The non-sleepers are still not sleeping

[NinaMarieP]

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Hi everyone, we're back from our trip away. We had no internet so lots to read through. Sorry there's been some rubbish nights.
DS slept the same when we were away which was good. I'm very surprised as travel cots are not comfortable at all and I thought there was no way he would sleep. He even stayed asleep long enough for us to use the hot tub outside (had the monitor with us)

I'm debating whether to try to night wean or not. I think he's waking out of habit but then I don't know if i can be bothered as feeding him back to sleep is so easy

Dd did a really long stretch last night waking up at 4am. I brought her in with us and she kept crying in her sleep until 7ish

DS actually slept well last night, up at 1 and 2.30 but somehow managed to move off the sensor of his movement monitor. Cue us all woken at 5 and me and DH rushing upstairs! He did go back to sleep until 7.30 though.

mummycuddles DS is the same, he heard DH footsteps and whips his head round and then won't feed til he sees DH.

meepmoop glad you had a nice time away. I am considering night weaning too but worried I will just make life harder for myself.

So he slept from 8.30, DH roused him long enough to give him his dream feed at midnight, then straight back to sleep until 7.30 this morning. I'm in bloody shock.

That's great @flowerpicture!!

DS refuses his afternoon nap which means he has been awake for 7hours straight!! Now doing bedtime feed and praying he goes to sleep and stays asleep

I don't know what's happening but he's just had a 4-hour nap after a 90-minute nap this morning!! Please remind me of this euphoria next week when he's back to being a screaming stubborn mess!

It's not going well...

meepmoop hope you're night gets better. Over tiredness from not napping makes everything so much more difficult.

Apart from yesterday Ds has been managing ok in his cot in the evening then first time he wakes after I've gone to bed he comes into bed with me. I've been thinking about it a lot and wondered if I was doing the right thing bed sharing still. I've decided that he sleeps better so must be benefiting from it, and on a selfish level it's easier for me. Also, he will only be this little once and I don't want to look back when he's older and doesn't need me as much (in that way) and feel like I missed being close to him while I could.

Managed to get him to sleep for an hour but he's awake and angry again,

I did manage to spend that hour planting out the veg bed which was very therapeutic

If it's working for you @MummyCuddlesSolveEverything then it must be the right thing to do

He's woken up 3 times since 7 so I guess it was too much to hope that we'd turned a corner.

I just had the scare of my frickin' life though. Went up to check on him as he'd gone very still and quiet on the monitor. Found him with a bloody cellular blanket wrapped around his face! Took it off in a panic and he was lying there with his fucking eyes open not moving like he was dead! I don't even know how the blanket got in the cot - he sleeps in a sleeping bag, and I didn't see it on the monitor. Wtf???? Anyway I grabbed him and he stressed out at me for waking him so I guess he was fine, just sleeping with his eyes open? Idk but Jesus Christ. I lost about 10 years of my own life in that moment and I'm never having a blanket anywhere near his cot again, and I'm not taking my eyes off that monitor for a second!

That sounds terrifying @flowerpicture glad he was okay!! They like to keep us on edge!

I had it the other day, the monitor was showing the camera looking at an odd angle. When I went in he had it wrapped around him!! It's now balancing on a chair not the cot.

@flowerpicture OMG! You could have had a heart attack! So freaking scary Jesus! Glad all is well!! Suddenly not sleeping lost all importance!
I've had that once. We had the monitor on and it controls her breathing, so it beeps if she stops breathing, so I had just started doing controlled crying and she had been crying for a while already and then suddenly I am outside the bedroom door when the "not breathing" alarm goes on!! I can't even say the way I was! Basically she gave such a deep breath to recover and the sensibility of the monitor was so high that it started beeping. That definitely made me post pone any sleep training! I have a heart condition so if I had a monitor at that point we could see on a chart how the biggest scare of your life looks like...

