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I can't do this anymore.

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Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 10:23

I have officially come to the end of the line with co-sleeping. Last night dd didn't go to sleep until 10.35pm, despite being exhausted and me having been lying on the bed with her since 7.45pm. She continued to wake through the night, on and off, and consequently has gone to nursery in a very bad mood.

She is full of cold, and has a bit of a cough, but when I went downstairs with her at 9.25pm to beg dh for help so that I could eat my dinner, she was actually laughing and smirking, so I refuse to believe that she is feeling that unwell.

I have to get her sleeping properly. She is 14mo.

I have had enough. Please help me.

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JamInMyWellies · 30/07/2008 11:57

Well you know we will hunt you down, one of our lot is in trouble we are like bloodhounds. Nothing to do with having nothing to do today so spending far too much time on mumsnet.

emmywoo · 30/07/2008 13:00

Dear Pinkjenny, although I don't have any advice I would just like to let you know that you are not alone. my dd is 21mo and only falls asleep between 9pm and 10om and I have to lie on the bed with her, she also thinks it is a game. I will definately try some of the recommendations that people have posted. WOuld love to hear back from you what you action you decide to do and if it works. xxxx

Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 13:11

Emmy - do you have an email address that we could chat on?

Mine is [email protected]

Maybe we could support each other. xxx

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Umlellala · 30/07/2008 13:26

Hello, am sure you have lots of suggestions that are great here.

Would it work for you to see it not as 'fixing something broken' but that you are teaching a new skill? So just as learning to ride a bike is new and fun and exciting, so can learning to go to sleep in a new way. Try to ENJOY the new routine .

Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 13:35

I will try Umlellela. I've been trying to think of sleep as a basic need I need to ensure she gets, like food and water, rather than some hideous torture I am inflicting upon her.

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Umlellala · 30/07/2008 14:12

That's always been my long-term goal, that dd would enjoy bed and sleeptime... and tbh dd has slept well with me, so CC as a technique haven't been for me. I HAVE been firm (and had some crying as a side-effect) though... hard to explain, but do CAT me if you want me to.

We put dd in a bed at 15mths and it helped her self-settle (and see it as new, fun thing too)

Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 14:16

Have Cat'd you xx

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emmywoo · 30/07/2008 14:23

Pinkjenny, I have just emailed you.

Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 14:30

And I have replied. xx

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ShowOfHands · 30/07/2008 17:15

When I said 'make a decision and stick to it' I wasn't meaning to sound like it's that simple at all. Gawd knows I know it isn't that easy and I didn't mean it to come across like that. Sleep deprivation is hideous, torturous even. What I meant was- from a position of having the privilege of knowing you for a long time now- is that you have to try something and give it your all. I sense from your tone you feel this too. I know you tried cc and gave up and you're a wee ball of angst whenever you think about tackling it. I just mean make a choice really and accept it may be days and weeks for that choice to make a difference. It might not work and you may have to start again but you have to make that first choice. We'll help you through it.

Jam, will fb you about PJ's visit, we've a cunning plan to involve you.

Other thing is, I've just put M in her own bed as you know, she loves it. She's very proud of her own little bed and that helps a lot.

scattyspice · 30/07/2008 17:25

I have had huge sleep problems with both mine, it has been 5 yrs since I had any regular sleep.

CC did not work for mine as they just got more worked up. But I tried it and many other techniques, don't rule anything out.

At bed time I sit on the end of the bed until DD(3) falls asleep (otherwise she just gets up and plays). During the night when she wakes I sleep in spare bed with her. DS was 3.5 before he slept through (when he did he did it suddenly, spontaneously and never looked back), DD is 3 and occasionally sleeps through. Its tough.

Good luck.

Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 20:40

OK - so she's asleep. In her cot. Lord knows how long she'll stay there and I've been in her room since five past seven.

The farking cough keeps disturbing her.

Stay with me ladies.

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Pinkjenny · 30/07/2008 20:55

OK I've been in once now. Its the bloody cough!

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IAteRosemaryConleyForBreakfast · 30/07/2008 21:02

Just skimmed the thread and am sending you good vibes. DS has just turned one and is a bit of a test with the whole sleep thing. For us we can live with him cosleeping fine as long as he starts the night in his cot. You will feel much better soon.

twelveyeargap · 30/07/2008 21:06

Just stick with it PJ. Tomorrow night, make sure she has some Tixylix or whatever it's called before bed.

It's very hot here tonight - is her room a very dry heat? Won't help a cough. If you can sneak in a bowl of boiling water by the door to moisten the air a bit, that might help. Stick in a couple of drops of olbas oil if you have it.

catweazle · 30/07/2008 21:23

I shall watch this thread with interest as I am in the same boat. My 16 mo DD does all the things in your 11:07 post. She has just taken to yanking on my nose to wake me up as well.

Our difficulty is we don't have another room to move her into. I was hoping to eventually move her into DS1's room then he dropped out of Uni and came home. Even if I get her into the cot (and she screams the minute any part of her body makes contact with it) she can see me, so won't stay there.

(I know that smirk too )

JamInMyWellies · 30/07/2008 21:48

PJ stick with it. Also just a quick thought pop a t-shirt that you have been wearing into her bed so that she can smell your scent might help her settle. Is DH there to help you?

hellymelly · 30/07/2008 21:56

just skimmed through this but find it all a bit depressing-she is a little baby not a manipulative minx-maybe she had just cheered up a bit? Don't all babies with colds and coughs wake up a lot? I co sleep and it seems normal to me that my baby wakes up for a feed or for comfort and that when she is unwell she wakes a lot more-surely it would be the same wherever she slept or am I missing something ? don't most babies do this? (or is it just my cc freaky ones?)

