Sleep is for the Weak! we got too big?!!??!?!!??

[cruisemum1]

can you believe that?! we got too big?
we should surely get an award from Mumsnet?

tibs - horrible night, poor you.

i think my LO is designed to get up at 5.30am much to my horror.

Hey Tibs, for your bad night. After our epic screaming sesh she woke at 2. I took her into bed and no amount of resistence could prevent the inevitable feed at 2.30. She did take water and settled for about 3 minutes then decided it wasn't substantial enough. Anyway, awake again at 5.30 patted, awake at 6 and feed. Didn't help that I couldn't sleep until nearly 12 because of the earlier trauma so I'm bushed too.

She's just fallen asleep on a cushion in the lounge watching Balamory Is that terrible for an 8 1/2 month old?

thanks ladies
after the 1am feed, she decided to practise her sounds too, mamamamam, dadadadada, nanananana, etc etc. very cute, but not quite what i was wanting to hear then!! zzzzzzzzz was more like i was thinking

for all those sh** nights out there, except for redbeki

Well, I have pretty much decided to do cc tonight . Can't believe I have got to this point, but I just can't go on with this little sleep and GW doesn't seem to be working. She just won't let me get to the stage of sitting by the cot without touching her, without going into meltdown and I actually think I'm prolonging the agony by being there.

My only worry (hahah, apart from me falling apart and giving in) is how to deal with the night feeds. I have got her down to 1-2 but she won't settle without one somewhere aroubnd 4-5 at the moment. How should I play this with cc? Set a feedtime and only feed her then? Better to make it a 'dream feed' or an early morning one??

Oh and redbeki I'll use the lavender oil too!

Wish me luck...

ginger, is it still on, i'll try it with dd
lilysma, i wish you luck. you'll be ok, you're a lovely mummy and i know its been a difficult decision to make. dont know about the feeds i'm afraid. perhaps cruise can help you?

ginger dd sounds so cute..asleep on a cushion awwwww....
lillysma have never done cc and ds not bf anymore so am absolutely no use to you either i'm afraid. cruise is the lady you need or you could start a thread on it.
I still pat/sing etc to ds at night so you're not alone. just hope i'm not still doing it when he's 16!

Hello everyone. Happy new sleepsy thread

This is to answer music question from previous thread (!). Think it was Swizzler who asked about it...The music we use doesnt sound quite as plinky plonky as metal prongs but you dont have to go to borneo to get it (HMV I think!) It's called 'Lovely Sleepy Baby.' There's a childrens music section and you'll find it in there. I think it helps and we use it at naps and bedtime. If she really wont settle in the night then we stick it on then too. We had to get a cd player for her room as it used to be played loudly throughout the house and DP was really starting to go a bit loopy about it being on all the time! Great at the moment cos there are noisy builders next door who like to taunt me by grinding stones at naptime!

lilysma - has your little one got a comfort toy? I was scared to give mine one of these for the first 6 months but she has a little rabbit now which I think helps her to settle. (She only has it at nap/sleeptimes.) We stayed with her when trying to get her to sleep but it took 1.30, 1.20, 45 for the first 3 days and now just a few minutes. I hav thought that it might have been quicker with CC though as sometimes if I have to go out to go to the loo I've noticed she has calmed down much quicker and is easier to settle when I go back in again.

Thing to remember is that you're doing it for your baby. (Keep telling yourself!)And if you can stick with it for a few days then things should improve. Hope this helps. Best of luck. x

chocolatte, i gave ds a cuski a few weeks ago (after i slept with it in my top for a night) and he has really taken to it. in fact he woke once shortly after he went to bed last night and DH just went and put the cuski in his hands and he went to sleep. i think its taken him a while but now he really likes it and hugs it and flings it around the cot before going to sleep.

Hi Girls, had a great night. Dd slept from 8.30 to 7.00 and only woke once for soother. Yahoooo..... although there was a blue moon out last night and I really should have taken the opurtunity to go to bed early.....but I didn't (silly girl)
Didn't get the Medised yet but I will have it by Wed thank God because the dribbling is worse and that nappy rash won't go away. I am also interested in trying that Lavender oil. Any particular brand?

What ages are the babies of the non sleeperes club?! DD is 17 months now.

Amber, it's so cute seeing them snuggle up to their little sleepy toy isnt it? I agree that it took a little while to help the sleep along but I think it does now.

VM - Brilliant!

