SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 6 - now with added caffeine*

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Morning all,

Hope you find this!

for your rough night Amber.

After a few good ones, we had a crap one too. Up at 1.30, 3, 4.30, 5.30, 6.15........
I think she was a bit overtired last night. Hope we can get her napping better today .

So how were all your nights?

Hi Baz!

We had a pretty crap night too. He only had two (long) naps yesterday, I think he still sleeps better if he has a third nap and a slightly later bedtime. Up at 6am, when it was still not quite light (bleugh). Am still blaming teeth, though the second one shows no sign of breaking through yet.

Morning meg IBS and amber

Must be something in the water. crap night here too.
All a blur really but involved lots of crying for milk and being told no.

wouldn't eat his dinner at my mil's last night. Which was delicious and he normally always eats her food so he's either getting sick,teething back molars or turning into the tantrum child from hell.

Please god let it be one of the forst 2 as the 3rd isn't pretty and as a permamnet sahm I think i might go slowly insane!

Ug.

Glad I'm not alone. DS coughing so much last night he kept waking himself up and then vomited all over the bed . I thought of you, Tam! V unsettled after that and feeding a lot, prob cos he was hungry after all that.

Thanks for starting the new thread: need that caffeine!

Re the dog/cat thing, DH and I more cat people so may get one when we have a bit more space. Am thinking this morning that cat rather than another baby would be a LOT less hassle.

Tam: do you have any recommendation for books re toddlers? I've heard good things about Toddler Taming. DS def getting to that stage - pushing boundaries, getting a bit stroppy, shrieking when he can't get his own way.

EP i got toddler taming and best friend's guide to surviving the toddler years! the former I'm about third way through and latter haven't even looked at yet. Toddler taming good (ish) don't agree with everything he says but think that's the case with all books. (eg cc which he advocates)
glad ds isn't only one shrieking when he doesnt get his own way!

also for ds being sick on the bed. It's got to be one of the most soul destroying things at night when you have to start to clean up and resettle lo.

ds has banged so hard on this keyboard that the address bars have disappeared. sigh....

Well DS has already wrenched one of the keys off the laptop and jemmied another one off yesterday (luckily DH managed to fix it). Small children and computers NOT a good combination.

THe sick episode was at least at the beginning the the night and not in the small hours, so minimal swearing and kicking things involved.

Will have a look at Toddler Taming - I wasn't keen on the bf guide for new mums so might avoid the toddler one. Her pg one was good, though.

HI All

No time to respond to everyone I'm affraid as I have to get off swimming.

Tam, you are definately doing the right thing standing your ground. DD is also already a little madam. Boy I dread the terrible twos!!

We had a reasonably good night I think. DH got up and I hardly heard her but I had to give her piriton last night. Last night after her bath she was rolling around on her bed and we were playing and she broke out in a really itchy rash like a nettle sting. The cat had been layin on my bed and she had its hair stuck to her so I'm guessing it was a reaction. Anyway, poor little love was very itchy so I had to give her some antihistamine which could explain why she slept so well.

We had a great weekend tho. Went to a wedding reception Sat night and DD had so much fun chasing ballons around the room and watching the bigger kids. Sunday we went to the zoo which DD loved.

I've decided to try and 'relax' a bit about napping because now shes at nursery and they're not following any rules it makes it difficult to follow a strict routine at home. So she fell asleep about 10.20 and is still there. I have to wake her in a minute because we've got swimming so she'll probably need another nap about 3.30 ish which isn't an ideal time but perhaps I'll ust let her have a short one. Actually it feels quite liberating

found you ibs!!!!

amber, very for your horrendous night love. hope you manage to get some rest today x

ibs, [sad[ for your night too. hope lo manages to have some decent naps today

meg, you too ...oh dear, whats going on with these little tikes?

oh lordy, tam and EP too, what the heck?????

EP, dd is a shrieker too. shes definitely taking my role of mother to another level, ds was so very different, very placid....note to sel: must stop comparing them

our night was ok, only 2 wakings (i think)... 1st at 12.30am, then again at 2.30, so i gave her a bottle and she slept til 7.30
am thinking of trying to disassociate waking with the comfort of the boob? ie giving her a bottle instead...

......oh, and the facial was absolute bloody bliss!!!! i must confess to thinking that beauty treatments were rather superficial .....that was before! i came away feeling like a goddess
started with a mini back massage, whilst i had a hot water bottle on my lower back. i then turned over (hot water bottle placed on my tummy) and had the facial, inc a pressure point massage and goodness knows what else! i even had my hands massaged whilst waiting for the face mask to 'set'....crikey!!!!
would definitely like to go again, will put in an order to dp

hope you lovely ladies are all having good days

Morning everyone,

ginger - glad you had a good weekend. hope DD's rash improves after the piriton.

EP - we have christopher green's "babies!" book. I quite like the relaxed, trust your own judgement kind of tone. So we'll be getting "toddler taming" too when the time comes.

