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Boundaries between boyfriend and his toddler daughter

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violaspring · 15/02/2015 19:50

Hi

A few weeks ago I entered a new relationship with a single father of a young girl (toddler).

I have been reading about step-parenting and some of the issues that can arise. This is partly because I feel I need to be aware of them just in case, but partly because I already have some concerns of my own. Mainly relating to boundaries between father and daughter. I have not yet met his daughter – these are my observations based on what I have seen and heard so far.

Some of the things that have bothered me are:

  • He has (no exaggeration) about 60 photos of his daughter (nobody else in them) around his home, and only a couple with other people in.

  • He calls his daughter “his Princess”. However, when he forgot about one of our dates a few weeks into our relationship and I said I always thought that if a guy really liked you, he would remember things like that and pull out all the stops, he told me that that was ‘fairytale’ thinking.

  • He said to me that Valentines Day was not important to him, but that it was an opportunity to give a nice gift. We exchanged cards and gifts. I knew that Valentines this year would fall on his weekend with having his daughter and I was not expecting him to change that. However, I was secretly disappointed not to have the opportunity to do something special with him. I guessed he would have a quiet evening at home with his daughter. I was wrong. He took his daughter out to dinner in the evening. Not something he normally does. Which makes me think that Valentines DOES mean something to him… if it involves his daughter. When I asked him about this, he again said that it was ‘just an opportunity to do something’. He also made no secret of his plans for Valentines evening amongst those who we know – which made me feel humiliated.

  • His daughter sleeps in his bed, but he says he tries to get her to sleep in her own bed. One time, he said to me that it would be nice if both his two favourite ladies (or something along those lines) could both sleep in his bed. Meaning her and me.

  • He tells me that a ‘beautiful little lady’ is coming to visit him for the weekend (barf), meaning his daughter. He also calls me his little lady.

  • There are two movies that he told me were ‘must sees’ and that I really ought to watch. So I did. Both were about “super dad”s who go to extreme lengths (killing people, willfully inflicting injury on themselves etc) to save their child and/or win the admiration of their child and ex wife. I can’t help but think it was pretty insensitive to get me to sit through BOTH of those movies.

It seems contradictory of him to expect me to take a more ‘alternative’ view of Valentines Day with few ‘fairytale’ expectations (which I generally do not have, though I can’t deny I like to be treated a little special – who doesn’t?), and yet he appears to be bringing up his daughter in a very conventional and princessy manner. For example, he calls her his “Princess”, reads her fairytales at bedtime, he buys her very gendered toys And takes her out to dinner on Valentines.

On top of this, his daughter’s mother occasionally threatens to stop him seeing his daughter. So he is fearful of doing anything that might jeopardise the present arrangements. This makes it difficult for him to present a girlfriend right now, for fear of what the mother could do.

I would be grateful for your thoughts on this. I am scared that there may be some red flags here, but don’t know if I am overreacting. Am I walking into something that I should run from?? Is there anything I can do?
I do not have children of my own. He has said to me that, all being well, he would like to get married and have more children however.

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Threeplus1 · 16/02/2015 13:16

OP is long gone it seems Hmm

Mixtape · 16/02/2015 13:18

Even if he did position it as a Valentine's dinner, I dtill don't find that odd. Me and DH have never celebrated Valentine's day in the slightest and he was at work from 4pm that day anyway, but I and my two DS's had a "Valentine's dinner" where we chose what to have and cooked something that had side dishes (what I class as a fancy dinner Wink) and had candles on the table. Not because of anything weird other than it just being for fun. I would be Hmm if anyone found that inappropriate.

hijk · 16/02/2015 13:23

sounds like a loving dad, nothing more nothing less.

I think you are the one with the problem, nothing personal, but it doesn't sound like you should be dating a father.

SurlyCue · 16/02/2015 14:01

but he could have got a babysitter for a few hours

It sounds as though he wouldnt have been taking OP out even if he hadnt had his DD. Im not sure the daughter being there is the reason OP didnt get a valentines day meal tbh.

needaholidaynow · 16/02/2015 14:06

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GotToBeInItToWinIt · 16/02/2015 14:07

I agree actually Mixtape. However it was positioned it was just a man taking his 2 year old out for dinner.

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PeruvianFoodLover · 16/02/2015 14:23

I agree with all the other posters who say that you should end the relationship - but for slightly different reasons.

You say in your OP that he suggested that it would be nice if the three of you; you, him and his DD, could co sleep together, because he would like it. IMO, there are two issues with that.

If he's saying the same thing to his DD, then she may feel pressured into cosleeping with you by him when she doesn't really want to. If she's comfortable cosleeping with him, that's one thing, but he shouldn't expect her to cosleep with you as well, just because he wants to. It also sounds as if he's sending mixed messages - is he encouraging her to sleep alone, or is he cosleeping? Again, neither is wrong, but add you to the equation and it gets even more complex.

Secondly (and more importantly), it's entirely your decision whether you are comfortable cosleeping with his DD, and it should not be something you tolerate or put up with just to keep either your BF, or his DD, happy. It's not unusual for cosleeping to last several years and I think it's important that you consider the long term implications and start as you mean to go on, so that everyone knows where they stand. If you agree to it reluctantly now during the early stages of your relationship, but want to change it in a year or two time, it'll be a lot harder.

