SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 6 - now with added caffeine*

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Morning all,

Hope you find this!

for your rough night Amber.

After a few good ones, we had a crap one too. Up at 1.30, 3, 4.30, 5.30, 6.15........
I think she was a bit overtired last night. Hope we can get her napping better today .

So how were all your nights?

interesting post on 13 month sleep regression

Oh oh gonna have a look, always needing new excuses. You feeling better Amber?

meg!
ginger, yeah, mostly better, just a bit congested still.
tibs, i thought you wanted your boobs back. i can't believe you're contemplating no. 3 already!

this is meant to be a good book on tandem nursing tibs

morning

ginger poor lo. for once, i hope she did wake in the night, as you said, so she could have some milk. hope shes feeling better soon.

no, news flash to announce pg!!!

hey meg, good news then? a good excuse to spend a lot of time of the sofa tho

amber - yep no.3 def in the offing am just thinking about the tandem nursing atm. considering all the options. when i get into something, i get into it big stylee!!

actually, i must be mad to even consider another bubs after the night we had......
bed ok at 7.15pm
woke at 9.15pm dp went to hold her hand, took mins
woke at 10.45 as i went to bed, quick back rub
woke at 2.45am for milk (awake for 2 hours) arrrrrrggggghhhhhhh
dp just got her up now

so tired, i'm feeling sick this a.m (have got period, so def not pg

hope there were some better ones out there
thanks for the links amber. will look at them both x

Tibs: poor you . It's a nasty feeling being awake at that time of night, isn't it?

Amber: DS also struggling to get back to sleep after waking, so the 13 month thing makes a lot of sense, even if it is a week or so early for us.

Last night was horrid. I was working late so not back till 9:20 and DH had got DS to bed at about 9, no probs. Woke briefly at 10 when we went to bed, mega feed. Same at 12. Not too bad, but then woke 1:15, 2, 3, 4, 4:30 and mostly awake (I think) till 7 when I had to get up . He's so restless atm that as soon as DH or I move he's awake again and crying . Thanks for reassuring me that it is (yet another) phase. Am going to try stopping the feeding to sleep as DH managed it last night, but if it doesn't work out I'll just carry on as normal and cling on by my fingernails! Plus I'm taking DS for his 1 year jabs tomorrow. At least his sleep is buggered atm anyway, so it's unlikely to make it much worse (tell me it's not going to make it much worse!).

Ginger: hope your LO is feeling better.

Tibs: I'm aslo thinking vaguely about no. 2 but not after last night! Plus we need our bed back first .

Amber: hope your night was an improvement. Meg: hope yours continues to get better

Tam: you mentioned that your DS was all over the place at this age as well: can you remember when it got better?

Tibs, you are brave. We have decided that ideally we'd have a 3/4-year gap before no.2, as I've really loved being able to give my undivided attention all day, not sure I could do that with a toddler at home too!

We had a not too bad night, woke briefly at 11.30 then less briefly at 1.30 (awake for half an hour, so at least not as bad as two hours) then 4.30 (fed) and up for the day at 6.45.

Those of you who've done GW/GR, how would you handle this? I am at the 'holding in cot' stage which is fine most of the time, but at the 1.30 waking he was rolling onto his front, trying to get my attention by patting my face and pinching my arm, etc... did my best to ignore it all but felt like I was wrestling with him sometimes. Wondering if it's time to move on to just sitting by the cot so he's got no physical contact to stimulate him? But unless I keep rolling him onto his back I think it would take much longer to settle as he practises crawling...

X-posted EP, for your night, hope today is better for you.

Well I'm at my desk with an extra large coffee and a bacon roll, so not all bad . DH and DS still fast asleep when I left

Oh lordy EP, youre a star, after our night last night, i'd have a heck of a job to be at work as well. my total respect to you!!! re. the bed to self thing, i've told dp, i would like dd in her own room, so we can have the bedroom to ourselves for a bit and it certainly aint big enough for 4 of us!!

Meg - i must admit, it's been lovely to have the time to give all my attention to dd during the day whilst ds is at school. ive felt a bit like a first time mum again really. i'm just playing it all by ear atm. will see what happens. fro your night...sounds good to me!! with regard to the GR, I must confess that I didnt use it thru the night (too lazy tired ) i just used it to get dd to bed

EP, your night sounds horrendous. poor love. something is brewing with your ds, maybe it's all this walking lark. i know, excuses, excuses. i love moxie though. she makes it all sound sensible.

and tibs, what is the deal with a 2 hour waking. you're so brave to try for another. but i agree in wanting your bed back!

we had a decent night wakings+feeds at 12 and 4, up at 7. felt hellishly tired though. maybe its all catching up on me now i'vehad 2 nights ok sleep.

friends in Aus have their first baby due in 2 days. I hope they have an easier time than I have, but in a way I want them to report to all our friends that yeah having a baby is hard, and yeah, they don't sleep and No, Amber hasn't been whinging for no good reason for 9 months.

