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Just started controlled crying - advice please

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Whatevenissleep2 · 10/03/2023 19:50

After months of sleepless nights, contact naps and desperation we have cracked and began controlled crying with DS (9m) following research. We are on day 1 and have made huge progress with my DS falling asleep independently in his cot within an hour. He has never been left for longer than 5 minutes before going back in to reassure and after about 35/40mins of beginning the process, there was long periods of calm before he began to cry in shorter spells.

I’m reaching out to others who have successfully used CC as I’m wondering what I should expect the evening and night to be like? And any more advice? My mental health is particularly delicate at the moment due to having to hold my son from 11-4am in the morning (even co sleeping wouldn’t work) and starting the day at 6am with toddler so please be kind to me if you come across this thread and are against CC. I’m also sat looking at the video monitor feeling intensely guilty.

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LittleMG · 13/03/2023 22:09

@Getthefiregoing
thank you that’s so helpful. He’s asleep atm but I’ve got it all ready, drink, toy, dummy. I could be asleep not but I can’t drop off!! Thanks again I really appreciate it x

Getthefiregoing · 14/03/2023 06:34

LittleMG · 13/03/2023 22:09

@Getthefiregoing
thank you that’s so helpful. He’s asleep atm but I’ve got it all ready, drink, toy, dummy. I could be asleep not but I can’t drop off!! Thanks again I really appreciate it x

I hope it went well x

pasta56 · 14/03/2023 08:49

Cry it out is also fine - effective and safe. It is included in the sleep training studies above and has the same positive outcomes and zero negative outcomes as other methods of sleep training.

As a PP mentioned, cry it out can actually result in less crying overall for some babies, because each time you go in and out with controlled crying it can "reset" them and you end up going in and out for hours, when CIO can be over in a few minutes.

CIO Method is - make sure baby is fed, changed, showing tired signs. Put them to bed without any "props" (dummy etc) because they need to learn how to get back to sleep without those throughout the night. Sing, read a book, whatever your routine is, then say night night, it's time to sleep now.

Close door. Time the crying. When you time it, It's often actually not as long as it "feels". You can listen out for the silent gaps in between the cries increasing and the intensity/volume decreasing - this means they are not "escalating" and you shouldn't interrupt them, because they're in the process of working it out,falling off to sleep by themselves.

Improvements should be seen in the number of wakings from night 1 , length of crying on putting them down will decrease rapidly and the process should be complete within 5 days max.

MrNook · 14/03/2023 09:25

As a PP mentioned, cry it out can actually result in less crying overall for some babies

Because they learn their care giver isn't coming when they're calling out for them. Shutting a baby in a room and leaving them to cry until they fall asleep is neglectful

PinkFizz1 · 14/03/2023 09:29

MrNook · 14/03/2023 09:25

As a PP mentioned, cry it out can actually result in less crying overall for some babies

Because they learn their care giver isn't coming when they're calling out for them. Shutting a baby in a room and leaving them to cry until they fall asleep is neglectful

Exactly. They eventually stop crying because they know no one is coming to comfort them. Heartbreaking.

pasta56 · 14/03/2023 11:44

Nope, not at all. You are misinformed. Read the research above. Sleep trained babies (inc CIO) are better attached, with improvements in daytime behaviour and feeding. Their mothers have improved mental health and wellbeing, which also benefits the babies. it's all good news for sleep training - safe, effective and leading to positive outcomes for the whole family. 😀

Purple89 · 14/03/2023 11:59

Getthefiregoing · 13/03/2023 20:28

@LittleMG

If it helps, this is what we did.

I cut breastfeeding at night cold turkey. He was waking constantly and couldn't get back to sleep without it. He did not need it for nourishment, it was purely comfort. He has always taken a dummy for sleep so I knew I had to focus on that being his comfort.

I left a sippy cup of water in his room and every time he woke I went through and offered it to him. He'd shove it away in frustration and cry for breastmilk. I comforted him and continued to offer the water or his dummy. After a lot of fighting and crying with me he'd take a big drink of water, accept the dummy and go back to sleep.

It took about 4 days of doing this every time in combination with pick up put down method.

So it looked like this:

When he woke up I'd go through to his room, put on a soft night light and offer water. If he didn't take it I'd say "ok I'm going to put your cup here next to teddy" (he sleeps with a favourite teddy) Then I'd pick him up, give him his dummy, and cuddle him until he was calm. Then put him down. He literally spring back up again and stand at the bars of his cot crying. So I'd do the same again. I'd give him 3 times getting picked up and cuddled and put back down.

If he stood up after the 3rd time I wouldn't pick him up. I'd just lie him back down. He'd get up. I'd lie him back down. Repeat repeat repeat. I'd say "shh it's time to sleep. Mummy and daddy are going to sleep. It's time for you to sleep." After 3 times of this I'd just lie him back down each time he stood up, now not saying anything. Just shhhing and stroking his head or back.

It could take 50 times of doing that over their cot bars. Back breaking. But if you keep your resolve they will realise that this is how it's going to be from now on.

Now, if my son wakes in the night he finds a dummy by himself. If he can't find one in the dark or if he wakes for some other reason, one of us goes through and turns on a soft night light and hands him his cup. He takes a big drink, rolls over and gets a dummy and goes straight back to sleep. He usually sleeps 11-12 hours straight now.

