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lottiejenkins · 02/03/2008 23:23

I found this article today..........I thought it was very moving,,,, what a decision that lady made... dont think i could do it though!
www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?in_article_id=522925&in_page_id=1908

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yurt1 · 08/03/2008 07:19

Indiia has written about it in her column.....

needmorecoffee · 08/03/2008 07:40

that one in the States is me in the Amazon reviews. I just made up the address although I did once live in Virginia, US

lottiejenkins · 08/03/2008 07:58

Can we read India's column online please??? any links................

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HairyMaclary · 08/03/2008 07:58

Like others I have been shocked by this story, I really feel didn't give her daughter a chance. Following the links from recently to Julia's blog and to Tina's blog I realised that I 'know' this wonderful foster carer from another forum I go on. She was talking there about the adoption process for Immie being delayed again and I wonder if it suited JH to have Immie still being fostered when to book came out rather than adopted?

2shoes · 08/03/2008 08:40

just adeleted my review and reposted it without my rl name

yurt1 · 08/03/2008 08:46

It's not out yet lottie- it'll be in the Sunday Times- she's just said in her blog that she has written about it.

2shoes · 08/03/2008 08:53

can someone tell me how I post on the bbc site. i have set up an account thingy but can't work out how to post a reply.

yurt1 · 08/03/2008 08:55

Are you signed in?

2shoes · 08/03/2008 09:06

yes

edam · 08/03/2008 09:38

God, what a horrifying and depressing story. Sadly I don't think its unique. I've met plenty of doctors and nurses in special care who say (profoundly?) disabled babies get left there and the parents walk away.

I have not been in this position, so can't really judge, but I did have a great-uncle who had been 'put away' as a baby. I don't know what the doctors had told my great-grandmother - in those days they probably ordered you to do it - but it broke his big sister's heart. When she, my grandmother, grew up she made sure Uncle Alan was in a home near her and visited him every couple of days. Whenever we went to see Granny we always got taken to see Uncle Alan. He was a lovely man.

When Uncle Alan died, my Granny said she was relieved, because her fear was he'd outlive her and no-one would look out for him (she was in her late 70s at the time).

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chonky · 08/03/2008 09:49

Christ - I've just read her blog (JH's press release blog). Is it possible for anyone to be quite so self-absorbed. 'Me, me, me, me...oh and a little bit more about me'?

I really can't stop thinking about this story. Looking forward to the column tomorrow, I hope she does us 'copers' proud .

yurt1 · 08/03/2008 10:18

awww edam that's a sad but very touching story.

I was thinking about Immie's big sister coming home from hospital and finding her little sister gone and her stuff dumped. I feel I want to read the book to find out how she reacted to that.

chrissnow · 08/03/2008 10:27

I know I'm not really 'supposed' to be in Special Needs but I just wanted to say . . .
I read this article last week at MILs house. She came back into the living room to find me in floods of tears!!! I instantly thought of you guys and although I have always known it I was really struck by what a fantastic and hard job you guys do.
Obviously I'm not in the situation so I cannot judge, but I wasn't so upset by her decision (not sure I could cope - but you don't ever know I suppose) I was quite horrified by her blase attitude and she did come across as selling a book rather than telling a heartbreaking story.
Like I say though I don't know . . .

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ancientmiddleagedmum · 08/03/2008 12:34

what annoyed me more than anything was when the silly woman pretended to feel sorry that Tania is only give 14 days respite a year, and seemed to imply that the "system" was at fault. Here's an idea, what about she - the mum - give Tania a few weeks' respite a year and actually look after her own daughter!

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turquoise · 08/03/2008 12:49

"How long would it take for her to show that she loved me as I loved her?" - says it all about this woman's attitude to motherhood.

The contrast of between Tania's story and JH's is extraordinary - JH does not see Immie as a sentient person on any level, that comes through so clearly. There is so much disbelief and hidden scorn behind her comments about Tania's opomions and beliefs about Immie's feelings, likes and dislikes, it is repellant.

All those articles are about her, her feelings, her story. Thank God for Tania.

