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Dsd private schooled: I find it embarassing

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Onthedoorstep · 20/05/2014 07:55

Just that really.

My family are all teachers! In state schools. Private schooling was something I was brought up to think it inherently wrong.

Dsd goes to a well known private school. Dh and I struggle financially but this was part of his divorce agreement.

Dsd is a teenager and talks loudly about it a lot - what I did in Ancient Greek / hockey today / how amazing my school is.

I find it so Embarassing that it's making me want to avoid family events. I don't know how to handle it AT ALL.

Please talk some sense into me. This is becoming a massive issue for me.

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TheWordFactory · 20/05/2014 10:03

Oh fide it seems to me that this is putting all the onus on the child.

Would we expect a state educated child to talk around their day to day experience because it made some adults prickly?

No we would not.

This is a child talking about how much she likes Greek and Hockey. If the adults can't indulge that on the very odd occasion they meet her, then they need top have a good look at themselves!

MarianneSolong · 20/05/2014 10:06

Well I think I'm sophisticated enough to have realised at that point that my 10 year old was relatively naive as a result of having gone to an exclusive/excluding church school in an area where any kids who had special needs were weeded out pretty damn quick. All his playmates went to the same school and he just thought the focus on what secondary school you went to - and being maneouvred/coached into the one that was 'perceived' best - was a universal experience. Some children have/are given a wider and more diverse group of friends, relatives etc.

I was pretty adult as a stepmother. It's just nice when other adults are adult enough to realise it's a tough job. (Some do. Some don't.)

bunnybing · 20/05/2014 10:12

You say there's been some denigration - do you mean from you family's side towards your step-daughter? Do you think it's just down to the schooling issue, or does it come down to a personality clash?

Perhaps your step-dd is bored at these type of social events (as a lot of teenagers are) and is saying things deliberately to get a reaction?

JugglingFromHereToThere · 20/05/2014 10:15

School is school.
Yes some, both state and independent, may be better than others,
but really, you need a sense of perspective about this.
She's happy with her school, so see if you can support her and be happy about it too?

Rommell · 20/05/2014 10:18

Lol @ people saying that criticising the entrenchment of privilege through paying for education is 'intolerant'. Yeah, all of those Jeremys and Sebastians are just like Rosa Parks really.

Ffs.

FidelineandFumblin · 20/05/2014 10:22

Would we expect a state educated child to talk around their day to day experience because it made some adults prickly?

Depends what it was. Hockey and Ancient Greek are subjects with limited mileage for small talk anyway, regardless of where they are studied.

stealthsquiggle · 20/05/2014 10:24

I haven't read the whole thread, I'm afraid, but the OP made me really very cross indeed.

If your family of presumably educated people, given that they are teachers, can't see past the type of school to engage with a teenager who enjoys school and is thriving, then they are a nasty narrow minded lot who I wouldn't want teaching my DC in any school.

Rommell · 20/05/2014 10:24

I certainly tell my (state school educated) DS to avoid getting into conversations on matters that others might find contentious - what matters those are depends on who he is talking to. Surely teaching a child manners is important?

FidelineandFumblin · 20/05/2014 10:26

Exactly Rommell, I'm surprised it's such a controversial notion.

weatherall · 20/05/2014 10:26

I don't really see this as being about schools.

It's one of those in law clashes that lots f families have. It is further complicated by the step child and divorce issue.

If the divorce terms are causing hardship is there any scope to alter them?

IsItMeOr · 20/05/2014 10:26

Marianne sorry if I seemed critical of you - I'm sure you were adult about it.

I think WordFactory expressed the sentiment more elegantly in her 10:03 post.

zzzzz · 20/05/2014 10:29

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HavantGuard · 20/05/2014 10:29

I can't see why you're worried about their opinion when they couldn't be bothered to involve themselves in decisions about your education.

lunar1 · 20/05/2014 10:35

You became step mum in a family where their choices are fundamentally against your beliefs? I think this is an odd decision and says more about you than it does about your partner and child.

Did you think they would change once you were integrated into the family? I know it's not possible to know what you are getting into when you become a step parent but this is different.

You need to grow up, these decisions were in place before you came along. Either get over it or leave and find someone to spend your life with who has similar world views you you.

Impatientismymiddlename · 20/05/2014 10:41

What bothers you the most?
Is it that your DSD goes to a school that she likes and that she enjoys certain subjects very much?
Or is it that you resent the money it is costing you and your husband?

You want approval from family members that you hardly see and are therefore feeling embarrassed and resentful of the fact that your DSD goes to a well known private school funded by your husband?
I really think that you need to realise that you are an adult and that your DSD is the child as I think that you have gotten the roles a little mixed up.

StillProcrastinating · 20/05/2014 10:45

Is DSD aware of how you and your family feel about private school, and therefore making more comments about her school than she would otherwise, to defend her way of life?

Random thought - my parents didn't tell me who they voted for until I was in my mid twenties. We had discussions about economic and social issues (what is fair, what is just, who should get what etc). But they never told me who they actually voted for. They thought I needed to make up my own mind and not be influenced by them. I really like that approach, but appreciate others won't.

PaulinesPen · 20/05/2014 10:49

I feel very sorry for the daughter in this. She'll know something is up but probabaly not what. And all she can do is chatter on about her world (the way any child does within their family) and gets a chilly reception for it. Poor kidSad

MarianneSolong · 20/05/2014 10:50

I think it is sometimes very difficult to know how to cope with the sheer range of people's experiences. It's not just children who (as has been rightly pointed out) don't know how the other half lives.