Top tips:

Give him a supper before bed. Porridge with banana mashed through is a good one. Or a bowl of warm weetabix. That way you know they're going to bed with a nice full tummy.

Don't try to do any of this in the dark. Have a soft lamp or nightlight on so they can see you.

If he has a favourite teddy I found it helped to go through when he woke and cried and cuddle teddy first. I'd say "aw poor teddy is sad. He's crying. Shhh shhh it's ok teddy". Then I'd pretend to give teddy water and a dummy. My son would watch all this, through tears, and then want to take the cup and dummy for himself. Then I'd do the same for him a cuddle and "aw you're feeling sad, it's ok. Shhh shhh time to go back to sleep now with teddy".

If you're breastfeeding do it yourself. We had short term success with his dad going in instead of me. But then it fell away and I started breastfeeding again after he got a sickness bug. I realised second time round I had to do it myself because I wanted him to realised mummy was also saying no more breast milk.

He is breastfed now only before his nap and before bed so he still gets that comfort and it's linked firmly to going to sleep. But he goes to bed awake and chats away to his teddy and settles himself.

Good luck to you and to OP. You can do this. You are not neglecting your child. You're there with them the whole way.

This is a really helpful post, which shows the nuance involved in this conversation- sleep training can be undertaken by a parent which is loving and attentive to their baby's needs.

sunflowerandivy · 14/03/2023 12:33

@Getthefiregoing great post. How old was your little one?

LapinR0se · 14/03/2023 12:52

CIO can be dangerous though. I have sadly heard of a 14-month old who threw himself out of his cot and fractured his skull. His mother ignored him crying because she was told to close the door and leave him no matter how hard he cried.
I am a firm believer in the benefits of controlled crying but I do not believe in CIO in any way shape or form.

BurbageBrook · 14/03/2023 14:46

Yes, CIO is obviously neglect. I don't get how anyone with a basic sense of empathy could ever practise CIO, or nighttime neglect. Imagine you were that baby crying and crying yourself to sleep. It's awful.

LittleMG · 14/03/2023 16:17

@Getthefiregoing last night went really well. It wasn’t as bad as I remember last time and he calmed down really quickly when I went to him. I gave him the toy and water like you said and he did take them. Last milk at 10.30 last night first at 6.15 this morning. So I’ll go on with it tonight and do the same. He was very tired as it was going on and put up less of an ‘argument’ than I thought. Thanks you so much for your advice as PP said very caring and supportive to the child and loving xxx

Getthefiregoing · 14/03/2023 18:38

sunflowerandivy · 14/03/2023 12:33

@Getthefiregoing great post. How old was your little one?

Thanks Smile

If I remember correctly he was about one when we got him sleeping through the first time. But that was with my husband taking over the nights and comforting him. He slept through because he wasn't interested in his dad coming in- he wanted the boobies!

Then he got a horrendous sickness bug and I reverted back to breastfeeding in the night.

When he was well again I decided I would sleep train myself. I wanted him to hear it coming from me that boobies were finished at night. So around 15 months I think we knocked it on the head for good. I realised it was unfair to him to fall back on it when he was sick. One day he'll be 5 and sick and won't be getting breastmilk!

He is much cuddlier during the day since I stopped breastfeeding at night which is lovely. I feel more like "mummy" and less like "boobies!!!"

Getthefiregoing · 14/03/2023 18:39

LittleMG · 14/03/2023 16:17

@Getthefiregoing last night went really well. It wasn’t as bad as I remember last time and he calmed down really quickly when I went to him. I gave him the toy and water like you said and he did take them. Last milk at 10.30 last night first at 6.15 this morning. So I’ll go on with it tonight and do the same. He was very tired as it was going on and put up less of an ‘argument’ than I thought. Thanks you so much for your advice as PP said very caring and supportive to the child and loving xxx

So pleased to hear this. They do desperately want to sleep, they just don't know how. You're teaching him.

Sending good vibes for tonight!

user40643 · 17/03/2023 11:46

pasta56 · 12/03/2023 21:30

In my experience the people most against sleep training are those who either:

a) didn't have babies with sleep problems, so never had to consider it

Or

b) suffered with sleep deprivation for years with their babies, did not sleep train, and now cannot accept that there was a safe alternative to having gone through that

Or just like tending to their baby's needs? After all, why have children if yoy want to leave them crying?

user40643 · 17/03/2023 11:47

Cosleeping carries a risk of the most serious adverse outcome there is - infant death! so I don't know why you would recommend that as an alternative, if you are risk averse.

Uninformed opinions are the worst

user40643 · 17/03/2023 11:53

Ireallydohope · 13/03/2023 02:50

I was forced into controlled crying with DD because I wanted to read DS his bedtime story at 7pm and figured he'd remember and she wouldn't

Obviously she hasn't remembered and was in a perfect routine after about 3 nights

I just shut her in a room with the door shut in her Moses basket till she cried herself to sleep

Strangely she still has a brilliant internal clock all these years later.

It was easier because I was occupied with DS who I did not practise controlled crying with

Fuck me. It beggars belief.

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