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Boundaries between boyfriend and his toddler daughter

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violaspring · 15/02/2015 19:50

Hi

A few weeks ago I entered a new relationship with a single father of a young girl (toddler).

I have been reading about step-parenting and some of the issues that can arise. This is partly because I feel I need to be aware of them just in case, but partly because I already have some concerns of my own. Mainly relating to boundaries between father and daughter. I have not yet met his daughter – these are my observations based on what I have seen and heard so far.

Some of the things that have bothered me are:

  • He has (no exaggeration) about 60 photos of his daughter (nobody else in them) around his home, and only a couple with other people in.

  • He calls his daughter “his Princess”. However, when he forgot about one of our dates a few weeks into our relationship and I said I always thought that if a guy really liked you, he would remember things like that and pull out all the stops, he told me that that was ‘fairytale’ thinking.

  • He said to me that Valentines Day was not important to him, but that it was an opportunity to give a nice gift. We exchanged cards and gifts. I knew that Valentines this year would fall on his weekend with having his daughter and I was not expecting him to change that. However, I was secretly disappointed not to have the opportunity to do something special with him. I guessed he would have a quiet evening at home with his daughter. I was wrong. He took his daughter out to dinner in the evening. Not something he normally does. Which makes me think that Valentines DOES mean something to him… if it involves his daughter. When I asked him about this, he again said that it was ‘just an opportunity to do something’. He also made no secret of his plans for Valentines evening amongst those who we know – which made me feel humiliated.

  • His daughter sleeps in his bed, but he says he tries to get her to sleep in her own bed. One time, he said to me that it would be nice if both his two favourite ladies (or something along those lines) could both sleep in his bed. Meaning her and me.

  • He tells me that a ‘beautiful little lady’ is coming to visit him for the weekend (barf), meaning his daughter. He also calls me his little lady.

  • There are two movies that he told me were ‘must sees’ and that I really ought to watch. So I did. Both were about “super dad”s who go to extreme lengths (killing people, willfully inflicting injury on themselves etc) to save their child and/or win the admiration of their child and ex wife. I can’t help but think it was pretty insensitive to get me to sit through BOTH of those movies.

It seems contradictory of him to expect me to take a more ‘alternative’ view of Valentines Day with few ‘fairytale’ expectations (which I generally do not have, though I can’t deny I like to be treated a little special – who doesn’t?), and yet he appears to be bringing up his daughter in a very conventional and princessy manner. For example, he calls her his “Princess”, reads her fairytales at bedtime, he buys her very gendered toys And takes her out to dinner on Valentines.

On top of this, his daughter’s mother occasionally threatens to stop him seeing his daughter. So he is fearful of doing anything that might jeopardise the present arrangements. This makes it difficult for him to present a girlfriend right now, for fear of what the mother could do.

I would be grateful for your thoughts on this. I am scared that there may be some red flags here, but don’t know if I am overreacting. Am I walking into something that I should run from?? Is there anything I can do?
I do not have children of my own. He has said to me that, all being well, he would like to get married and have more children however.

OP posts:
WestEast · 15/02/2015 20:06

It does come across as a bit jealous. However (as a woman who's DP has a child) it is somewhat understandable.
A relationship with someone who has a child already is different. You don't come first and you shouldn't. But that doesn't make it easy to accept. Impromptu dates etc aren't as easy because of the child, someone else's needs above yours. It took me a while to understand this, I felt awful knowing I was jealous. But it settled, I clicked, I come second, and that's how it should be, his child should always, always be first, IMO anyway.

Koalafications · 15/02/2015 20:09

If he had a son would it still be weird?

BMO · 15/02/2015 20:09

Taking her out for dinner - presumably we're talking chips and ice cream at Giraffe rather than a 3 course Valentine's menu Grin

Sounds like he loves his daughter and is trying to adjust to living away from her.

All the "princess" stuff would annoy me but it's just not my style.

TyrannosaurusBex · 15/02/2015 20:10

It sounds like she is by far the most important person in his life, and that is as it should be. My feeling is that he would be better off in a relationship with somebody who has children of her own. You would be better off, I think, in a relationship with somebody who can put you first, which is a reasonable thing to want. Best of luck.

YouKnowNothinJonSnow · 15/02/2015 20:10

Sounds like a normal father/daughter relationship to me.

You keep saying you're not jealous but comments like "He tells me that a ‘beautiful little lady’ is coming to visit him for the weekend (barf), meaning his daughter." make you sound green with envy. You're jealous that he took his daughter out on Valentine's day. Hmm

Look, you're clearly not suited to dating someone who has kids. You're obviously used to being the centre of attention in a relationship and you can't have that when someone has kids. If you're this jealous of his daughter now when she's only a little toddler, god help you when she reaches her teens!

Viviennemary · 15/02/2015 20:10

It sounds as if you are not happy about the close relationship he has with his little daughter. I think if you feel like this now things will get worse. Move on and find somebody else would be my advice. Instead of making such a big issue of how he is treating his child.

YouMeddlingKids · 15/02/2015 20:12

If I was you I would think seriously about ending the relationship. Being with someone with a child means that you'll always come second best, and it sounds as if you're not enjoying that (which is fair enough!). Nothing wrong with wanting to be number one in someones life, and wanting a bit of a fairy tale in the early days... but it doesn't sound as if you're going to get it with this man.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 15/02/2015 20:12

Most of what you've said is TOTALLY normal. I was out last night and almost every other table (it was early) were parents out with their kids. For kids, it's just "Saturday" not Valentine's day! And also, Valentine's day is becoming much more about showing love for people generally, not just a romantic thing.