JamInMyWellies · 30/07/2008 22:01

Hellymelly jumping to PJ's defence here. She has had sleep problems with her DD since dot. Also tis a bit of a tongue in cheek exageration on the manipulative bit.

hellymelly · 30/07/2008 22:04

I don't want to be mean,just that sometimes what gets talked about as "sleep problems "seems to me to be just the textbook description of a baby and that it is more a problem of expectation.But then maybe my brain is addled by years of disrupted sleep!

JamInMyWellies · 30/07/2008 22:09

Maybe it is expectations hellymelly, i guess everyones expectations on what they perceive to be acceptable sleep patterns differ.

Shells · 30/07/2008 22:25

PJ, don't feel bad for co-sleeping. ITs a lovely thing to do and I'm sure your baby has felt so secure. Not everyone can do it, but that doesn't mean its not good that you have done it.

I've had sleep issues with all my three too. I think firstly, you have to accept that some children don't need as much sleep as others. Its infuriating, especially when you hear about the ones who do 14 hours a night, or a still having naps at 4. But I suspect your DD is not one of those.

Secondly, if DH is no good at this stuff (mine isn't much good either) then what he can do for you is give you a sleep in the day (weekend?) so that you have some reserves to call on in the night. If you're sleep deprived anyway then you'll be feeling unable to take on new challenges.

Lots of other good suggestions here. Good luck.

gagarin · 30/07/2008 22:27

PJ - you are not co-sleeping (IMO). Co-sleeping is all snuggled up together. To sleep.

Children stay up until you go to bed - you don't go to bed at children's bedtime!

She's ill at the moment so prob not wise to be massively different in your approach.

But when she's better (even if only a bit) don't feel that you are a bad parent if you decide to get a grip on your sleep/life balance.

I think from co-sleeping to controlled crying might be a big step for you - but gradual withdrawal works just as well and doesn't seem so brutal.

Whichever route you choose just make sure you don't start it if in your heart of hearts know you will prob give in.

So think about it hard - and maybe do the sitting by the cot, hand on baby, no eye contact, shhing approach. Keep gentle. Whisper "night night" calmly. And gradually head off towards the door over the days/weeks it takes you!

And lastly - if you decide it's better for everyone if she sleeps in her cot then don't change your mind and take her into your bed some nights and not others. That's not fair to anyone.

Good luck.

Whatever you choose.

cravingaquietlife · 30/07/2008 23:15

Ohhhh PJ sweetie.....

I'm so pleased she's asleep in her cot....

I know how hard this is for you.

Which ever way you decide to get L to stay in her cot the key thing is consistency. The more cosistent you stay over the next few days will be the make or break. Honest if you break the routine just once whilst she's still learning she'll run a mile with it and you'll be back to square one. whether it's 8pm or 3am you have to stick to it.

Just think, quiet evenings with dh and your evening meal out of bed are just around the corner.

andyrobo237 · 30/07/2008 23:17

PJ - if it is any consolation my DS who is 17 months has never slept well at night since he was born. We have had probably 3 occasions where we have had about 8 hours solid sleep, but even then I didnt sleep well as I was anticipating him waking up!

We usually get him to bed at 7 - in cot awake (ish) and then he sleeps until 4.30am then I bring him in our bed where he sleeps or another hour snuggled to me (where I am on the edge of falling out of bed). Then he sits bolt upright demanding milk - drains a bottle and then sleeps for another hour.

We were managing with this - not quite ideal scenario until we went on holiday last week. There he did not like the travel cot, napped at odd times (despite the best will in the world to keep him awake) and ended up having to cuddle him to sleep, put in cot and then he weould wake in the early hours - bring him in our bed, and so on!

Now we have regressed even further to the extent that he just went to bed half an hour ago - I did put him up at 7.30pm but he just screamed for us - not tired as had a late sleep in the day. He is a very busy boy - very chatty and I think his brain is too busy to switch off. It is very hard to be rational about things when you have had little sleep - and the interuptions to your evening 'me' time or 'us' time is not good for relationships. We also have a DD and sometimes I feel sorry for her as her sleep is also disturbed. I have tried CC but found it too stressful, tried the shush pat, which was partially suceeeful but now he is too big and strong and has a temper that he battles with you - I was so annoyed last night when I put him in our bed to get him to sleep - he hit me, giggled at me, pulled my face, etc - all playing - and I eventually turned my back on him and ignored him - then he went to sleep as the entertainment had gone.

No real advice to offer, but I do agree the other posters who talk about doing it in baby steps - and I do agree that the younger they are the less impact it has on them. I would go with establishing the next step in her routine - to get her used to the cot in her own room. I take it you work at least some of the week, as you say she is in nursery, and this is part of the problem as you do feel that you have very little time with them in the day. My DH is also useless when it comes to helping - some nights he is not in until nearly 9 and I have had to do the whole tea, bath and bed routine for two by myself, so that on the days that he is around, he cant tear himself away from Sky Sports to even help.

Anyway, enough rambling - keep us posted on how you get on - you definately have to be consistent and to the same every night and eventually it will have an affect - you are a good mum as you care about this and want the best for your daughter, but I know exactly where you are coming from with the frustrations