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Boundaries between boyfriend and his toddler daughter

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violaspring · 15/02/2015 19:50

Hi

A few weeks ago I entered a new relationship with a single father of a young girl (toddler).

I have been reading about step-parenting and some of the issues that can arise. This is partly because I feel I need to be aware of them just in case, but partly because I already have some concerns of my own. Mainly relating to boundaries between father and daughter. I have not yet met his daughter – these are my observations based on what I have seen and heard so far.

Some of the things that have bothered me are:

  • He has (no exaggeration) about 60 photos of his daughter (nobody else in them) around his home, and only a couple with other people in.

  • He calls his daughter “his Princess”. However, when he forgot about one of our dates a few weeks into our relationship and I said I always thought that if a guy really liked you, he would remember things like that and pull out all the stops, he told me that that was ‘fairytale’ thinking.

  • He said to me that Valentines Day was not important to him, but that it was an opportunity to give a nice gift. We exchanged cards and gifts. I knew that Valentines this year would fall on his weekend with having his daughter and I was not expecting him to change that. However, I was secretly disappointed not to have the opportunity to do something special with him. I guessed he would have a quiet evening at home with his daughter. I was wrong. He took his daughter out to dinner in the evening. Not something he normally does. Which makes me think that Valentines DOES mean something to him… if it involves his daughter. When I asked him about this, he again said that it was ‘just an opportunity to do something’. He also made no secret of his plans for Valentines evening amongst those who we know – which made me feel humiliated.

  • His daughter sleeps in his bed, but he says he tries to get her to sleep in her own bed. One time, he said to me that it would be nice if both his two favourite ladies (or something along those lines) could both sleep in his bed. Meaning her and me.

  • He tells me that a ‘beautiful little lady’ is coming to visit him for the weekend (barf), meaning his daughter. He also calls me his little lady.

  • There are two movies that he told me were ‘must sees’ and that I really ought to watch. So I did. Both were about “super dad”s who go to extreme lengths (killing people, willfully inflicting injury on themselves etc) to save their child and/or win the admiration of their child and ex wife. I can’t help but think it was pretty insensitive to get me to sit through BOTH of those movies.

It seems contradictory of him to expect me to take a more ‘alternative’ view of Valentines Day with few ‘fairytale’ expectations (which I generally do not have, though I can’t deny I like to be treated a little special – who doesn’t?), and yet he appears to be bringing up his daughter in a very conventional and princessy manner. For example, he calls her his “Princess”, reads her fairytales at bedtime, he buys her very gendered toys And takes her out to dinner on Valentines.

On top of this, his daughter’s mother occasionally threatens to stop him seeing his daughter. So he is fearful of doing anything that might jeopardise the present arrangements. This makes it difficult for him to present a girlfriend right now, for fear of what the mother could do.

I would be grateful for your thoughts on this. I am scared that there may be some red flags here, but don’t know if I am overreacting. Am I walking into something that I should run from?? Is there anything I can do?
I do not have children of my own. He has said to me that, all being well, he would like to get married and have more children however.

OP posts:
WineWineWine · 15/02/2015 23:36

It is lovely to hear about this wonderful dad putting so much effort into the relationship he has with his daughter.

I don't think you are cut out to date a guy with kids.

Mixtape · 16/02/2015 05:56

For some reason, in my head, the OP's boyfriend has become very like Danny Dyer.

PerpendicularVincenzo · 16/02/2015 06:10

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differentnameforthis · 16/02/2015 06:19

He took his 2 year old daughter out to dinner in the evening. Not something he normally does. Which makes me think that Valentines DOES mean something to him

No, his daughter means something to him. God forbid a man loves his daughter enough to spend time with her!

I doubt he took her out for V day...it was his weekend to have her, he wanted to take her out to dinner, it just happened to be V day! I think you are reading way more into that than needs be

You sound bitter, op..like you are jealous that she also gets his time & attention.

But it concerns me if he chooses to undertake activities with his daughter that are generally understood to be reserved for boyfriend-girlfriend type relationships. Valentines day? Well, over the years it has evolved. Kids make their parents stuff at school, some shops sell valentines stuff that is aimed at kids, I have seen cards with "happy valentines day mummy/daddy" on them. As with most consumer based holidays it is no longer about (what it should be about) couples, but about how much the stores/restaurants/florists etc can make from gullible human beings who need prompting into making declarations of love.

If you don't like being called his little lady, tell him!

Him sharing a bed with her isn't odd, or unusual. My 6yr old is a regular visitor to our bed & often times just dh is in there as I go to bed later because I spend too much time on mn.

Valentines day is for me about couples in a romantic relationship - not about children I have heard that a lot in all sorts of forms recently...I wonder if it is because sex is often heavily linked in with V day (sexy cards, buying of sexy undies for the woman, "wining & dining", proposing etc). To me, it's a money making scam. If people buy into it, fine. But I don't think it matters that it now involves families...these things evolve. Christmas wasn't all about seeing who spends/eats the most, Easter wasn't always about chocolate, but they evolved.

differentnameforthis · 16/02/2015 06:22

Ugh, you've tried to twist the innocent actions of a caring dad into something wrong. Thank goodness the majority of people don't agree with you.

It does very much sound like that, doesn't it.

differentnameforthis · 16/02/2015 06:26

Nobody i know behaves like he does, its weird.

Like what?

My dh calls my girls his princesses (I don't like it, but they do)
My dh co sleeps with our youngest
My dh takes our girls out to dinner/lunch
My dh has photos of our girls by his bed, in his shed & at his desk at work
My dh calls me by a pet name
My dh was ropable when he found out that our little girl had been hit a few times by her best friend at school...