Tam for your crap night. hope the food stuff improves soon.

Meg for your dodgy one too. BTW we gave DD her first finger foods - toast - for brekkie. She definitely ate quite a bit less than if eating mash, but seemed to be enjoying herself. So I guess we'll bimble along doing a bit of both for now.

x posted tibs! glad you enjoyed your pampering .

ooops, x posted and hi to ginger, sounds like a lovely weekend, enjoy the swimming

hi ibs!!

hi ginger enjoy swimming an douy new found napping liberation

IBS you summed Christopher green's book up well i also like the tone of his advice.

Tibs so of your facial. Makes menatl note to book in for one soon.

better go got to try and tesco order down befroe ds wakes up

that was supposed to be and your new found liberation

Ginger: we found the same re naps since DS started at the cms. Not much point in trying for a strict routine with 3 people doing the childcare in rotation!

phew, i found you. took me a while
i thought, gee siftw is quiet today, and then i thought ahah, i guess they got to big and nicked off somewhere!

i'm trying to chill out about naps too ginger/ep. at first i thought i had to be obsessive about it because that would fix the nighttime sleep. but there doesn't seem to be that much relationship, so if we're at home i try to do similar timed naps, but i'm liberating myself to be out at naptime if that so happens. it is a much much saner way to live.
tibs, that facial sounds wonderful! i've actually got a voucher sitting in my purse since may, must book in and have that darn facial.

amber and tam, get on and book 'em!!!!

well, dd went to bed at 5.50pm heck!!!!......am wondering what tonight will bring and also, what bloody time she'll want to get up?

am going to lounge on the sofa and read a book i think, dp gone out to celebrate his mates bday, so i might crack open a bottle of ale and sup it genteely whilst browsing thru a literary classic!!

catch you all laters alligators

What you reading, Tibsy?

For all those more relaxed about naps, I salute you. I have yet to find a great correlation between daytime and night-time sleep. Yesterday LO napped exactly 'right' for his age (two long naps, morning and afternoon) and still slept terribly at night. Today he had 3 x 30-min naps, so we'll see what happens... think he was unsettled because I took off his cot bumpers, after waking up at 6am this morning to find that he'd got his head right under one . Anyone got any ideas for how to stop him getting his arms stuck in the bars now?

Hi, I hope it's okay if I squeeze into this thread before it gets huge. Am just here to say that 5am wakes are about standard, and I also can't find much of a correlation between the perfect day naps and the later mornings, and I've tried so hard to get the naps right and when I get them perfect I'm always 'hurray!' and then there she is at 4am standing up in the cot.

How do people go about things around a 5am wake? I usually wait till 6am to feed her, but as she sleeps quite soon after the feed, maybe it's more sensible to just feed her as soon as she wakes. But then sometimes after a feed she doesn't go back to sleep for hours.

Macneil: DS does tend to sleept till at least 7 so I can't help there. He wakes a LOT at night though.

Tibs: DS also gone to bed early, prob tired out after shenanigans last night and cm today. Also gave him some Medised as he's still snotty and a bit hot.

WEDS: are we trying to meet up? I'm free, though might have to bow out if DS still not well - sure I would not be popular if we passed on the lurgy!

Hi all - I used pop in to SIFTW, but my now 13 month DS has started sleeping much better in the last couple of weeks. Still regularly wakes at 5am and I bf and hope that he'll go back to sleep. Just wanted to say that I don't think you can be perfect with the naps, I spent time agonizing over it, but now just try and put him down when he looks tired. Also he goes to a childminder 2 days a week and often only has a brief nap in the car or buggy - seems to make no difference to nighttime, good or bad.

One thing we did start doing was that I decided that I was fed up bf on demand at night. I sent DH in with a cup of water and a cuddle and vowed not to feed unless DS got really upset. There was some crying, but DS took it fairly well (and he had his dad with him all the time) and now seems to be sleeping through until the aforementioned 5am. There also seems to be no difference if he falls asleep on the boob at bedtime or goes down awake either - I think he's just contrary .

hi mae good to hear from you! glad your ds is doing so well

Tibs that's a very early night. make the most of your time alone. Ds fast asleep now too but dh and I are on a no alcohol week and no carbs after 6 and i would really kill for a glass of wine right now.

welcome macneil
My ds is nearly 20 months old (how did that happen?!)so am afraid i've forgotten quite alot and also like effie's ds he's never been an early riser because he wakes through the night. Not sure which i would prefer tbh.

meg we've never had cot bumpers on ds's cot but ds didn't get stuck very often so no top tips unfortunately. He did rattle off the side quite a bit but now that he's sprawled out between us every night the lack of cot bumpers is sadly one problem we don't have

Oh eek, am alarmed at the thought of no sleep at 20 months. But hey ho, am trying to get pregnant again so maybe if I get lucky I'll just have 3 years of sleeplessness and it will all be over, or something like that. Am going to sit back and listen to wisdom of you veterans now.