flowerpicture that sounds horrible! So worrying! DS movement alarm went off at 5 again today, not sure why he couldn't settle until 2, maybe the heat? Finally went to sleep in just a nappy (well 2 nappies) and slept for 3 hours. We all have his cold now too

I've been reading that a couple of people had better nights this weekend! I'm really glad! I've been pretty lucky as well! We've had 3 better nights so far. Of course with DH helping it's been easier but still, before he tried and DD wouldn't cope either way. So I've changed my routine because I really think she sleeps poorly due to overtiredness from not napping after 1pm until 18h30 when finally she goes down. So for last 2 days we got out with her in the afternoon and she a has a less than 20 minutes nap in the car when we come back home, which seems to reboot her a bit and she gets way less cranky. I usually breastfeed her before coming back home. Then she has that short nap (even just 10 min do the trick), then we arrive home, I bathe her, then dinner, then play (to see if she passes wind) then she starts showing sleepy signs, we go up, breastfeed, put on sleeping bag, cot, nigh night. Like this she has been sleeping better, sometimes 3h in a row. So I hope we get a bit of a break. I know it won't probably last so I will enjoy it while it lasts...

Ahh we're on hourly wake ups, it's not going to be a good night...

Strength to you all.. I know I need it x

After a terrible night and day for naps I tried following haypanky example and put DS to bed at 6 (usually 7/7.30) we had wake ups at 9, 3.30 and 5.30 so much improved

Bad night... The monitor kept beeping because the room was too hot. Baby had been sleeping fine until then. Then we got too concerned and started fiddling with baby, taking her from sleeping bag, opening windows. Terrible idea. Next time we will stay put. People keep warning us about baby's room should be at 19C but my baby sleeps much better when she is warm. Again, not all babies are the same and of course safety first, but she is 8 months now so I think we need to chill a bit more.

Our DS's room is usually around 22 he likes it warm. They'll usually let you know if they're not comfortable.

So we're definitely in leap 7. I'm going to name this one the battle of the naps..

A so-so night here.

Bed at 6.30
Awake 7.30
Sleep 8
Awake 9 (5 minutes)
Awake 11.30 (dream feed, change)
Sleep for the night at midnight
Awake 7 (feed, change)
Sleep 7.20
Awake 8.30 and up

He's learned a new trick of wiggling out of his sleep sack and rolling down to the bottom of the cot to sleep on his front in just his vest. That's great fun for me. He's only bloody 4 months.

No naps today. Like, at all. Kill meeeeeeeee

@flowerpicture your night sounds good to me! I don't know how it was before but it seems like a great improvement! He does seem overtired since he is waking up so much in the beginning of the night. I guess he fights an afternoon nap?
No naps? could it be the heat upsetting him? Is he cranky or content? Babies need naps! But mums need them more! I'm hoping my DD will sleep at least 20 min so that I can drink a coffee! She has actually nap a lot today...I'm wondering if she will give me a bad night again....
Good luck @flowerpicture! Hope he settles soon and gives you a rest!

@flowerpicture I just read my post, I hope it doesn't sounds like I'm bragging from my DD napping today! I'm genuinely concerned that she will give me a bad night. Last night was bad and it seems she is compensating with naps today. Not ideal! And she is not a good napper! Really unusual... She rarely goes 4 h sleeping at night in a row, like maybe 2 times... And she is 8 months. So sleeping from midnight to 7am sounds totally out of my reach... Again, hope he calms down soon and hopefully less wake ups over night!

@Bartos I guess it's all relative, isn't it? He's an ok night sleeper for the most part, but atrocious at napping. About once a week he'll have a good 2-3 hour nap, but the rest of the time it's all catnap crankiness. He can't seem to stay asleep for more than 10 minutes through the day and annoyingly he's the kind of baby who REALLY needs good sleep in order to life his mood. It's draining really, 12 hours of near constant whining and crying. Can hardly put him down.