My husband was recently involved in administering a donation that had been made to a religious group in somebody's will. The money was to go to support someone in the area in educational need. So every term my husband would buy a bus pass that would enable a teenager who had arrived here as a refugee to buy the bus pass that would permit him to get to college. His father couldn't have any recourse to public funds, so couldn't afford to help his son get to college.

At about this time I was rung up by a very well-spoken student from my former college soliciting charitable donations. As part of her fundraising pitch she suggested I might like to give to a fund that students could apply to if they wished to travel for some kind of enriching/educational purpose. She herself had benefited from this fund and gone on a fantastic trip to Italy. She told me 'Of course I could have applied to other grant making trusts for money but they demand to know all sorts of things, and it's so boring. I couldn't be bothered. It's great the college could give me the money.'

I am sure that on one level she was an intelligent and well-intentioned young woman. But I thought she came over as rather lazy and stupid. I thanked her for her time, but said I wouldn't be giving her money

It made me feel angry that one young man is dependent on charity for the absolute basics of getting to college, while another young woman - already very privileged - got given so much more.

AgaPanthers · 20/05/2014 10:56

How bizarre.

When I came home from school my parents always asked me what I did at school today.

It seems like a normal topic of conversation really.

Not sure what's wrong with Greek and hockey.

mercibucket · 20/05/2014 10:59

wont do a teenager any harm to be aware of the enormously privileged position she is in and to show some tact when talking about school.

BranchingOut · 20/05/2014 11:07

I grew up in a well-to-do area where many children were educated privately. I went to a state primary and an excellent state secondary where there were some children from very wealthy backgrounds, but also many children who came from poorer backgrounds. (I suspect that the catchment is quite different now and that the school is a lot harder to get into, so probably more socially homogenous :( ).

I came out with Oxbridge-level A Level points and almost a full house of A grades (No stars back then!), but while the teaching was very strong, getting to that point required a lot of my own initiative beyond that provided in the classroom, spoon-feeding was non-existent and, in the lower years of the school, there was definitely a culture where it was not cool to be clever, or get good marks. So getting to those final grades was probably harder than it would have been had I been sent to one of the many 'naice' girls' schools in the local area. I also completely lack the inbuilt workplace/social confidence that seems to come with private education and only really developed it in my late twenties/early thirties and particularly since becoming a parent and, basically, giving less of a fuck!

However, I do remember it being a bit of a minefield in the teen years and friends' parents making an issue of where people went to school. For example, polite or not so polite suprise when I revealed that I went to the comprehensive. A friend, who left my school and went to a small and not-very-academic private school, commenting that people from her school regarded mine as 'rough' and that the families she babysat for were doubtful about having me babysit as I came from a state school. Hmm It also cut both ways: I blush to remember teenage me sitting in the back of someone's car, surrounded by privately educated acquaintances, confidently commenting that I didn't see why people needed to pay for education as surely you could work hard and get A's at a state school, just like I could...Blush. To make matters more complicated, I also had a weekend job at a local girls' boarding school where teachers were politely astonished to find out that I, in my catering uniform and rubber gloves, was also doing A Levels and heading for university.

Anyway, my main point is that no-one enjoys people who are indiscreet or loud, so a word in DsD's ear might be useful.

On the other hand, you should also tell your family to unpurse their lips and be supportive of your lovely young stepdaughter and interested in her activities and achievements.

Impatientismymiddlename · 20/05/2014 11:07

wont do a teenager any harm to be aware of the enormously privileged position she is in and to show some tact when talking about school.

What is tactless about a teenager coming home and saying what a great day she has had and how much she enjoyed hockey and Ancient Greek?
Enjoying school isn't the preserve of children at private schools.

It seems the complex lies with the OP who is supposed to be an adult, not her DSD who simply likes the school that she attends.

Aqualegia · 20/05/2014 11:11

OnTheDoorstep - I love you. I am in a similar position, but try very hard not to voice it.

I am, like you, very left wing, but was also privately schooled (via a scholarship) - my cognitive dissonance is crippling. I didn't have a great time at school, but I did receive a very solid education.

My suggestion to you is to play bingo with the stock phrases and rise above it (with the help of wine, if need be). I also provide a very consistent and fair view of the socialist world, from my hypocritical even-handed vantage point. Moreover, be grateful that this is your lot - on the basis of the brief details you give, my DSD says rather similar things to yours, but she IS also very sweet and polite. I am irritated rather than under attack. Under the circumstances, I take what I have.

I think all teenage girls have a capacity to irritate, too. Furthermore, a teenage DSD is not always the easiest child to love, but she does deserve/need your tolerance and affection ... as much as you can possibly offer. If it weren't Ancient Greek, it'd be something else that made you wince ... go with it.

I text my best mate a lot, when the pain gets too much; she is good at humouring me (she's left wing, too - and although she didn't go to my school, but wanted to).

You have really cheered me up :)

Onthedoorstep · 20/05/2014 11:11

She does think that state schools are 'rough' and although won't say it in public, it comes across clearly. It's just what she's told at school really.

It IS a different culture!

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mercibucket · 20/05/2014 11:12

fine if the other kids in her area also have the same opportunities at their state schools. just an awareness of things she might have that others dont

eg noone in my local area does ancient greek. hockey is played but not water polo. i honestly think it is good for teenagers to be aware of privilege

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