He's been open about his expectations, but that doesn't mean you have to accept them.

TheMumsRush · 16/02/2015 15:10

I think it's safe to say the op has gone. I'm not surprised, some of the "advice" is down right rude. The op may not be right but do people have to be so mean?

quietlysuggests · 16/02/2015 15:38

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TheMumsRush · 16/02/2015 15:42

I don't know, I found penguinsaresmall post very rude and unhelpful, she wasn't the only one though, but that one really stood out to me.

threadposter · 16/02/2015 18:47

Hi, I am the OP. I had to re-register to come back on here. Feeling terrible after reading all your comments and then re-reading my original post. How nasty it is. I was so wrong. I do 'get' now that this is all normal - with the possible exception of his suggestion about his child co-sleeping with me, which I would not do - for her sake and mine.

Yes I am young and sadly there was no affection shown within my family of origin. Seems this this makes it a lot harder for me to understand expressions of affection in others. I will be seeking some help about this. and I will be cutting off any further contact with the young family discussed here. They deserve a lot more than what I can offer.

I have never thought there was anything 'sinister' going on though or that my bf was a pervert. Just that his behaviour might be a bit odd. When I said 'red flags' I meant stuff to look out for, but not necessarily 'danger!'

Also, I certainly would NOT expect the father to cancel his weekend time with his daughter so he could spend time with my. My concern was that he told me that Valentine's Day wasn't important to him, yet still observed it, and took his daughter out for dinner when he never does that any other night. He has every right to do that on Valentines Day - yes. What bothered me was that he seemed to pretend to me that Valentines wasn't important to him. I'd rather he'd just been upfront with me.

My understanding is that children of separated parents can sometimes be asked to meet the parent/s' emotional needs to a level that they are not equipped to handle. That was my concern - not just now but in the future. There are some stepmothers out there on the net who seem very much against some of the things I've talked about - say it's unhealthy, it's bad for the child, only gets worse, hurts the adult relationship etc. It's hard to know what to believe. Even in this thread, there have been total differences of opinion.

Yes I am feeling awful. But a lot of what has been said here has hit home. Thank you to those who contributed. I understand that this little girl's wellbeing and future are by far the most important thing to consider.

PeruvianFoodLover · 16/02/2015 18:48

Sometimes it's important to be a little rude, in the hope that op might be jolted a little.

Is that the updated version of the MN talk guidelines ? Wink

Arsenic · 16/02/2015 18:49

Hmm That's quite a volte face.

hijk · 16/02/2015 18:51

how nice of you to come back and say so. x

LovesBooks · 16/02/2015 18:52

Get out of the relationship.

He sounds like a good father, perhaps a bit OTT but a good father none the less whose most important person in his life is his daughter, as it should be.

You sound jealous and clearly can't handle a man with a child. If he read all this, he would probably dump you.

Arsenic · 16/02/2015 18:54

My understanding is that children of separated parents can sometimes be asked to meet the parent/s' emotional needs to a level that they are not equipped to handle. That was my concern - not just now but in the future. There are some stepmothers out there on the net who seem very much against some of the things I've talked about - say it's unhealthy, it's bad for the child, only gets worse, hurts the adult relationship etc. It's hard to know what to believe. Even in this thread, there have been total differences of opinion.*

Oh I see. You're a MWSer.

Leave them alone OP. You will only be damaging to this family.

threadposter · 16/02/2015 18:57

I'm breaking up with him. I do get it. We're not compatible.

PeruvianFoodLover · 16/02/2015 18:57

I x-posted, but it looks like quietly was right - rudeness plain speaking has had an affect. Smile

OP there are lots of differing opinions about this issue - you're right, some stepmums do post online about apparent emotional dependence of their DP on his DCs.
Every forum seems to have a different culture and view on the issue. If you find one that suits you better than MN, then that's great; no-one is right or wrong, it's just different opinions about a very emotive issue.

Arsenic · 16/02/2015 18:58

It really ISN'T 'hard to know what to believe'. Just don't think weird things about small girls. HTH.

Arsenic · 16/02/2015 18:59

I x-posted, but it looks like quietly was right - rudeness plain speaking has had an affect

Maybe partially. Always assuming that that IS the OP....

PeruvianFoodLover · 16/02/2015 19:01

op I'm sure you've not decided to split with your DP on the basis of a few comments by strangers on the internet!

Give it some thought and read some more views and opinions before you make any hasty decisions.

threadposter · 16/02/2015 19:04

I just feel terrible. I did not have a good childhood myself and certainly do not want to replicate that with my own (hypothetical) child or anybody else's.

snapple · 16/02/2015 19:06

Wow my two year old has never ever slept in a cot. My five year old starts in his bed but always moves in with an adult for a cuddle.

I think they like the snuggles. I do not think a cooker is a girl only toy.

Of course a two year old is going to be the centre of his world.

Hope it all works out for you op.

Arsenic · 16/02/2015 19:07

I did not have a good childhood myself and certainly do not want to replicate that with my own (hypothetical) child or anybody else's.

Very glad to hear it.