Non-sleepers unite...

[Jellybean2017]

New thread for night (and daytime!) chatter for those awake more than they'd like with a non sleeping baby/child 😊

My DS is five months. First baby likely to be only baby if I don't start getting more sleep He is a nap and sleep fighter but incredibly cute so I choose to forgive him 😂

I'm awake. New to thread....it's good to know I'm not alone tonight. DH has a cold so has quaratined himself to the back room.....I'm knackered.

Oh I've been on just trying to feed ds at the mo who likes to come off the boob and cry a lot at the mo which is frustrating and needs 2 hands 😅 you're doing great PetcyPigs try not to make yourself worse worrying!

Only onfeed #2 but the way ds feeds at the mo is exhausting and makes me worry he's not getting enough. I wish he was a fat baby with cute Michelin man limbs then I wouldn't worry. Will be awake for a while yet then up for good soon 🙁

Aaaaand he just threw up his feed 😣

Oh god so many typos! But you get the idea 😂

We gave up on the snuzpod after the third wake up since he was put to bed. We carried him through and put him propped up in my nursing pillow beside my DP, the snuzpod just an expensive bed rail here tonight.

He's actually been not too bad considering, needed his dummy a few times but has gone back to sleep ok and went to 4.20 - so 9 hours since his last feed and about 6 hours from his last proper wake up.

Just goes to show, you can expect a crap night, or a good one and yet can get the total opposite.

Hope you're asleep now @Whoateallthepercypigs and hope you're feeling much better soon. Poor you 😔 best to focus on resting tomorrow, definitely. I had similar thoughts re. The regression but decided to just think sod it, it can't get any worse... He's nearly six months now and his sleep still changes every night. Tonight's not been so bad with a couple of two hour stretchesml. But in between times it's been thirty mins. However he will now usually settle in the bed beside me without me cuddling him. Sorry not sure what the point of this rambling is now! Haha. But I hope you are able to feel more positive in the morning 😊

Literally ten seconds after I hit post he puked over my boob. It's warm and wet and currently soaking into my pyjama top and the sheets under me...

😩

WhoAteAllthePercyPigs oh no being unwell but not being able to text and only focus on yourself is so hard, I remember from when I was ill over Christmas but you've got two lo's to look after so that's much harder. Can you ask your dp to help a bit more? I really hope you get some sleep to fight it off and get your energy back
I don't know if ds is gearing up for another grow spurt but he's been feeding non stop pretty much all day and only cat naps. I've only had 2 hrs sleep since midnight as he wakes every time I try and put him down, as soon as he's back in my arms he's asleep again or wants to feed. From what I gather there's a grow spurt around the 12 week mark so I guess that could be why he's feeding more and his sleep has changed...
Could be a tough day if I don't get some sleep soon...

Welcome @beckieperk 😊

So full outfit change apart from socks and gloves. New pyjama top, breastpads and bra for me. Towel down on the bed.

Refused second boob.

Puked all over everything again, I've never seen him puke so much.

Soaked through doubled up towel. Another new sleeping bag and vest required, plus another tshirt for me and towel for the bed.

Really hope the rest of his feed stays down!!

Morning everyone although still feels like night time

So after 2days of trialling the reflux wedge pillow under the Moses mattress and doing in shifts downstairs with DH

Last night we brought the Moses upstairs and put inside the Chicco next to me

DS fell asleep after a feed downstairs at 9pm skin said to DH let's go up to bed now as we all might get a couple of hours his response was that he doubted he'd stay asleep and we should just continue watching tv... hour and 45 later DS was still asleep in my arms and all I saw that as was that's nearly 2hrs of sleep I've missed out on!

We went upstairs at midnight put DS in Moses and lasted 20mins until restless and upset and wanting feeding we changed him and DH got a bottle after that and winding out him down too soon so had to start the soothing process again.

