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Shite. DSD won't get to come with us at Christmas holidays. :-(

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ProbablyJustGas · 21/03/2012 22:33

DH has asked his ex to consider letting us take DSD with us for a week to visit my family in America over the next New Year holidays, with DSD spending Christmas, Boxing Day, the 27th and the leadup to these holidays with exW. We would fly back from America in time for DSD to recover from jet lag and return to school on time. Although exW sounded warm to the idea at first tonight, she has since texted DH to say she's reconsidered and would rather not let DSD go at all.

I am so disappointed. I don't get the chance to visit my family that often, and they have really taken to DSD and she to them. She will be allowed to see them during other school vacation periods, so I will work with that, but my folks consider DSD their first grandkid, and they were really hoping to see her at the holidays too.

DH is very supportive of me, and has already said that if we have to, we'll try to spend some time over Christmas with DSD and then go visit my fam on our own, but .... argh. I understand that no matter how much love, affection and effort I give to this child, she's not mine. But it won't be the same. Shite. :(

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Bonsoir · 22/03/2012 15:24

NAPD - but why do you care what other people think? I think it can sometimes be interesting to garner other people's opinions on one's step-parenting choices (because it is a minefield and one needs to take decisions with huge care) but ultimately what you do in your own family, the decisions you make etc are your family's business, not the business of others.

Kaluki · 22/03/2012 15:26

Wine here NADM. I think I might join you!
I might follow that this weekend and ignore them.
Wouldn't want to overstep or care too much would I Wink

Bonsoir · 22/03/2012 15:28

NADM

NotaDisneyMum · 22/03/2012 15:28

kaluki - it's quite simple really - as SM's, we must be invite, accept and welcome our DSC into our lives and intergrate them as much as possible, while at the same time, ensuring that their mums are happy with our level of involvement, and that they (the DSC) do not feel conflict by providing too much security or love.

On the other hand, we must not feel upset, aggrieved or unhappy when plans we have made to try and acheive this delicate balance are resented, rejected or dismissed rudely. We must realise that even if we have tried our best, if it is not right for the DSC or their mum, then we have got it wrong and should accept rejection gracefully and without resentment.

Quite a high bar to set really; but as some stepmums seem to have acheived it, I'll strive to get it right one day Wink

Kaluki · 22/03/2012 15:31

How depressing.
Pass me the Wine
Sad

Bonsoir · 22/03/2012 15:32

NADM - that is very good résumé Smile

EverybodyKnows · 22/03/2012 15:34

It does sound depressing but you do get to a point where you will find that balance.

In any other cases Wine does help Smile

NotaDisneyMum · 22/03/2012 15:35

but why do you care what other people think? I think it can sometimes be interesting to garner other people's opinions on one's step-parenting choices (because it is a minefield and one needs to take decisions with huge care) but ultimately what you do in your own family, the decisions you make etc are your family's business, not the business of others.

Why do I care? Because it is the business of others - it is the business of DSS mum, his sister, DP's parents, my exH - everyone has an opinion and they express that to the DSS in their actions and words to him, me and DP.

Everything I do, and say, I consider not only the impact on DSS, but also the impact that other peoples reaction to what I have said or done will have on DSS as well - you are right, it is a minefield - and disregarding the impact of my actions on others is a surefire way to get it badly wrong, ime.

Bonsoir · 22/03/2012 15:36

I wasn't referring to your family but to the "someone, somewhere" in your post!

NotaDisneyMum · 22/03/2012 16:17

I wasn't referring to your family but to the "someone, somewhere" in your post!

My family? A slip of the tongue fingers, there, Bonsoir?

I never mentioned my family (I'm estranged, so it isn't relevant). I mentioned DP's & DSS's family, but they're not mine, any more than my family is DSS's family too; or are they? Wink

Bonsoir · 22/03/2012 16:20

I read "someone, somewhere" as meaning someone not involved - an onlooker. But maybe that's not what you meant.

ProbablyJustGas · 22/03/2012 16:35

Jeezo, I didn't realize my relationship with my husband would be quite this picked apart in order to justify my opinion. If there is a specific appropriate time limit in place for getting married and establishing a family, none of us - DH's exW included - got that memo. I will bet several of you haven't either. Wink

To clear up my history, since so many are curious, DH and his ex separated about 6-7 months before I ever met him. Which is to say that he and I met 6-7 months after she got fed up with the marriage and she moved out of their home, and moved into the home of the man who is now conveniently her partner. That all went down when DSD was about three. A few weeks after mummy moved out, the 50/50 arrangement was established and DSD was going between her old home with daddy and mummy's new home, spending time with mummy and her new "flatmate".

I met DSD when she was 4.5, just after she'd started P1, about five months after DH and I had started seeing each other. The relationship had reached a point where either we were serious about each other or we weren't, and if I was serious, would I please finally meet his daughter and stop making him live a split existence. I know other people don't reach that point in five months, but we did. The one nice thing about having a serious relationship or two tank, is that you have a much better idea of what you want from the next one and don't faff around when you finally find it.

I started doing overnights at DH's flat with DSD in November 2010, got engaged in December 2010, moved in Feb 2011 after DH sold his flat (the sale of flat being part of the separation/divorce agreement), and married my husband last August. Meanwhile, the 50/50 arrangement has been maintained, so my stepdaughter has been very much a part of my relationship with DH. He is not Uncle Dad.

