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How often does your DP contact ex?

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Andrewsgirl · 12/05/2018 17:20

Hi

Just wondered our often your DP was in contact with their ex?

My fiancé texts his ex wife maybe 5-10 times a day! Is always about the children or sharing photos, I am just beginning to feel like it's encroaching on our lives more that I would like.

We've come away for a weekend away and we're walking along the street last night (he was using his photo to navigate) we stopped at traffic lights and I leant over to kiss him and saw he was replying to a message to his ex. This has happens 3 or 4 times today while we've been sight seeing, they're chatting to each other about stuff about the kids. Nothing urgent, things such as hair cut and a forgotten trial session a sports clubs.

I did tactfully bring it up that I was feeling uncomfortable and my fiancé did say he was worried about how I felt but said their friendship was very important to him as was his ex wife's happiness !!!!

Please don't get me wrong I want them to be friends and have a good working relationship for the sake of the children. I just feel like the constant contact is an intrusion on our time together.

Not sure if I'm being rationale.

Sorry if this isn't the right part of the board but felt like the lost logical to ask other step parents.

Thanks x

OP posts:
Whattheactualfuckmate · 14/05/2018 14:03

don’t let him minimise your feelings OP

This isn’t normal and it’s really unfair to you. He DOES know it’s wrong - he is just completely minimising it and I’d go as far as gas lighting regarding the messages.

Your on a break away and he is constant contact with another woman - what does that tell you where his heart lies.

Don’t allow some one to treat you second best because if you let them - they will

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 14/05/2018 14:05

Okay maybe try and say that
A) do you think it would be okay for that amount with your Ex? (Having kids isn’t a get of jail free card)
B) it makes you feel uneasy, hurt, neglected and disloyal. And ask him if he thinks you are being unreasonable in those feelings?

He may need time to process it all. He’s obviously thought it was all fine. And his Ex will be thinking that too!

Desmondo2016 · 14/05/2018 14:12

Doesn't apply in my situation but if it did it would be essential communication only, save for sharing pics of kids in particularly special occasions, not just a Tuesday morning swing or a holiday pic but more being given a school award or winning a sports competition etc.

TwoDots · 14/05/2018 14:14

Agree desmondo

The sharing pics can sometimes get out of hand. My DP used to send pics of his dd on a swing etc. He soon realised it was ott so it is saved for occasions like first riding her bike, sports day, stuff like that

Andrewsgirl · 14/05/2018 14:29

I don't know how to get him to see that this is not normal. To try and understand why they are having so much contact. He just won't see and says I'm trying to control him. I told him he was in denial. And I do feel like I am completely losing the plot. My head and heart are telling me one thing and what he's saying is making me feel like I'm going mad !

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TwoDots · 14/05/2018 15:27

Here's the thing op, he has to see it, even slightly. If he starts pulling back with the contact, chances are the ex will have something to say about it. And she has a pretty powerful card "how things are currently is what is best for the children. You clearly don't care about them as much as your girlfriend" etc. That would ok be hard for him to deal with unless he's confident in what he's doing is the right thing. What I fear is that he will tell you there's minimal contact but actually be lying about it. Then that's a whole other issue for you (been there too)

You're not being controlling. You are communicating that you feel uncomfortable. Only you can decide what you will be comfortable with and if he can't compromise with you, I can't see this lasting op. It doesn't get better on its own

Andrewsgirl · 14/05/2018 15:43

I am determined to tackle this and address his properly. We are due to be getting married next year and I need to be sure where I stand and how he really feels (as opposed to what he says) I think he's either having this level of contact out of guilt or because he hasn't let go and having that contact makes him feel good.

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Magda72 · 14/05/2018 15:52

Op rest assured you're not going mad. I don't think anyone on this thread - even those in regular contact with their exes - has said you're being unreasonable, & for Mumsnet that's quite something!
@TwoDots is so right in her last post. He's very wrong in his assertion that you're controlling & that is pure denial & defense on his part.
Re the guilt thing; my exh left me & the kids (ow & other issues). To this day he will not admit to the affair (even though the dogs on the street know it happened). For months afterwards he rang me, checked up on me, offered to do my laundry, cut my grass etc. etc. (All the while he was seeing someone else). I was the one who kept saying no & discouraging the contact. The final straw for me came when he had the kids while I was away on holidays & decided to bring them over to my house a few evenings so they could play with their friends while he cooked dinner in MY kitchen. I know our situations aren't similar in one way, but his guilt drove all the above - I've left her & the kids but really I haven't as I'm soooo helpful & accommodating to everyone.
Thing is I refused to comply so he was sort of forced to give up. Your partner's ex is fully compliant here & whether intentional or not she's feeding the guilt.
Someone needs to put a stop to this or he'll never see the light. To be honest it sounds like they are stuck in a very codependent relationship where they are feeding off each other.
Is there any way you can get away by yourself? Would you leaving for a bit give your dp pause to think?