The only two bits that worry me a bit are:

-His daughter sleeps in his bed, but he says he tries to get her to sleep in her own bed. One time, he said to me that it would be nice if both his two favourite ladies (or something along those lines) could both sleep in his bed. Meaning her and me.

(That is pretty odd!)

-He tells me that a ‘beautiful little lady’ is coming to visit him for the weekend (barf), meaning his daughter. He also calls me his little lady.

(Calling an adult woman a little lady is just so patronising, but it's obviously just a turn of phrase to him)

RabbitSaysWoof · 15/02/2015 20:14

I went out with someone like this (just switch Princess to Angel and he could be the same person) Didn't last long, but for me I wanted kids of my own, I'd been pissed around by someone saying he would want them one day and I really felt like this person was rubbing it in my face that he had one.
I absolutely was not jealous of he's daughter, I hadn't even been with him long enough to have strong feelings for him to even care that he had a stronger relationship with someone else than me, but he was so bloody over the top about her I felt embarrassed for him every time he talked about her it was really cheesy.
That coupled with the fact that I knew I wouldn't want a child of my own one day to be parented by that type of person.

ImTakingTheEssence · 15/02/2015 20:14

I think you should date a single guy with no children so you don't have to share. Im a single parent and you do put your child first and get used to doing things together like meals out sleeping in the same bed to get some peace and all the other joys of parenting. I think if you want this to work your going to have to include his daughter and get to know her not see her as an obstacle.

Mixtape · 15/02/2015 20:16

I agree about the sleeping in bed comment, but context is everything. Without knowing his personality / how it was said, it is very innocuous.

Jumblebee · 15/02/2015 20:17

I read this to my DP and said imagine he was your DP.

His instant reaction was "she sounds crazy and jealous". Sorry OP but you sound incredibly jealous. And it's no use saying you don't appreciate being accused of being jealous, you posted on a forum asking for opinions and you're getting everyone's honest opinions.

IMO he sounds like a great dad. You should probably break up because it doesn't sound like you enjoy being his second priority.

soontobemumofthree · 15/02/2015 20:24

She is his daughter and sounds like he has made a commitment to be one of the most important and present people in her life, for life.
So I imagine you will have to consider that this won't change, even if you do get married and have children, he will still have to keep the access arrangements as priority and she will always be his princess.

He probably imagined himself as the hero of the movies (maybe) so can't see it as 'insensitive'. After my first child was born it was the first time I could imagine killing someone (in a hypothetical scenario where dc would die and the only intervention was my killing someone!). I might do it for other people but it was an awareness of feeling it's my responsibility to defend this child. Can't really explain it better than that.

springalong · 15/02/2015 20:25

I personally find some of what you posted rather peculiar behaviour from the dad. Valentines day is for me about couples in a romantic relationship - not about children. But then I am older (quite old truthfully) so that is possibly a generational thing.

Also I cannot bear girls particularly being called Princess but again I am a feminist so find that quite sexist and patronising.

It sounds as if you have different styles and approaches so perhaps call it a day.

HangingInAGruffaloStance · 15/02/2015 20:25

He sounds like a good Dad, maybe misses his daughter a lot, that is not a bad thing.

If you aren't comfortable with it maybe just move on to someone without kids. If you want kids one day have them with someone
Iike this though, not some dick who doesn't treasure his children.

TheMumsRush · 15/02/2015 20:28

Im not that old spring and I agree with you, mid thirties is young right?

soontobemumofthree · 15/02/2015 20:29

Plus at school my 3 children all made me valentines day cards, so they think it's a day to say 'I love you' rather than a day exclusive for adult romantic love.

mrsdicaprio · 15/02/2015 20:29

There are some massive red flags here and yes you should run.
The red flags being the fact you clearly are not mature enough to be in this relationship and you should run before you come between them (which you seem like you want to do).

He sounds like he is being a thoughtful and caring parent.
Is it normal and healthy to sleep with a toddler sometimes regardless of gender? Yes!
To buy them lots of toys? Yes
To make them feel special? Yes
To take them out to dinner for even just the two of them? Yes.. I do this with my son all of the time. Does that make me inappropriate?
To not introduce a new partner until everyone is comfortable? Yes

To me it sounds like a good thing he hasn't introduced you to his daughter yet, because if these are your feelings she doesn't need to be messed around getting to know someone like you until you know you are ready to commit to them. Which you don't sound like you do.

Justmuddlingalong · 15/02/2015 20:31

His behaviour sounds like he could be over compensating when he does see his daughter. But as you've only been seeing him for a few months, if it makes you unhappy or uncomfortable, there is nothing stopping you from walking away now.

GotToBeInItToWinIt · 15/02/2015 20:33

He sounds like a lovely dad who adores his daughter.

WorkingBling · 15/02/2015 20:40

He sounds like a dad putting his daughter first. Personally, I am not wild about phrases like "princess" or "lovely little lady" for children or adults but I don't think it's sinister. I suspect he just has a certain view of make/female relationships.

You clearly aren't happy being number 2 so I would move on.

thepurplehen · 15/02/2015 21:26

He sounds like he's over compensating and you're right to hear the alarm bells.

I think he's naive to think that you will always expect last place as he has a daughter.

That doesn't mean he should neglect his daughter but if you want to have a new relationship you have to make compromises.

Is he prepared to make those compromises?

violaspring · 15/02/2015 21:30

Hi, just to let you know I have requested the deletion of this thread due to concerns about identification IRL. Thanks to everyone who responded and sorry for the deletion.

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Noctilucent · 15/02/2015 21:33

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AgentProvocateur · 15/02/2015 21:33

Really? Or did you just not like the answers.