As many of you will be aware, in Scotland, you must be officially separated for about a year in the event of irreconcilable differences before you can proceed to court for a divorce. And given that lawyers cost a fair bit (I'm sure you're familiar with this part too), it can take several months to have the means to consult a legal advisor, negotiate with your ex-spouse, and finally sign a separation agreement. So although DH and exW separated when DSD was three, they did not finish splitting up the contents of the flat, selling the flat, moving house or many of other unpleasant tasks that take place during a divorce, until just before DSD's fifth birthday.

I have not been in DSD's life for long, but I have been there for quite a few important events. None of the time I've put in may be of any importance to the adults on this board, but I am not insignificant to her. The child has tried to call me "mum" on occasion, and I have had to discourage that.

ExW has further explained since yesterday that she thinks DSD's Xmas would be ruined if she didn't see her father on the very day - that she'd be missing him too much and be upset. I disagree with that - I think she is quite used to waiting a few days to see Dad or Mum again, and happy to have Santa Claus arrive at a few different houses over a few different days. But I don't see what goes on in the other house, or hear what DSD says. We've all agreed to disagree for now.

Heaven's sake.

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OhChristFENTON · 22/03/2012 16:44

ProbablyJustGas

Please don't feel you have to justify your existence/time/place with your DH and in your DSD's life. There are few on here who like to witch hunt and call up past posts to discredit SMs but thankfully they are in the minority.

You sound like a very lovely, warm, thoughtful and caring stepmother and there are plenty of people here happy to hold your hand through what is often a very difficult road to travel. I know they have been there for me and sometimes they have been the only ones who have understood and been able to help, - thank heavens for them.

Smile
Kaluki · 22/03/2012 16:45

You shouldn't have had to justify any of that justgas. Good for you for being so reasonable.
Im sure Swed will be along soon with an apology for making assumptions Smile

ProbablyJustGas · 22/03/2012 16:51

Thanks. My round, I think! Wine

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OhChristFENTON · 22/03/2012 16:52

Wink Wine

herecomesthsun · 22/03/2012 16:54

Reading the OP, I was very impressed by the caring attitude that lay behind these plans.

However, thinking about this further, there are practical issues such as jet lag. Last time I went to the States, I felt so awful when I got back that I resolved I would not choose to make that length of flight again for less than a 2 week stay.

The summer arrangement is in some ways more practical - going for a longer period, with more time in between having to recover from jet lag and presumably more time off school on getting back home, in which to settle down after the journey.

I see the OP as being very well motivated, and am sorry that there has been some rudeness on this thread. Nonetheless it might be that testing the waters first with the summer visit, and maybe putting Xmas plans on hold for the time being proves to be a good way forward in making plans. This is not because it is wrong for step-families to put energy into building up close ties, but because it could be a good first step and might identify possible problems or demonstrate what a good idea closer links with the US family might be.

ProbablyJustGas · 22/03/2012 16:59

Thanks herecomesthesun (love the name). Aye, we'll see how we do this summer. Perhaps after all this fuss, we'll learn she hates to travel. :p

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Swed · 22/03/2012 17:15

I didn't make any wrong assumptions. Nor did I ask the OP to justify her relationship -- this post isn't about her relationship and as someone who has walked out on a marriage I am not in the least bit judgy about divorce and its messiness. I merely said her role as a stepmother is very new and she has just confirmed that. I think it's really very odd to be saying Boo hoo it's shite that I can't take my DSD to America for a week for New Year.

I ssume you started this thread, seeking posters' honest opinion on your circumstances. I am giving you my honest opinion: you are pushing too hard. Please feel free to totally disregard it but I'm trying to help you make a good go of your role as a step-parent.

Anyway, good luck.

Smum99 · 22/03/2012 17:16

Read this thread and I assumed that Bonsoir was on a windup - still think she is!

Justgas, I think for now you will have to accept the ex's decision. Over time you will see if her objections are based on child's bests interests or her own.

ProbablyJustGas · 22/03/2012 17:21

Well, I'll have to disagree with you there then. I don't think I'm pushing too hard, given that DSD doesn't have a problem with me being the way I am. I've never forced a relationship between us - she could be cold and resentful instead, and I'd deal with that, but she isn't. She's warm and affectionate instead.

I really don't think I'm being inappropriate given that exW has taken DSD away for several days at a time to visit her partner's family, and will be making time again this year to see them at the holidays. They are not in another country, but if he counts, then so do I.

Anyway, was not expecting such a heated debate, so thanks.

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ProbablyJustGas · 22/03/2012 17:23

Aye, we have. I will have my fingers crossed that it changes. And my fingers are crossed that my folks will budget for an Xmas trip over here someday too. I might remind them tonight that the ILs (who they get along with) will be happy to put them up if we ever can't.

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NotaDisneyMum · 22/03/2012 17:24

Why can't SM express their disappointment Sad Why do they have to do the 'stiff upper lip' British thing and never stamp their foot and say 'it's not fair?' As long as they don't affect the DCs, where's the harm? Sad

Everyone on MN says boo-hoo, poor me on occasion - ttc's, expectant mums, new mums, grandparents, even people who aren't mums at all - but SM are expected to rise above those feelings - hell, if that's the case, I'm definitely not cut out to be a SM Wink

NarkedPuffin · 22/03/2012 17:31

I think you there was an argument going on that wasn't really about your thread.

I'm glad she's explained. I think that, at 6 years old, not seeing her father on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day is a big deal.

How does your DH feel about it?

5madthings · 22/03/2012 17:34

probablyjustas you say you and your dh and some other relatives a brother and child? were all going over? any chance instead of you all going you use the money you would have spent to pay for your parents to come over here? :)