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I can't cope with night time

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TeainanIV · 28/02/2022 01:25

I am completely at my wits end with my 8 month old daughter's sleep and I don't know what to do anymore. It's having a huge impact on my mental health, my relationship and my physical health too. She screams all night long and nothing we do seems to change anything. She is an awful sleeper - day or night. She relies completely on us to get her to sleep - whether it's boob, pram, car or being bounced to sleep. She simply cannot get herself to sleep at all. We've tried to teach her to self-settle and it ends up in her hysterical to the point she's making herself sick/choking and spluttering. It is horrendous. If we don't help her, she doesn't sleep!

This has been going on for nearly 4 months now, and it's just steadily gotten worse and worse. She has CMPA and egg allergy which I am free from, and I often wonder if that makes things worse but I thought by now we'd see some improvement in her night time sleep.

We've followed the same bedtime routine since she was born, we have quiet time/nappy free time around 6:30pm, then bath, feed and bed. I've tried to feed her awake with the lights on and then put her down drowsy but she just screams and screams. She will not stop, it's been hours some nights and she's still screaming. If I feed her to sleep she'll wake the minute I put her down - again screaming and screaming. Then the rest of the night she's waking every single hour, sometimes less. She only settles when fed or when lay on me (sometimes her Dad but mainly wants me). The same goes for daytime sleep - naps are never longer than 40mins, usually 30, unless she's asleep on the boob. Even then, she stirs every 20mins or so to latch back on and comfort suck. I can never just put her down for a nap without feeding her or rocking to sleep. Or it's a nap in the pram, and the minute I stop waking she's awake again.

My partner and I can't take much more. She's still in our bedroom because she's that bad at night the thought of being in and out of another room fills me with more dread. But it's having a huge impact on our relationship, we just have no time together in the evenings because she's up and down so often. Plus we're exhausted 😩.

The lack of naps without help means that we struggle to get anything done in our house. It's filthy, because when she's awake she demands all my attention - she won't go in a sling, she won't sit in her high chair, she won't just 'be' without me right there with her!! So nothing gets done.

To top it all off, last week our neighbours complained to us about her night waking as it's also waking them up!! We live in a terrace house so it's impossible not to hear it. So now we're even more anxious about her screaming all night because we know they're up and fuming too!!

Honestly I don't know what I'm after here, I'm not even sure if any of this makes sense. I'm currently sat hiding in the bathroom crying and I can hear her screaming from the bedroom. I just know I can't cope with this much longer. Please someone tell me it gets better!!!

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TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 10:00

@Andoffwego thank you, we've had lots of well meaning comments too and I have to just tune them out now because we really have tried just about everything!! This is why I'm so sure it's linked to her allergies in some way as nothing seems to be working and the amount she's waking, and the fact it's so close together, suggests there's something going on! Who knows, we are on our knees with exhaustion though so can't carry on this way much longer

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converseandjeans · 05/03/2022 10:05

teainaniv

That's awful if your dietician told you to try egg yolk knowing it may cause another upset tummy.

There must be FB support groups for CMPA which you could ask questions on.

I just think for DD sake and also your wellbeing you need to push to see someone sooner than April.

Hope you get her sorted soon.

Reluctantadult · 05/03/2022 10:13

I know you're going down the allergy route. I would also suggest getting a sleep consultant to help. It'll be a couple of hundred quid but might be the best money you've ever spent. I've ended up using one twice.

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 10:32

@converseandjeans thank you, I really hope so too. I know, I'm so angry about it now. I'm in a CMPA group on Facebook, so getting advice via there as well

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TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 10:33

@Reluctantadult I wish we could afford to but we just don't have the kind of money :(. I wanted to go private for an allergy appointment as the wait was so long, but again we just couldn't afford it!

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Reluctantadult · 05/03/2022 11:11

No we couldn't really at the time either, but it was cheaper than divorce, which was where we were headed!

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 11:21

@Reluctantadult oh god, we're getting married in June - I hope haha!! Honestly it is such a massive strain isn't it!?

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tothemoonandbackbuses · 05/03/2022 14:02

If you ask for formula ask for neocate or the equivalent from another Manufacturer. Do not accept the lesser ones or anything with soya in it like nutramigen
At this age you can use a sippy cup rather than a bottle. I would aim for mix feeding as forumal is unlikely at this stage to be a cure all.
My first was diagnosed at 4 months and it was basically hell until he was 15 months.
My second at days old and by 6 weeks she was sorted and acting like a normal baby

zebra80 · 05/03/2022 14:48

This sounds horrendous OP, no wonder you're at your wits end.

You say it's been much worse since an upset stomach and I wonder if she's got a secondary lactose intolerance? My baby had fairly mild CMPA but after his rotavirus vaccine all hell broke loose- turns out anything that damages the gut lining (including infections & allergies) can stop them producing enough lactase until it heals. Lactase drops have made a massive difference for us, I tried to reduce them after a couple of weeks and it was back to screaming as soon as put down, only sleeping propped up on me, painful wind & frothy poos. Might be worth a try? It's a faff if you're BF, I usually express about 15-20 ml from the other side and give that in a bottle with the drops mid feed.