VM that is brillaint news my ds is 16 months on 25th may.
Think ours are the oldest with cruise's ds and tisby and ginger's dd's coming up behind us at around 9/ 10 months.the rest if iirc are younger. have to admit from totally selfish point of view it's been nice having you around with an older toddler to make me feel less inadequate! only kidding i'd rather you got some sleep

chocolatte, it doesn't seem to help him stay asleep, but it does seem to help the settling.

hi all, hope you've all had good days
VM - for your night, and as Tam said, my dd is 9 months on the 27th
chocolatte - am liking the sound of the plinky plonky music. will check it out
have posted in the book section, but just wondered if any of my sleepless chums have read 'The Birth Of A Mother - How Motherhood Changes You Forever'? it was recommended in a natural health mag, but no review was given, just wondered if it was any cop?

thanks all, will try to give her cuddly toy - she sort of has one but not sure if it helps. worth a try tho...

morning all. dreadful night here. won't bore you with the finer details but basically it involved ds hard to settle for bed, was sick in his cot about 11 and went back to sleep about 3.
napping atm.
off to make myself a strong coffee to keep my eyes open. hope there were some more successful nights out there. x

poor ds tam and poor you. hope hes feeling better today.
we had a crap night too, poor dd still getting teething pains even tho theyve poked thru still, we went back to bed this a.m and had 1 1/2 hours nap think i might do the same again this afternoon

hi tibs. feeling a bit of a failure today think it's the tiredness. have started to wonder about putting ds in his own room but there are a number of issues
1/ dh (believe it or not!) would prefer him to stay with us
2/ his room is opposite the bathroom and so would be the noisiest place to sleep
3/ we move in a few months so am thinking maybe 2 moves might really confuse him and we would be better to wait and do the new house new room thing all at once
4/if he wakes it'll be more knackering for me having to get up and go next door
5/....don't even know if i really want him to move
.....god i'm all mixed up. as you know usually i'm ok with our set up but questioning myself today....
anyway don't worry not looking for answers just rambling on

tam, poor you, sweetheart. it is because you're tired as you know. i nearly burst into tears yesterday as dp was leaving for work. weakens our defences and resistance this lack of sleep lark
i know you're not looking for an answer, but, imo, i'd leave him where he is for the duration and when you move, you can make it into a really special thing for him to move into his own space. my friend decorated her sons bedroom and painted glow in the dark spaceships, stars,... the lot. he absolutely adored it and i'm sure it helped with the transition for all concerned

Bad night for us as well - no reason that I can see (apart from short afternoon nap) but DS was waking every hour or so and mostly awake from 1 to about 6 .

Thanks for the music tip - will check it out.

Have been to Waterstones and got the Millpond book and also the Weissbluth one. I don't like following regimes, but thought they looked like they were qualified to give advice IYSWIM. The Weissbluth has stuff on naps, so will def check that out and will report progress!

Lilysma: how did last night go?

Am really fed up with this now, and am also feeling less horrified at the idea of leaving DS to cry a little (don't think I could do CC atm, but check again in a couple of months!).

thanks tibs.
and for you and swizz too. x
swizz hope you get time to read up and please come back and give us any tit bits of wisdom.
ds been asleep for over 2 hours. don't get why naps are perfect but night isn't. i'm sure there's some psychological explanantion. keep meaning to buy '3 in a bed' for some insight X

Hi sleepy people! Hi Tamdin I know what you mean about having a toddler that will not sleep. It's nice to know I'm not the only one
Sorry for everyone's bad night.... We had one as well. Fell into bed at 10.30 and hadn't even closed eyes when dd woke hysterical. When I lifted her she pointed to the door in between her sobs I just couldn't settle her at all. Even when I took her to the spare room she was not happy like she normally is. She tossed and turned all night and then decided she was getting up at 6.30. I have to work today but I'm off tomorrow so not so bad but my poor mother is at home with a very cranky baby on her hands.
Tamdin you're not a failure. Every few weeks or so the pure tiredness catches up even if you have good nights in a row, it is still broken sleep and after this long it begins to affect. You're having a bad day, come on now more coffee for you...

tam, is the 3 in a bed to do with co sleeping? have heard the title, but dont know anything about it have sent for a lovely t shirt for dd from lactivist.co.uk ... it says 'i let my parents sleep in the big bed with me'
just about says it all!!!!
poor you too swizz, must have been something in the air last night? will def await for any pearls of wisdom to be gleaned from your books

VM, poor lo ...and work too after a bad night, yuck. i went to a meeting last night at work and left feeling quite inspired to return to work a day or so a week (am self employed so could choose really) but after last night, am not so sure i am getting to miss it a little now, but feeling like i do today, couldnt imagine treating anyone. i'd need to be on the couch myself!!!

come on girls, what is it you say tam?... 'its only a phase'

Hmm, quick look through books and am not hopeful - more of the same cc or leaving baby to settle himself to sleep. Just don't know if I'm happy with that approach. All this 'babies don't need feeding at night after 6 months' or 'babies can sleep through the night at 6 months' is just depressing me . All the stuff about routines, quiet times before bed, spacing feeds etc. I already know.

Sorry ladies, may be taking the books back and keeping going on instinct (and your advice, of course!).

Asking myself if life would be a lot better without any wakings at all? Prob not... last night was hellish but unusual. DS is a happy, well developed, sociable baby. He is gradually getting better (I keeping telling myself this). I'm not going to let him cry himself to sleep - how is this natural or normal? So Waterstones will be refunding my 20 quid and I'll be with you all for the foreseeable future

Oh, I will be re-reading the NCSS (and forcing it on DH) to wait for an update