When i was expressing my hesitation to a friend lately about taking LO to a dinner party in South London in November and trying to put him to sleep there, she just couldn't understand what I was worried about. And then about our sleeping troubles she said "Surely ds is old enough to sleep for longer stretches now".

Surely...

Surely...

meg, i think it's going to be a 3/4 year gap here too, as next time I want to have some family around to cook/clean/rock baby/entertain toddler, so will wait until we move home.

'Surely he's old enough to sleep longer'

hahahahahahahaha

EP in answer to your question ds's sleep went nuts around 12/13 months but was ALOT better by 16 months. We went to portugal for that wedding in may and i remember that he was nearly sleeping through the night in bed with us. granted he wasn't going to sleep until 10ish as it was holiday and we co-slept as normal but it has improved steadily since then. HTH x

Hi to everyone. have reda all posts but so many to comment on. Will try to get back later to have a good read through.

Tibs hope you get some rest today.
meg and amber glad you had ok/good nights

3/4 year gap planned here too!
will maybe start tryiong for no.2 next summer (ds 2 in jan)

I second that 'surely hes old enough to sleep longer, ha, ha' and add a 'ha, ha, ha' of my own

Amber, when are you planning on going back to Aus?

dd just falling asleep on my lap whilst bfing, ahhh.......off to start a new library book when i put her to bed, yippeeeeee!!!!!!!!

X posted tam hi love!

well at least having sleep phobic bubbas hasnt put us all off completely

right, just put dd to bed, off to read!!!

EP and Tibsy for your nights.

Meg, I think what you're saying about stopping physical contact might be right but I wasn't very successful at that. We held hands for a while until she learned to sit herself up and then we were back to cuddling her or as we do now, lay on the bed with her and put her in her cot when she's asleep. I think this is a really trying time because you know fine well that they're tired but they're like overwound clock work toys that will just not give in. I just had to practically lay on DD to get her to sleep. She was protesting and given that she's not had a nap yet today I knew fine well that she was tired. Evry time I put her down she would roll over and sit back up. Very frustrating.

I'd be keen to go for another which strikes me as quite funny given that 50% of the time me and DH are killing each other because of tiredness and 50% of the time thinking about another!!

I crept into bed with DD at about 10.30 as we'd left her on the floor again and she slept until 4.30. milk, a bit of effort and an hour later back to sleep until 7. I'm seriously considering a bed. At least a proper matress so if she does roll out then she's not got far to go. I've been looking at a 4 foot matress which is bigger than a single and not as big as a double so one of us could squeeze in with her. I've also been putting her on a pillow and she seems to be settling better. I just think she clunks around the cot banging her head and waking herself up.

Tibs we're thinking of moving back late 2008 or early 2009. We're going for a holiday in December though and and [very nervous emoticon]

Amber, at your friend's innocence. My dad is having his retirement party in Greenwich, a looooong way for us to travel (train then tube then train), in the evening... he just said "You can get a babysitter can't you?"

at the idea of leaving DS with some poor teenager while we travel two hours away!

Ginger, I too have to restrain DS fairly firmly to get him to settle sometimes! I suppose that even if we don't get past the holding-to-sleep stage, it's an improvement on feeding or rocking, and will do until he's old enough to understand "Lie down and go to sleep and I'll double your pocket money"

Amber - am sure you'll have a lovely visit, but as the parent of a bubba who starts shouting after just 10 flaming mins of being restrained in her car seat, i would share your nervous emoticon am sure you'll be fine tho, and it must be nice to go back and see everyone.

ginger sleep til 4.30am was a fab stretch... about the hour to go back to sleep tho, i think i'd rather more mini wake ups than a long stretch

meg - dd is content for me to just lay beside her now to drift off to sleep, i'm happy with that....you'll get there even if it is to the unwritten stage of bribing lo with pocket money

Ah bribery, can't wait for that. Can't believe that I had to use a biscuit to bribe DD off the swing today. it's a slippery slope, I'll be very poor before too long.

yeah i'm predicting a lot of crawling up and down aisles annoying people we will thankfully (hopefully?) never see again.
LO has been a delight this afternoon. played in the sand at hte park then he actually ate dinner, a really good amount, and then we played soccer in the living room while he laughed hysterically, then we played caged animals behind the stair gate which also resulted in much hilarity. wish all days were like this!

Not that I wish to scare you, but my SIL took my niece to New Zealand (to see grandparents) when she was a toddler, flew first class for maximum comfort, and apparently the 'highlight' was my niece throwing a mega tantrum followed by running naked around the plane... I'm sure all the other passengers who'd paid six grand to travel first class were mightily impressed!

he he, i think i'd have to laugh if ds ran (or crawled) naked around the plane.
kudos to your niece.
we'll just be annoying hte economy passengers.

EP, can you tell me about Stoke Newington station? How pram-unfriendly is it?