Good luck x

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 15:19

@zebra80 that's really interesting because she has been so much worse since a tummy bug! I felt a bit lousy at the same time so we might have both had it - I'm scared to try and give anything else on the off chance it makes her worse. But at the same time I feel like it can't be much worse than our current situation!!

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zebra80 · 05/03/2022 17:09

@TeainanIV yeah I'd imagine you're wary! As I understand it it's just an enzyme that they should be producing anyway so it just goes to waste if not needed, shouldn't be any real side effects.
Info here www.nhs.uk/conditions/lactose-intolerance/causes/.

Hope you get to the bottom of it for her sake and yours! My wee one is not bad now but not 100% so the GP has suggested the hypoallergenic milk as a trial to see if there's further improvement rather than mucking about with my diet... it's all hard to decide what's best isn't it?

Felicity42 · 05/03/2022 17:21

I found my baby slept better at night if she had her main/big dinner in the middle of the day, and then a smaller meal/tea in the evening. You poor thing, hope things improve soon, and hang in there.

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 18:24

@zebra80 thank you, that's really made me think! It's all such a guessing game isn't it! Is it easy to get hold of lactase drops? I've not heard of them before!

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TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 18:25

@Felicity42 thank you, already got that night time dread!!

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zebra80 · 05/03/2022 18:42

@TeainanIV yep it's what colief drops are- we're using colactase which are slightly cheaper, can get them in pharmacies. They are expensive if you're using them all the time but you can get them on prescription x

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 19:09

@zebra80 aah okay, never used Colief. I'll be popping in to Boots tomorrow to get some, you never know!!

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zebra80 · 05/03/2022 23:02

@TeainanIV really hope it helps a bit! We had about 2 weeks of the situation you're describing and I was very nearly mad.

On a different note, do you have friends/family who could do the housework? I know exactly what you mean about it making things feel much worse. My mum came over & just did the kitchen & bathroom a couple of times, it was such a relief even if it didn't last!

TeainanIV · 05/03/2022 23:13

@zebra80 it is torture, she's currently on me now after screaming the house down. Longest stretch so far tonight has been 40 mins asleep Sad. I keep hoping it'll get better each night!!

Yes my Mum has helped me out before - it's been a while since I asked though, I'm actually embarrassed by the state of the house - which is my own issue as no one in my family has made me feel that way! I just can't believe how disgusting it is. We're just stuck in such a rut and it's massively spiralled. We don't have a dryer either so there's washing literally everywhere that we're trying to dry! Aah all these things I just took for granted pre-baby haha, so naive!!!

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koalarainbow · 06/03/2022 05:19

@TeainanIV how has the rest of your night been??

Nyfluff · 06/03/2022 05:38

My DD was like this. It was mostly from sensory processing disorder and proprioceptive input. It peaked at 16 months, then I was able to cosleep normally. BF every 40 mins when little, went to 2 hours around age 1. We just slept side by side, I'd latch and go back to sleep. A lot of baby wearing and nursing for naps, doing things you enjoy to take care of yourself builds your reserves. Perhaps a load of woo but the Amber teething necklace made a huge difference. The best thing that helped me was adjusting my own expectations and accepting it as an additional need instead of something to correct. As the senses integrated so did the sleep issues. Sleeping through at 4 years without a bother, still a couple of allergies. I knew other babies with similar difficulties and they panicked and did all sorts and lots of crying. With hindsight i'm so glad I responded the way I did, we have a great relationship now in teen years. I was alone with no family around so can't comment on that aspect.

FTEngineerM · 06/03/2022 07:21

I'm actually embarrassed by the state of the house

Definitely call in your mum/his mum to do it for you, or even just one main room. Imagine if your daughter calls you in twenty years time you’ll run and help, just like you’re doing for her now 😃. I totally get the whole mess thing making everything worse. I certainly felt a little less overwhelmed when things were tidy.

TeainanIV · 06/03/2022 09:06

@koalarainbow the same as always unfortunately Sad. She's all smiles this morning though which makes up for it!!

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TeainanIV · 06/03/2022 09:09

@Nyfluff that sounds very tough, very similar to our situation - I'm currently doing the same, just latching her on and trying to go back to sleep. It's nice to hear things improved and that you've got such a lucent bond with your daughter as a result!

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TeainanIV · 06/03/2022 09:11

@FTEngineerM you're right, I'd go without any hesitation! I know, I find it even harder to cope with the house the state it is - I think it's lack of control. I just feel like everything has spiraled - her sleep, our house!! I'm going to talk to my parents and see if they can help

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BrioLover · 06/03/2022 09:17

Oh OP have an unmumsnetty hug. I went through this with my second baby, it's utterly horrendous.

You've had lots of excellent advice on this thread but wanted to let you know that we use the Optibac probiotics. My boss recommended them as they worked for her daughter who has multiple allergies, and my boss is a clinical pharmacologist by training so I tend to trust her suggestions!

DS is 4 now and still allergic to dairy and soya, although he did grow out of egg at about age 2. A combination of the following worked for us: being fully dairy and soya free (including checking all food for soya lecithins), Optibac and raising one side of his cot mattress so he slept at an angle (I used a rolled up towel) and then the reflux acids didn't travel up his oesophagus as much.