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 14/05/2018 16:29

That’s exactly what my. DP did, tell me I had the problem, I was ‘getting obsessed’, ‘controlling’ and that it was ‘none of my business’. And like twodots said, you can bet he’ll be getting kickback from his Ex who will be telling him ‘their’ communication is important, about the kids, and that ‘everything was perfectly fine until your gf had a problem’.

I did just try and ignore it a few times. But it didn’t make it better, I would just wonder why DPs phone was always buzzing, why he’d have to step out for a chat, why he seemed distracted, why it always felt odd at events, etc.

However unless as has been said he sees it, you will be blamed and made to feel that you are mad. Only the other day my DP said ‘why do you always go on about EW, you are obsessed, she’s moving on with her life’. I bought it up twice in the last six months, to point out it was one of the things holding us back. EW still contacts my DP more than I do!

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 14/05/2018 16:35

I don’t know if this helps, but in counseling, this was bought up. DP got immediately defensive and said ‘we just meet for coffee / do stuff for her in the house / text about the kids and it’s nothing to do with Bananas... she’s jealous.

And the counselor said

But if Bananas is uncomfortable, why wouldn’t you want to make her feel okay?
Is your relationship with EW more important than Bananas?

Have someone else ask that question had him completely stumped. He actually could not answer.

Maybe worth a try?

Magda72 · 14/05/2018 16:46

But if Bananas is uncomfortable, why wouldn’t you want to make her feel okay?
Is your relationship with EW more important than Bananas?

This!

TwoDots · 15/05/2018 11:04

Op, did you have a chat with DP last night?

Andrewsgirl · 15/05/2018 17:59

Yes we spoke but we didn't get anywhere, he can't see there was anything wrong with the level of contact and won't talk about why he feels he needs this level of contact with her. Sad

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Happinesss · 15/05/2018 18:00

So what are you going to do OP?

Can you accept this level of contact ? 60 messages while on a weekend away together is ridiculous.

I couldn’t accept it

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 15/05/2018 18:17

So he’s closed up now?

I wonder if getting away for the weekend might help you? Do something nice or visit a friend. Step out of it.

You will talk again I’m sure. A strong argument you have is that he’d not like it if your Ex did this.

bitzy12 · 15/05/2018 19:09

I'd just back off here then op. He needs to realise how much this is affecting you. Do what pp said, have some time for you. Step back abit. Easier said than done I know but I think it's your only option. X

SandyY2K · 15/05/2018 20:26

He's not going to stop and will just hide it from you.

The question that Bananas counsellor asked is spot on. It's how your behaviour makes your OH feel, regardless of the intent.

If you love someone you would consider how they feel and the fact that your fiance said he wouldn't like that level of contact between you and your Ex shows that he knows it's excessive.

He's just denying what he knows deep down to be true.

You arent controlling. He's saying that to deflect from the reality.

I'd say to leave it for now, but watch and see. Try your best to act normal. That will put him in relax mode and you can see if his level of contact with her changes by taking a look at his phone in about a months time.

I do think the bigger issue is that he doesnt think it's wrong. He's going to resent you if he feels forced to reduce contact with her.... but I reiterate you are not wrong here and you're not unreasonable.

Talith · 15/05/2018 20:32

XH and I communicate about contact and kids stuff. Two or three times a week and topic won't veer off kids. I wouldn't message at what I'd consider antisocial times, mega early or late or weekends unless it was urgent. Respectful but child focused. He does sound very chummy. This is lovely in some respects but I'd be feeling like there were three people in the relationship.

Fireandflames666 · 16/05/2018 14:17

This is troubling that people think ex partners can't message and talk about their children as and when they wish. Me and my ex message daily about how each other are and about the children. There is a big difference between caring about the mother/father or their children and not being over each other. You do sound overly jealous and controlling, instead of being mature and understanding.

bitzy12 · 16/05/2018 14:57

@Fireandflames666 to some extent you have a point. But 60 messages during a weekend that op is supposed to be spending with her fiancé? Absolutely not.

