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New to SN how would you have got him out of this tantrum?

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OHforDUCKScake · 08/06/2013 19:20

Son 6.5, has regular tantrums. Weekly and we arent very good at preventing them and worse at talking him down from them. He can almost never be talked down from a tantrum, he has to do a full circle. Usually an hour or so long.

5pm dinner time (early but we all start the day early, go to bed early etc - this is rules by the kids, what works best for them).
DS refuses to eat dinner, says his tummy hurts (this old chestnut), was fine when he had an ice lollie and hr before, and seemed fine when playing out with friends before dinner.

So I tell him to lay on the sofa, or if its bad, go to bed and I'll come up after my dinner.

He chooses sofa but shouts and screams when I say no to TV. (im not having tv distract his brother further and neither have dinner).

After 30 mins DS decides that he does want his dinner, so we are behind schedule and that usually means adorable tantrums from him at bed time.

He finishes dinner, and starts screaming that he doesnt want bed time and he wants more TV.

I say that we arent getting into a row, we are going up, running a bath and he can join us or not.

30 more mins of him screaming from down stairs 'come and get meeeeee' im not having a bath etc etc etc

Hes had sun cream on so we say baby wipes if no bath. And bath in the morning.
More screaming and shouting.
his dad puts on a fun 'baby wipe monster/tickle monster' persona to get it done. DS screams and shouts. (He would have done without the babywipe monster).

Refuses to get undressed or let us undress him. Refuses to brush his teeth.

Constant screaming and shouting.

I settling his brother.

I go to DS's room to see DS on his coverless bed (hes kicked them off) kicking his dad in his back and screaming. His dad has his back turned, arms folded riding it out, Ive heard him try and calm him down for ages. Hes resorted to 'waiting out the tantrum'

I tell his dad to go dowmstairs and have a breather while Im take over.

Another 30 mins and the only way to placate him is with pencils and paper.

It works, he sleeps.

But not before saying to me "Mum, next time I, naughty at bed time can we do drawings again?"

The bloody drawings added a good half an hour on, NO im not doing it every bed time.

Im at a fricking loss because BOTH out children are very needy for completely different reasons and I camt be doing for 2 hour long bed times ending with only 30 mins of drawing.

Im the midst I tried distracting him with an errand. I read that worked.

It didnt.

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Handywoman · 09/06/2013 19:44

Oh Lawks, X-posting. Sorry.

OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 19:45

Please dont feel like Im beating all tour suggestions back, really, really im not.

Please believe me when I say we have tried SO much over the years. Ive read all the books, tried all the suggestions, listened to all the tips, knowledge and ideas, Ive tried this, Ive tried that and never done things by halves.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 09/06/2013 19:46

Just to say my post of 19:08:04 wont work the first night, the second or third, and you mustn't threaten or remind him that he'll not get his ds minutes. Just a shrug and absolute follow through the following day.

The following day will be horrendous as he figures out you mean it, and perhaps the next couple too.

If by day 3 he hasn't moved forward at all you might have to beak down things further so he can start to be successful, so 'tick' for touching his toothbrush, or if not, just looking at it etc etc.

PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 19:47

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OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 19:51

Yes the weighted blanket, Ive been meaning to ask about this. Ok, daft question do you make a weighted blanket or buy one?

Does it make the, very hot? We really want to get this sorted this week. This is something I can really imagine helping him actually. It makes sense for my son, if that makes any sense at all.

As for the earlier tea time and longer bath, yes yes yes. This we can certainly try.

Thanks so much for giving me something to try.

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Handywoman · 09/06/2013 19:51

Good suggestion from Polter re extra time for transitions. dd2 (?ASD) would struggle with 15min slots, they would in fact have the opposite effect and wind her up.

PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 19:52

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OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 19:53

star I just re read your post. That very much goes against what polter says about taking things out and simplifying it further.

So Im not sure what to do.

However, ones thing is for sure is that making things simple works.

I think adding extra ticks would over whelm him.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 09/06/2013 19:55

Well choose what makes most sense to you and try it for an extended period of time (at least a fortnight), and if no improvement try the other.

You might find too that one way only becomes possible once the other way has been done for a bit!

OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 19:55

If he eats after school, he doesnt touch his dinner, this is something we have to be quite strict on.

Water drinking yes, he definitely drinks a lot especially at dinner time. He doesnt seem to be able to cope with food without it in fact.

Im definitely trying the early dinner and longer slots. This makes complete sense to me. I really hear what you are saying there.

With regards to the weighted blanket, how do I get one?

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PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 19:59

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StarlightMcKenzie · 09/06/2013 20:00

And absolutely insist on a referral to a community paed for further investigation.

If you need to makes some allowances for a SN you need to understand the function of his behaviour. I refuse to believe a 6yr is inherently 'naughty' or that the majority of parents who are struggling as you are do so from incompetence.

PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 20:02

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RippingYarns · 09/06/2013 20:03

some sterling advice given already, just nipped in to say glad you've come back OP

PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 20:04

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OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 20:04

I dont believe that either star, I never have.

I will be going on Tuesday and refusing to leave unless we get a referral. Thank you.

Polter I can sit down and talk it through, I wil as well because bringing dinner earlier will mean we have to do so without his dad being at the dinner table, but after the 5th word Ive lost him. He wont be able to take any words in after that, he will stare at me with his big beautiful eyes and I know nothing ia going in.

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OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 20:05

Thanks Ripping, and especially thanks again for last night you came to my rescue when I needed it. I had a pretty big wobble there.

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OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 20:09

Really struggling to find a blanket. Im gooling and found an MN thread to work out the weight, apparently we need one rhat weighs 2.5kg....

But I cant find one that weighs anything let alone a specific weight...

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PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 20:10

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StarlightMcKenzie · 09/06/2013 20:11

It's only recently that my ds has been capable of being a 'partner' in the rules. Before then it really did have be black and white 'do as I say' kind of model, especially as he wouldn't even comply enough to be in the same room as me TO discuss anything iyswim, and his language too poor and his stimming too distracting/tempting.

However, now his language has improved he can listen and argue back and explain why he doesn't want to do something things have improved immensely and I do find that involving him in the rule-making and plans makes for a smoother path. However, learning how to express himself wouldn't have been possible if I hadn't been unwavering and determined to MAKE him focus and experience things and participate iyswim when he WASN'T capable of having any kind of discussion about it.

PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 20:17

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StarlightMcKenzie · 09/06/2013 20:18

And yes yes to tapping into his sense of humour to get him onside, if at all possible and despite your frustrations/worry.

DS used to sometimes start what I knew would end in a meltdown if we had to go a different way/get a different bus etc. One day I just had my very own tantrum 'DS, MAKE the bus come to the same busstop. MAKE the bus driver drive over the workmen in the hole RIGHT NOW, and come STRAIGHT AWAY, and don't pay attention to ANY red lights!'

My ds was absolutely in hysterics and I now use it frequently when he begins an escalating whinge.

Even better, he tries to explain to my just why I can't have my own way like 'but the workmen might get hurt' or 'if the bus goes through a red light then it might crash'.

Language beyond what I ever thought would be possible I might add, so don't give up on your child and definitely don't give up on yourself figuring it out and making things better for you all.

One thing though. I know it is stressful and easy to take things out on your partner, especially when you feel undermined, but it is a real asset to have one, particularly one who is as hands on as yours sound, so keep things as sweet as you can there.

OHforDUCKScake · 09/06/2013 20:20

Thanks, yes he has a brilliant sense of humour. We could take photos, or more likely draw pictures.

I think I will be able to get the info into him.

Ive found some blankets on ebay, Jve just emailed them.

You have made me feel SO much better now I have an action plan.

Thank you.

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PolterGoose · 09/06/2013 20:29

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mrsbaffled · 09/06/2013 20:36

I made a weighted blanket. I found a tutorial on YouTube.

Essentially I got a throw that was pre-made (just happened to have one anyway) with two layers, so I could stuff it. I ordered poly-pellets from eBay. Then I filled the blankets with the pellets. You need to 'quilt' the blanket in squares each containing an equal weight if pellets. Mine has 6x7 squares.

Poly pellets are washable, so ideal. You can also weight with metal pellets or rolled up sheets. Anything really.