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Non-sleepers unite...

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Jellybean2017 · 18/01/2018 22:40

New thread for night (and daytime!) chatter for those awake more than they'd like with a non sleeping baby/child 😊

My DS is five months. First baby likely to be only baby if I don't start getting more sleep He is a nap and sleep fighter but incredibly cute so I choose to forgive him 😂

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Catscatsandmorecats · 03/02/2018 03:54

I can't get DS2 back down, he's snoozing propped up on me so sent DH to check on DS1 who seems to have some back to sleep - there will be lots of raise and hugs for him in the morning - I am amazed!

Will be doing lots of MNing now to keep me awake and not drop DS2 - I'd better keep the phone away from.his head :)

user1489931797 · 03/02/2018 04:22

Morning everyone

I really need your help

I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere with baby and Drs sometimes I do and it's 2 steps forward but the 3 steps back

It's bad reflux suspected CMPA and still not having a comfortable baby

He definitely has moments of being happy and content now but that's only in comparison to 8 weeks of hell where if he was awake he'd be crying the place down or feeding and that was it nothing else.

We are on ranitidine and nutramigen but always being sick and only now after 11weeks finally back on the trajectory he should be on weight wise.

Past week it's been like back to square one, projectile vomiting, screaming in his sleep crying inconsolably after a feed, terrible wind both ends to the point it's hurting him.

He still will only sleep for any decent length of time in our arms got him a reflux wedge for under mattress which helps but still can only sleep in Moses for 2hrs max.

He wakes every 3hrs crying hungry but at most takes 4oz but mainly throughout day will only take 1-3oz max at a time every 2hrs which for an 11week old still seems quite intense feeding wise.

I don't feel quite getting there with Drs we are having to jump through hoops and work through a list which seems to be taking forever!

Sometimes i think it's just reflux and just for some reason don't feel like he really does have CMPA but then would flare ups of baby acne, constipation, discomfort with wind, spit up, regurgitation and vomiting be reflux alone?!

I'm at my wits end yesterday I was up from 1am until 10:30pm this can't carry on!

Catscatsandmorecats · 03/02/2018 04:52

user that is awful for you, stick to your guns to see a peadiatrician and possibly dietician too. I cannot imagine how hard it is for you. Big hugs

cheshiremama89 · 03/02/2018 04:58

I think labour is starting...

user1489931797 · 03/02/2018 05:03

Thank you @Catscatsandmorecats it's something when your normal/good days are actually not that great at all.

Just feel heartbroken and tired everyday I'm sick of the trial and error process I just want answers and a solution I agree Monday when the GO who specialises with babies is back Monday I'm calling First thing and will just have to be pushy!

HashtagTired · 03/02/2018 05:07

@user1489931797 I'm sorry but not able to offer any advice other than to persevere with the GP. Are you making a diary of events? Feeds, sleep patterns and reactions? If not, I would suggest doing that and then showing the GP, explaining the urgency of the situation and the impact on your own health too? (If you haven't already). I am gratefully inexperienced in these matters, but Thanks

user1489931797 · 03/02/2018 05:32

@HashtagTired no I haven't Recently, I was initially I did for about 10days ended up being very long and talked it through with HV and GP and didn't seem to help as that's why I'm at where I'm at now just working through their list of hoops to jump through
But going to be pushier on Monday when we see her I can't carry on like this nor can my DH and more importantly nor can can my DS

Something that annoyed me earlier in the week we took DS for chat with health visitors at baby clinic and for him to be weighed.

All they care about is his weight and when I updated them on how things were just because he was quiet there they just dismissed anything was severely wrong by going on about how they see much worse cases so what we are dealing with isn't that bad!

HashtagTired · 03/02/2018 05:37

That's what I mean. I bet they do see a lot of cases where parents complain (rightly or wrongly) about the tiniest bit of sick and self diagnose reflux or allergies or intolerance. I don't blame parents for doing this, it's all a bit unknown the first time, but it does cloud the waters for people like you guys that have a real problem with it.

So I guess they can't always see the wood from the trees. Especially if you don't think you've been pushy enough. Defo strive for better outcomes on Monday.
Before you go, have a think about what outcomes you would want from the discussion. In an ideal world, what are you hoping for. Have that in mind so you can push for that outcome if needed.

user1489931797 · 03/02/2018 07:36

@HashtagTired yes good idea I think I just end up goin in with what I want then just succumbing to what dr is recommending and leave thinking that's not how I wanted that to go

WhoAteAllthePercyPigs · 03/02/2018 08:18

That sounds awful @user Flowers if you keep going on like this you're going to crack, it's not fair on you.

Agree about the diary. It makes me sad that parents have to persevere so damn hard just to get help - @sakura and @AMagdalena both are in similar boats. When you're so tired and a first time parent it can be a real struggle.

