The non-sleepers are still not sleeping

[NinaMarieP]

New thread, guys!

Should of said the nap/feed/snuggle situation is during the day x

@cheshiremama89 not that I'm an expert but I really wouldn't worry about routines and rods at 8 weeks. I personally don't think they need it until their older, we started a rough routine at 6 months mostly dictated by DS.

@onone85
Christ that all sounds horrendously difficult - well done to you for managing it. And good luck for going back to work I know how difficult a transition that is. I’m glad DH has taken the kids off for a bit and given you a break. Don’t be so hard on yourself and take each day at a time. I’m sorry if that sounds completely inane but it’s how I got through each day with dd1 who was and is a joyous and beautiful little girl but didn’t sleep and was on heart medication for a year along with the bloody reflux
@meepmoop
I was advised to start solids early with dd1 by doctor due to reflux and medication. She was constantly constipated. Even the scent of a banana would bung her up and then she would be grumpy. For days. Oh I could write a bloody book on the travails of baby constipation. Favourite remedy for stubborn conscription was purée prunes (Ella’s kitchens pouch are nice and easy) or the “poo goo” as we dubbed it (home made apricots and prune purée). Had a 24 hour impact time. Plums apricots papaya are all good for unbunging baby naturally. And in extremis - glycerin suppository - but only for absolutely dire straits....
This is all too much info. Sorry.

Thanks @UtterlyConfused111 I will be going to the shop tomorrow to get some prune/apricot purée!

I'm already on wake up number 1 so not looking good for the night

Cheshire at 8 weeks I wouldn't worry about routine or making a rod for your own back. Ds had no routine at that age, I think they are too little then. Ds fell into his own routine around 12ish weeks. I still feed ds to sleep at 6months and don't see it as a problem. They are still little and if it works why not?

Wake up 1 here too. Shit naps today so who knows what's in store...

We've had first wake up here too

I have a non sleeping 3.5 year old, last night 4am came and I still wasn’t asleep then my 1 year old had me up at 5am. My 3.5 year old has never slept more than a few hours since birth

0-12 months he woke 45-60 minutes day or night nothing helped

3.5 years later I’m like a walking zombie

Sending strong and hopeful thoughts for a better night for everyone. We had shit naps today too but currently she’s flat out after going down very easily around 7:30. We’ve just started weaning and she has a tummy full of milk and sweet potato, so I’m hoping this will keep her happy for a good long stretch... she always wants to feed when waking but I’m never sure if she’s genuinely hungry or it’s just habit. Surely at 6 months she doesn’t really need to feed every 90 mins/2 hours?

@meepmoop, hope you get poo! (Not something you wish people all that often )

@cheshire I’d say sleep any which way that works! 8 weeks is too young for anything other than feed, sleep and cuddles as and when they want them. And if you can combine all three, better still!

@oneone sometimes it just all has to come out. So glad DH was understanding and gave you some time to chill out a bit. Hope it has helped.

First wake up already, hope it's not a sign. Ds managed a 3 hour stretch last night, doesn't seem that much but it's good for us, perhaps he'll do it again.

Shite naps too and 1 wake up already. Let's hope it improves

@meepmoop I definitely second the Ella's prunes. Marvellous stuff when my DS was constipated. Not so marvellous at the other end but it cheered him up.

@cheshire do not worry about routine etc at this stage. I thought I had a routine a few months ago and it's totally gone to shit so just enjoy those cuddly, early days while you can!

We've been put for tea with some friends so got home slightly later than DS normal bedtime but he was chewy enough. I let him nap after 330 for the first time in weeks as Ive pretty much just given up today, he can do what he likes, ha! Anyhoo he's gone down fighting. Finally asleep though so fingers, legs, toes and anything else crossed that he stays asleep later than 1030 tonight.

Hope everyone has a good night. You've all got this...👍🏼

I can scarcely believe it but dd has not woken since I put her down at 6:45-7ish. I laid next to her in the spare bed and actually dozed off myself. She went to sleep just laying there. Then I transferred to cot.

Thank @FrozenMargarita17 this is such happy news. 👌👌👌

Leap 6 will be the end of me. My little guy is super emotional, fought naps all day and spent the whole of last night kicking me and waking up every 30 minutes. The last time this happened, he learned to sit up. Maybe he'll be crawling soon.

We've decided to make him a floor bed in our room instead of the cot. I mean it's not working great so far because he's asleep in the middle of our bed and I'm sitting on the baby mattress on the floor.

People who have more than one child must have had 'easy' first borns.

In other news, diet life is off and I've eaten some EAster egg and Birthday Cake flavour Ben and Jerry's tonight. Feed the sleepless junk food.

Hey non sleepers , just checking in. A lot happens on here in a day it's hard to keep up!

