for SM. It’s staggering.

The many, many unnecessary things DH’s ex has said and done, the emotional, logistical and financial trouble she has dreamed up and perpetuated, have taken real dedication on her part. For what? What an incredible waste of time and energy. What a disservice to her children and herself.

I never have or would say anything bad about her to DC but that is out of respect to them. But I have zero respect for her.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 25/10/2020 17:28

@aSofaNearYou

Get a bit fed up with the MN narrative that every child is angelic and if not they must have additional needs, nope some are just nasty people.

That was surprisingly refreshing to read.

Me too. No child can ever be unkind, or annoying, or make someone's life a living hell. And don't you dare point it out either Hmm
timeforanewstart · 25/10/2020 17:38

Totally depends in the relationship surely if you have been in sc life a long time and involved then you would prob feel upset , if you have minimal contact then you would feel different
But i know several people who have kept in contact with step parent as that person helped being them up and maybe thats all they know
My nephew keeps in contact with his stepdad as they were very close i think if he had walked away from him he would if been devastated as was in his life from 1 until 12

timeforanewstart · 25/10/2020 17:44

Op you explain you would have no desire to maintain a relationship would you take in to account their desires ? What if 5 years down the line you split and one of your sc is desperate to still maintain some contact etc would you just walk away ?
Its a very difficult subject to answer as every situation is unique but you seem to dismiss those that think differently to you but who may have a totally different relationship to their sc than you

FlippidyFlop · 25/10/2020 17:45

@timeforanewstart

Totally depends in the relationship surely if you have been in sc life a long time and involved then you would prob feel upset , if you have minimal contact then you would feel different But i know several people who have kept in contact with step parent as that person helped being them up and maybe thats all they know My nephew keeps in contact with his stepdad as they were very close i think if he had walked away from him he would if been devastated as was in his life from 1 until 12
Not necessarily, as I've said, my SC were fairly youngish when I met them ( 5 & 7 ) and they live with us 50% of the week so not EOW or anything.
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FlippidyFlop · 25/10/2020 17:47

@timeforanewstart

Op you explain you would have no desire to maintain a relationship would you take in to account their desires ? What if 5 years down the line you split and one of your sc is desperate to still maintain some contact etc would you just walk away ? Its a very difficult subject to answer as every situation is unique but you seem to dismiss those that think differently to you but who may have a totally different relationship to their sc than you
I've actually said a few times now that I would stay in touch if the children wanted me to, just that I personally wouldn't feel any need to if they weren't bothered.

I'm not sure how I'm dismissing others who feel differently? There are evidently step parents who would be bothered and upset about this and I've not once suggested that they shouldn't.

I've also said multiple times that there are lots of variables when it comes to SP which can create different relationships with the children, there is no one size fits all.

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timeforanewstart · 25/10/2020 17:52

Op 5 & 7 maybe not quite the same as say 1& 2 and you have said yourself you don't love them ,if others do that would make it a lot harder if they were to split

FlippidyFlop · 25/10/2020 17:53

@timeforanewstart

Op 5 & 7 maybe not quite the same as say 1& 2 and you have said yourself you don't love them ,if others do that would make it a lot harder if they were to split
Oh yes, I don't dispute that. If you do have that love and bond there then I'm sure it would be hard.
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