In the meantime, can you get help from family members? Sorry I can't recall if you've said about this before, but can your partner not take him for a few hours to give you a break? Or someone take him during the day so you can nap? You really shouldn't have to do this alone.

DiscombobulatedWomble · 03/02/2018 10:28

@user would it help to have someone go with you if possible? I am terrible at standing up to/pushing the issue with Doctor's.. after all they've done the training surely they should know what they're talking about Hmm sadly that isn't always the case, and you're the one who has to live with the situation, so I get my dad to come with me if I've tried & failed to get my point across & he will usually manage to get the solution I'm looking for Blush

AMagdalena · 03/02/2018 12:17

@user ask for a referral and keep going back to docs as many times as you need to. Sounds like you could try amnio acid formula, if hydrolised isn't working for you.
To be honest, paediatric care in the NHS is awful in my eyes. It's all about cost cutting, sadly. Just the state it's in.

Not a great night here. 3 wake ups, although the 3rd one was me! Woke up to poo. Lovely.

AMagdalena · 03/02/2018 16:15

Mmm. Mothercare Hyde Cribs are being recalled due to safety concerns (we have one of those), so we are due a full refund.

I think that explains why DD hated it so much. She must have known it was unsafe! Wink
I am obviously glad DD never had an accident in it.

Zampa · 03/02/2018 19:06

I consider going to bed earlier and earlier each night ... However DP won't let me eat Jam Roly-poly on bed so have to stay up a bit longer ...

DD2 would not be put down last night. Snuggly and asleep on me but as soon as I transferred she woke up. She's not been like this ever, even as a newborn. She's also crying whenever I'm not holding her. She seems to hate DP.

Sleep deprived, with another cough and a cold sore, which definitely means I'm run down.

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Jellybean2017 · 03/02/2018 20:40

Another crappy start to the night. He's fallen asleep twice but hasn't stayed settled. So looks like I'm sitting up with him 🙈 he is going through a leap so I'm hoping that's why things are so rubbish at the moment.

Good luck everyone 😊

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HashtagTired · 03/02/2018 20:53

I'm on my own tonight. I've just put him in the Snüzpod and seems to have settled but he normally wakes after an hour before his first big sleep (big for him, 2-3 hours!!).

Fingers crossed he behaves tonight!

Good luck everyone!

AMagdalena · 03/02/2018 21:16

My sleep thief is assleep.

We bought a cheap travel cot to ease DD's transition to her room since she's outgrown the crib.
Wishful thinking, me thinks 😂

Catscatsandmorecats · 03/02/2018 21:20

We're home, well, me, Mum and the kids at least,DH and Dad are still en route.

MIL came and helped with bathtime and bedtime, because my Mum can't, I'd only asked her if she could bring some milk (too long a story) and she stayed until they were down! We've had a curry and I'm hoping to go to bed in a minute, I hope they sleep but I'm not convinced. DS2 definitely has his first tooth and he is very upset by it.

HashtagTired · 03/02/2018 21:31

I will miss our sleepy morning snuggles when ds outgrows his Snüzpod and sleeps goes in his own room. Maybe I'll just fold him in half and he can still fit 🤔

xxrealistmumxx · 03/02/2018 21:35

user it sounds like both you and LO are having a really rough time of it. I second the advice of documenting what's going on and getting clear about the outcomes you'd like from the GP / HV appts. It's so awful not knowing what's going on and what you could do to help. Hugs to you.

Sleep still absolutely awful here. I think what started out as reflux issues has turned into a baby that is totally unable to transition through sleep cycles.

AMagdalena i know what you mean about the constant leaps in the first year. In the last week alone LO has started sitting unaided, cut his first tooth and started weaning!

I know we've got him into some 'bad' sleep associations. The question is whether we can ride this out till he adopts a more parent friendly way of sleeping or whether we intervene sooner with sleep training. Neither feel like good options Sad

And on cue there he kicks off again.

Meepmoop · 04/02/2018 02:20

We're on hourly wake ups. I'm really struggling tonight. Worst night in a long time

Meepmoop · 04/02/2018 02:39

Now on 20minute wake ups..

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Jellybean2017 · 04/02/2018 02:51

Hourly wake ups here too @meepmoop 😶

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HashtagTired · 04/02/2018 03:08

We've been there and I know how rough and psychologically 'damaging ' those hourly wake ups can be. Hang on in there BrewCake

BrizzleMaverick · 04/02/2018 03:16

I'm being kept awake by my 3yo who woke to go to the toilet but then wanted to come in to our room, not a problem as he normally goes back to sleep.
Not tonight, has woken the 4m old and is now back in his own room screaming as he refused to go to sleep.
The neighbours are probably awake too, hears hoping he sleeps in a bit in the morning.

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