Ds2 is being weird at bedtime lately, he seems to want feeding around 6.30/7 while ds1 is going to bed but then is refusing to feed at 8 when I'm trying to put him to bed. So I end up spending half an hour walking around, shushing, patting, swaying eating chocolate and then he won't go in his cot, wakes up angry and wants feeding. I just can't work him out.

I think maybe he needs an earlier bedtime but it's hard because I have ds1 to put to bed as well and if I'm constantly having to go and settle ds2 then I can't get ds1s bedtime routine done.

Massive row with AH last night, still not talking too him which is difficult when you really need someone to make you a brew.
He seems to think that he's off duty as soon as ds1 is in bed and he can then do what the fuck he wants. Literally as soon as he comes down from putting him to bed he's getting his coat on and off to his mates house. Why does he think that's ok?

I know he's not my slave but he could at least stay and ask if I need anything or make me a brew before he goes, knowing my hands are full.
So so mad. Fed up of doing everything for everyone, I feel like I'm not a person anymore.

Rant over.

Pass the chocolate this way please.

Hi everyone!
I was on one of the old Non-Sleeper threads and now I'm back! I'm sorry and so happy to see so many of us on here, it's nice to know you're not alone.
DS is 5.5mo.. 8 days from the end of leap 5 for those of you who use WW. He will now only feed to sleep for naps and bedtime and his naps are always 40 mins to the minute. I've managed to graduate him from only napping in my arms to feeding to sleep on my bed and then ninja rolling my way out after building a pillow buffer around him. But he's still up minimum 2 times a night to feed and often ends up in the bed with us too.

I'm planning on starting the sleep wave method from the happy sleeper book on Tuesday. Has anyone tried it before?

In other news... I became an aunty today

3rd wake up since 9.30, I am alone with no help from AH and am a broken woman, Ds already in my bed, I try to be strong but I just need sleep, I can't keep getting up to him.

Ha @justanotheruser I had a second DC and my DD was a shit sleeper for the first two years! She's now almost 3 and mostly sleeps through...only started to once DS arrived though, so I spent my entire pregnancy worrying about it and not getting much sleep! We were told by everyone that you're unlikely to get two bad sleepers and that we 'deserved' a better sleeper...true, but still didn't happen!

@salene that sounds awful. That's a very long time to be suffering with no sleep.

I'd love some Easter choc but it's in the garage! There are however some M&S salted caramel and choc hot cross buns downstairs...very tempted!

So I usually get DS down to bed for 8 ish (starting around 7.30). Fits in with DD's bedtime routine. Past week he's been waking at 11. Today he was very tired at 7 so thought I'd get him down earlier. He's awake now. So not really a fix! I'm just having to accept we're in the grips of the 4 month regression and will just have to go with it. At least DH can take him in the morning so I can kip...

Good luck tonight everyone - failing that, may the eating of Easter goodies be mighty!

@lizzlebizzle33 it's not fair he leaves because obviously baby won't stay asleep! My Dh knows that she doesn't just go down to sleep and stay there!

Hi @GimbleInTheWabe congratulations on becoming an aunty!

My Ds2 is almost 5 months, I don't follow any development guides or anything, what is leap 5?x

@Frozen, he hasn't once tried to help settle him at night, he sleeps on the couch so I can co sleep as I didn't want him in the bed because he's a smoker. He oblivious to how many times I'm up in the night.

Sometimes I'm not sure if having kids may have broken us, we're not how we used to be. I don't look at him how I used to, I'm mad with him all the time. Maybe it's just because im just so horrifically tired. I hope it gets better.

Thank you @lizzlebizzle33! Leap 5 is from the Wonder Weeks development guide. You put in your baby's due date and it plots their development in an app and it tells you when you're baby is going through a developmental 'leap' and therefore they'll be more fussy. I've found it sometimes spot on and sometimes less so. It's always nice to have something to blame grumbly behaviour on though! How does DS2s sleep compare to DS1s?

@lizzlebizzle33 I feel the same. He says things like he thinks I don't love him anymore etc and I get annoyed at him for adding one more thing to my list 'show Dh I love him'. I've tried to explain that I do love him, I'm very tired, and I show I love him by DOING EVERYTHING. I said if he could pick up more things then I'll be less stressed and have more time. He seemed to take this on board which is why he's had dd overnight for the past few weekends. I think he just sometimes can't see past his own bloody nose.

I do love him, I just find him so annoying sometimes. And I find the fact that I have to tell him what to do really off-putting but I told him this and it's like a switch went in his head.

I think it was baby jealousy. He would often say that he was sad at how much time I spent with her - saying that obviously he knew that was how t was going to be and obviously wasn't saying I shouldn't be spending as much time or attention but I think he imagined being a dad to be different. But then I imagined being a mum would be different. I didn't imagine I'd have PND and spend the first six months of her life in tears, angry, resentful and hating myself for not being good enough. He had no idea how to help me either. He still doesn't.

@GimbleInTheWabe congratulations!! Being an auntie is the best!!