Communication is fine, you and your ex are always going to be in each other's lives due to having dc's together. That can't be helped. But there has to be a line drawn at where it ends. Ops partner has
not drawn this line. It's not fair for op to be in this relationship while he still has such a close relationship with an ex. Dcs mother or not.

Also the dcs sound older, he should be communication with them more if he wants to know how they are. Not the mother.

NightAndShiningArmour · 16/05/2018 15:07
Shock

YANBU!

My OH has 3 DCs, all with apparently the worlds busiest school/club/social lives which require organisation, and will correspond with his ExW only when necessary - once or twice a week maybe - and rarely by text.

TwoDots · 16/05/2018 15:27

@Fireandflames666 why would you want to message anyone daily to see how they are etc? I wouldn't do that with anyone but my partner but he's the one I'm most attached to. That's where I think there is a fine line, friendliness and being overly attached to a person

If I messaged friends daily they'd think I was mad

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 16/05/2018 18:25

@fireandflames I totally and utterly disagree. Daily contact between exes is unhealthy and a big sign that you have not moved on emotionally from the relationship. Children are a mere smokescreen. I think people can fool themselves that it is OK.

My DP was prepared to let the excessive contact cause a big rift in our relationship. What could be so important about daily contact with an Ex (rather than weekly contact) that you would let it damage your current relationship? What possible reason is there? Unresolved attachment which is going to mark anyone feel that you have a daily relationship with the Ex. Almost everything can be communicated weekly.

I know my DPs Ex still holds a flame for him, and this results in many issues like resentment and jealousy and manipulation all round. It would have been much better for her to have my DP keep the boundaries on their contact. Boundaries are there for a very, very good reason.

My Ex also had unresolved feelings for me for a long time. He’d be quite angry sometimes, and that was part of it. I know his girlfriend had a big issue with the kind of contact that he had with me, like late night texts, excessive communication, wanting to have lunches etc. And she was right. I knew he was partly doing it to hold on to part of what we had, he once loved me very much. Basically he didn’t want to lose me completely and was happy we’d had a child together as there was ‘no one else in the world he’d have rather had a child with.’ This was said when he’d been his wife a few years. This is what happens, the sentimental memories kick in and you can often see your Ex in the fantasy of what you had. It can then compare more favourably than your current, real, relationship. Or that bond over children can feel falsely very intimate, on a day when your current has pushed you off.

It’s just not a good idea. Relationships are very fragile and especially with exes and past kids, very difficult to build a solid bond. A lot of work! They really need a clear space free of daily Ex contact to achieve that.

That’s why I totally withdrew contact to a much more appropriate level with my Ex. I know it would have been so easy to carry on as it was. And it did often give me an ego boost. Conversations about ‘our boy’ did feel intimate and made me feel that I even though we’d separated, I still had a man in the background who would do an awful lot for me, while I knew still had love for me. But that wasn’t good for his wife, or my future! It’s like keeping up an emotional affair. And my Ex did sometimes start to share troubles in his own relationship. That frequent contact provides a bedrock where these, basically disloyal and hurtful sharing about the current partner can happen.

That someone would rather hurt and belittle their current partners legitimate (and definitely not controlling) feelings, rather than reduce (not stop) the frequency of contact is a big sign they don’t care enough about their new partner.

Apologies for the big rant! I think I do feel very strongly and feel for the OP, as my own relationship is irreversibly damaged by it. My Exes marriage would be too if I hadn’t stopped it. It’s not a trivial issue.

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 16/05/2018 18:27

Sorry for bad grammar!

wildgarlicflowers · 16/05/2018 18:40

You know deep down the answer to all of this, but reasonably see finding it hard to acknowledge it.

That level of contact is an emotional relationship, we can’t dress it up as anything else because it isn’t just one or two messages it is a huge amount, he also isn’t willing to stop and can’t tell you why he is doing this.

Clearly you are not a priority as he has just simply brushed off all efforts to come to an understanding about this, he seems to care very little about you and your feelings. You are most certainly third in the pecking order so to speak after his ex wife. If you can live with that then your self esteem really needs working on.

You have a lifetime of playing second fiddle and living in the shadow of their ‘relationship’ you are worth more than that.

Ultimatum, he either stops and reduces the messages to one a day and speaks to his ex or it is finished.