Bravo to those of you (standing ovation for Fio) with your replies on those sites.

turquoise · 08/03/2008 12:50

'Opomioms'? That would be opinions.

yurt1 · 08/03/2008 13:12

YES I THOUGHT THat turquoise (whoops) the how long would it take for her to show ....

and this:

"Now that she smiles, I can smile too, but I cannot celebrate her in the way I celebrate my other children. Always beneath the surface of my love is the black hole of that scan."

dgeorgea · 08/03/2008 13:28

I have known Tania for a while now online, and I find her to be a truly amazing person.

I have also enjoyed hearing about Imi growing up.

I was actually pleased to see the mums story being told. She wasn't coping and had even considered harming Imi, so it was not just the father! Yet mum was wrong for not kicking the husband to the touch line, but should have carried on her own when she admits she was not coping either?

There are people who just cannot cope, it doesn't make them necessarily bad parents, it does not make them monsters. Had the mum killed her then she would have been criticed and demonised, some here would have pointed out she would have had the option of giving her up for adoption or fostering.

erm... oh hang on that is what she did do! So that is just as bad???

I dare say with the proper support and time the family may have learned to cope. From what has been said she was given poor advice - nothing new there then!

Actually I think it is a story which is well overdue. 9 out of 10 marriages with sn children fail. So the truth is as individuals and families we are not coping with the pressures of special needs however you dress it up.

I do wonder what the message is that is being sent out to mothers who are not coping and not getting the support.

If the book sends out the message that there are other alternatives if you are genuinely not coping then is it a bad thing?

I have found mumsnet to be very supportive, and understanding. I do wonder though the responses to mums who are where Julia and her family were and come here for support and have read this thread.

There are occassions I have shared my own story as a father of occassions I have not been proud of. When I have done so it has been with honesty, and yes rather cold and matter of fact. I have done so in the hope that it will help with other fathers who are facing similar situations so that they can know things can change and improve. I have done so in non public forums, but recently agreed for it to be repeated where I had no chance to respond to comments.

In part I write the story like that not because I was or am cold and uncaring, far from it I cannot write it without getting upset and end up finishing it through tears. The other reason is to simply put it down without trying to make excuses for myself, or to try and shift the blame other then from myself.

They are not written for self therapy, or to justify to myself what I did. When I choose to write it it is because I feel the story needs to be told so others can know it is not they are not alone and things can improve if as men we are prepared to change.

I don't doubt that at the time if my wife had posted here many of you would have told her to get rid of me.

I'm sure dumping her husband for thinking the same sort of thing she was would have gone a long way to stabilising the family unit and would have been in everyones best interest, including the first daughter who found herself caught up in all this.

Personally I found myself full of compassion for the whole family and yes I do believe she is brave in writing her story and publicising it as she has done. This thread is one good reason why I think she is brave.

Just to clarify, I do have the greatest respect for the posters here, and by no means wish to upset or insult anyone here. Most of you are coping magnificently well but while being honest if asked if I could have coped - I just don't know! Probably not in the same circumstances.

ancientmiddleagedmum · 08/03/2008 13:34

I take your point Dgeorgea, and agree that we shouldn't judge other SEN mums, as we of all people know how hard it is. It is just very hard, as a woman, to hear of a mum putting her husband before her child. I don't think I could, but then as you say she wasn't coping with Immie anyway so that wasn't the whole story, and she also had thoughts of harming her. The only point I judge her on is not giving Tania a break, and yet noticing how hard her life is without a break. You are brave to post what you posted though.

turquoise · 08/03/2008 13:59

I agree with many of your points dgeorgea and as I am not an SN parent probably have no right to reply.

But it is not the being unable to cope (I think) that is so hard to take about this book - it is the attitude of this woman towards her daughter. Not the fact that she reached breaking point whilst looking after her - it seems to me that many on this board can entirely empathise with that, and would empathise with and help anyone else who came on here in the same position - but that she could not love Immie because she was not what she wanted her to be.

I agree it is tragic that she did not receive enough support, whether from the professionals or her own partner, to get her through the worst time and maybe find her way through that, and if any part of these extracts reflected that then I think she would not have received such a negative response. She obviously did the right thing, from Immie's point of view, in giving her to someone that will love her unconditionally, but none of her motivations come over in this book as 'brave', merely entirely selfish and that, IMO, is what is so offensive about it.

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