There is NOTHING in that that shows any cause for concern, imo. Normal father behaviour.

differentnameforthis · 16/02/2015 06:29

but I call my kids sweetheart, sweetie, darling etc Snap! My 6yr old loves to be called baby as does my 11yr old, but you'll never get her to admit it

differentnameforthis · 16/02/2015 06:35

To be honest I would dump anyone who called me "his little lady".

As long as there were no other unfavourable things going on, I think I'd ask him to stop first, explaining why I didn't like it.

If he persisted, then yes, dumped!

HedgehogsDontBite · 16/02/2015 06:35

Why are you even with a guy you suspect is a pervert?

I think you should raise your concerns with him so he can address them properly by dumping you faster than you can say jealius nut job

Tryharder · 16/02/2015 08:55

I'm not going to flame you OP.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with a young woman wanting to be the centre of attention in a new relationship. When I was in my 20s, I wouldn't have wanted to be all understanding about the fact that I was second best behind a toddler.

This man is being a good Dad and we should commend him.

However as the situation is not for you, then do what's been suggested- find someone without children who will put you first.

When you're in your 20s, you absolutely shouldn't have to compromise in relationships.

PiratePanda · 16/02/2015 09:36

Oh for goodness sake find yourself another partner and leave this poor guy alone. He sounds to me like a really good, loving dad who misses his daughter, and you don't sound like you're yet in the right stage of life to appreciate that. The two of you are incompatible; time to move on.

Petal02 · 16/02/2015 11:24

OP - he is massively overcompensating, and sounds like a guilt-ridden, non resident father who places his child on a pedestal because he feels bad about her having separated parents.

Run, and don't look back. This won't get any better. A man who would rather take a toddler out for a valentines dinner, in preference to his girlfriend, has some serious boundary issues.

BrainyMess · 16/02/2015 11:59

Hi OP

Sorry that you've been harshly treated here. Some people forget what it was like before children. I personally had no liking or understanding of children or parenthood until I became a mum.

Anyway I agreed wholeheartedly with Petal. This guy is seriously overcompensating as a separated parent. His anxiety will be made worse by the ex threatening to stop contact.

You are in the fallout of a failed relationship with a child involved. Given the child is only 2 his feelings and anxiety will be very raw.

He really needed to sort his stuff out before dating anyone IMO

My advice run and don't look back. He is simply not ready for a relationship.

Good Luck :)

notarehearsal · 16/02/2015 12:25

Immediate thoughts were how lovely for this little girl that her father, the first male in her life, is treating her as someone of great importance. Lets hope this continues in the next relationships she has with the opposite sex. Im really unsure how I would've felt before having children had I been in the same position as OP and have a feeling I just wouldn't have got it or been able to be supportive

SurlyCue · 16/02/2015 12:47

A man who would rather take a toddler out for a valentines dinner, in preference to his girlfriend, has some serious boundary issues.

It was his weekend with his daughter. Did you expect him to cancel contact for a woman hes known 2 months?

LIZS · 16/02/2015 12:51

I can just imagine the thread if the ex had come on here and said her dd's father had cancelled contact to take his new gf out !

Floggingmolly · 16/02/2015 12:56

What boundaries is he breaching, exactly? If you can't deal with someone who has to make time for people other than you in his life (pretty much everyone, I'd have thought?), he's really not for you.
It's your issue though, don't accuse him of having screwed up boundaries because he puts his little girl first.

Petal02 · 16/02/2015 12:57

No one was suggesting he cancelled contact, but he could have got a babysitter for a few hours? I think the point the OP was making, is that her DP insisted valentines day wasn't important to him, yet then took his daughter out that night.

The other undercurrent here, is that valentines day is usually celebrated by people in some sort of romantic relationship with each other, not father/toddler.

It's just a bit odd, and I can totally see the OP's point.

Floggingmolly · 16/02/2015 13:01

Maybe it just happened to be his night to have her? Confused. I hardly imagine it was a candlelight dinner a deux, complete with roses and champagne.
Probably Pizza Hut. Or McDonalds Grin

Auburnsparkle · 16/02/2015 13:03

I wish my DD's father would pick up the phone to contact her. 3 years and still waiting. Yes maybe your DP does over compensate and the princess stuff is something I am not keen on, but bloody hell, isn't it great he makes such an effort with his daughter. If I met a new bloke who had kids I wouldn't be with him unless he put them first. That is what parenting is all about isn't it?

GotToBeInItToWinIt · 16/02/2015 13:09

Petal surely it wasn't about celebrating valentines day with her (she's 2!) but taking his daughter for dinner on a contact weekend? Unless he specifically positioned it as a valentines meal!

CosmicDespot · 16/02/2015 13:12

Why would he get a babysitter? Just to please some woman he has known for two months? He is quite right to prefer to spend his limited contact time with his child. It's not 'a bit odd' that he went out to dinner with his child. Hmm

Petal02 · 16/02/2015 13:12

That was my interpretation of the post that started this thread?

Petal02 · 16/02/2015 13:14

Sorry, cross posted - I mean that I got the impression from the starting thread that, and I quote: "that he takes her out to dinner on valentines". Perhaps the OP can come back and clarify?

GotToBeInItToWinIt · 16/02/2015 13:16

Why would he get a babysitter on his contact weekend?! I imagine he feels he sees little enough of her as it is! Not odd in the slightest. And not everyone has available babysitters/money to pay for ones. DH and I didn't go out for valentines day as we couldn't get a babysitter for our toddler DD.

I don't think OP is being unreasonable to not want to come second in a relationship. If that's the case, she should find someone who is in a situation to put her first. What I do think is massively unreasonable is the insinuation that there's something creepy or sinister with regards to his loving relationship with his daughter. There are so many non resident parents who don't give a shit.