MMR!!!! Have just cancelled it.

[HolyCalamityJane]

Hi Everyone.

Just need your advice on this. My DS had an appt to get MMR this morning. My DD has ASD traits, ADHD and dyspraxia and so therefore I have fears that DS who is a happy smiley boy will change once I get this done.

I know there is no hard evidence linking the 2 but I would never forgive myself if all of a sudden he changes after he has it.

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

I think you've done the right thing.

My eldest DS was advised not to have any more vaccinations after he was vaccine damaged (leading to ASD) - so my younger 2 haven't been vaccinated either.

There is loads of evidence between gut problems and ASD. Very strong evidence around that.

What no one's really sure about is whether the MMR can cause gut problems or not. But loads and loads and loads of kids have been vaccine damaged by the MMR. I think 3 or 4 people on this board have.

It's just almost impossible to design studies to prove or disprove this kind of stuff. And there's lots of money at stake which means it's very hard to design a fair study.

There are no hard and fast rules. It's a difficult one.

I haven't had any more vaccinations for ds2 who has sn and I have not given dd any vaccinations at all. But you have to make this decision yourself because there is no right answer.

I was able to say that I categorically believed that dd was at risk from vaccines and I review what I am doing all the time.

Sorry that is not much help but a bunch of people will tell you that you should do it or you are risking your child and other childrens health. Others will tell you it's fine nit to vaccinate. But you have to weigh up the consequences of both courses of action and decide yourself

Its entirely your decision - as a parent you do what you think is right for your children. My DS hasn't had MMR jabs either as the contoversy all kicked off around the time he was due to have it - so I decided not to. He has since been diagnosed with HF ASD (although he already had behaviour 'issues' before the jab was due) but I'm still not prepared to risk him having it as I dont want to risk his behaviour deteriorating. His older sister did have it but not the booster - on advice of the GP - as she as other health issues.

Tbh, I'm less scared of the MMR than some of the others. And if you think I'm giving this expected baby the 5 in 1 then you're having a laugh.

Starlight - absolutely. It's not the MMR that is dangerous. All vaccinations are dangerous, including the MMR.

However, obviously, not getting vaccinated is also dangerous.

It makes me feel better that there are others who feel the same boat. I have to say the Health visitor was very understanding I was expecting her to tell me what a horrible mother I was. My DD came out in a bad rash all over her body after hers and she has bowel/ gut issues so that is interesting what you say about that Indigo. I wondered what the Tinsley House view on the MMR was??
I am of the opinion that there seems to be lots of studies attempting to prove that their is no link between the 2 but the government are unlikely to fund research to prove a link otherwise the legal system would go into meltdown.

It is entirely your decision, but personally although both my elder 2 showed autistic traits prior to MMR I gave them the jab. (I also gave it to their NT younger brother). I do not believe that the jab causes autism (autism existed before the MMR jab existed and my sons showed symptoms beforehand they had their jab) and the thought of an autistic child who then developed a disease such a measles with lasting after affects did not seem a good option to me.

Who are in the same boat (Feel the same boat wtf?????

I would definitely not have MMR for DS2. But wasn't aware of the 5 in 1 or any other vaccinations being a problem. DS2 was given the 5 in 1 last month....

Of course MissGreen. It is not simple decision though and both options have potentially serious risks, with the diseases being all the more dangerous BECAUSE most people vaccinate than they might be if allowed to roam.

I only get cross when the different sides of the fence tell the other that they have done things wrong.

Littlemiss. Iunderstand where you are coming from. My view presently is that my DS is not currently showing any traits and if all of a sudden he was to start to have traits tomorrow or the next day then I would never forgive myself especially as his sister has so many problems. She had all her jabs and I poo-pooed anyone who mentioned there being a link to autism.

DS was walking before he was 1 and starting to talk. Within days of the MMR he had stopped. He has a diagnosis of HFA.

I ignored the letters inviting DD for her MMR and by 18 months she was displaying some ASD traits.

She doesn't have a diagnosis, but does have some traits, be that down to genetics or learned behaviour I am not sure.

Dev, there aren't any known problems with the 5 in 1, but there are theoretical problems with all vaccinations, how they are administered, the interactions between the ingredients, the quantities as the long term implications on newly introduced ones.

The issue that many of us have is that the motivations of the government has been proven to have been occasionally at odds with the health of individuals within the population and has been proven to lie about it.

None of this means vaccinations will be unsafe for the majority but it does explain the cautiousness of some.

HCG - TH doesn't talk about the link between MMR and gut issues - The GAPS diet does.

TH does agree with DS being gluten free or following the GAPS diet.

(We've just gone for gluten / dairy free, as found that was enough and we didn't need to do the full GAPS diet.)

Leonie, your last comment made me do a big GUFFAW!!! I wish I had your absolute conviction
I think if DS does start to develop traits then that will be easier to live with than him developing the traits and me thinking it is because of the vaccine.

Thanks Star... I was very weary of giving MMR even with DS1 as he was a premmie and did consider separate vaccines as his immune system is not great, but was assured by our lovely GP that there were no issues. To be fair, there was a gap of good 6 months before administering MMR and Ds1 regressing so maybe it was not related but I just cannot run the risk again. So a no to combined MMR but will consider separate vaccinations.

Sorry for the hijack holy

Do you think seperate vaccinations would be a safer option? DS has had all his jabs so far he is just 1 now. Should I look into this?

OP, your child, your choice. Remember that. Your first responsibility is to what you honestly feel is best for your child.

I did give my DD the MMR, because I wholeheartedly believe that vaccination is (generally) a miraculous thing that saves lives.

However, she was almost 20 months, and I was sure she was healthy and robust enough to cope with it, physically and neurologically. What I did NOT do, is take her at 12 months when she was 'summoned' for it.

There were reasons, many of them, some scientific, some just gut instinct, but I had warning bells screaming in my head and I refused. She was my DD, it was my decision. I did what I thought was right for her, (and, yes, for me!) at the time.

Please do the same, whatever that is. I hate vaccination threads (normally) because of the sheer quantity of vitriol that gets spouted. My Child, my choice, no bugger one else's business.

(cue someone spouting 'herd protection'....)