Basically between midnight to now managed to get DS to sleep in Moses for about 2/3hrs not a lot but a move in the right direction

DH did a change feed and winding and I did a change feed and winding plus 3 lots of comfort breastfeeding to help get him to sleep. However you would swear DH spent hours up with him he's had far more sleep and before we begin this trial I said go in tonight with the mindset we aren't sleeping and. O getting frustrated or sighing basically lower your expectations and just after sorting 1 feed and change and burping because after not listening to me and waiting a little longer before transferring him DS woke up straight away fussy and i had to breastfeed him and DH just kept sighing this was only at the start of the night.

Anyway at 6:30 I decided to come downstairs with DS and have breakfast and give DH 2hrs sleep uninterrupted I will certainly make sure I get the same

Nina so much empathy with you and the vomit. We had it the other week and I’ve never wanted a tumble drier more to cope with all the extra washing I was doing.

A rough night here. I can’t understand while we’ll occasionally have a good night with a long stretch then we get wake ups every couple of hours or less the next night. Why is it so hard?

Thanks Lally. He kept his next feed down so I'm hoping it was a one off. Once I've stripped the sheets off the bed that'll be my washing machine full, and all of it created in about fifteen minutes!

I did a wash yesterday so I've only got one rack free for drying and the rest will have to go on the radiators... no chance of getting anything outside at the moment.

Oh dear Nina I hate it when they just settle then throw up or poo 💩 and it's almost torture starting from scratch. When I lack sleep I am tired n the worst mood too so if I had to change sheets there would probably be a lot of mumbled swearing...
user why is it male OHs just seem to voice their tiredness so much more than necessary?! The sighing irritates me too but dh tries so hard I know I'm only getting annoyed cos I'm tired!

Not the worst night here and between me and dh we managed to shhh him back to sleep a few times without picking up and bouncing. It took ages though and I thought I'd go crazy from the shushing but didn't want to pick up unless he started crying.

We are currently missing baby group cos he has actually been put down for the 2nd half of his nap I wasn't brave enough to try at the start. If he wakes up we might make the last half an hour ...

Crap night here not a night we need to repeat although to keep my sanity I keep reminding myself that it could be worse and it will pass! Couldn't get ds back to sleep so I was awake from 2-5.10 am during this time I attempted 3 cot transfers and each time the little monkey woke up. Finally at 5 am he settled until 7 am. He then came into our bed with me where we stayed until 9 am - mainly feeding or at least attached to me. At least we don't have any appointments or such today so we can just take it easy. We've got an Amazon delivery coming today - an activity gym for ds, DPD meant to deliver it yesterday and they had the cheek to send a text to say they had been but no one was in. Well the buzzer did ring during the given delivery slot. I was nursing ds at the time and put him down to go and answer the intercom but there was no one. It honestly didnt take me long to pick up and I even opened my front door in case they had used the tradesmen button to gain access and was on their way up already as that's what other delivery companies do but no... instead they claimed I wasn't in and that they had left a calling card. Well that was a big fat lie too!!! I was so annoyed! So now the delivery is scheduled for this lunch time and I'd better get my parcel! And breathe.....

NinaMarieP oh my goodness just what you need in the middle of the night.. hope your ds is okay and that it was a one off. I can just imagine the amounts of laundry

Hi everyone
I’ve been off posting for a couple of days because DD2 has a cold and basically so uncomfortable with the bunged up nose that she will only sleep with me holding her. I have the cold now. Dd1 has cold too.

Thank you guys for the messages re DH. I sometimes think I’m losing it.

@whoateallthepercypigs
I had pneumonia over Xmas and GP wanted to admit me to hospital for monitoring as have severe asthma too. Explained I was EBF 12 week old baby and she wouldn’t yet take a bottle; so she let me go home with instructions to bed rest (with a 12 week old baby, waking every two hours, and 2 year old toddler). I have honestly never felt so low in my life. But I made it. It took a few days; it was hard - fucking hard. You can’t be sick if you’re a mum. No one tells you these things! It’ll be fine though..... you’ll come through the other side. It’s only temporary. Have lots of Lemsip. Sending you hugs

So we've seen the consultant. According to him, DD has breastmilk colitis, so that means she's allergic to something in my breastmilk. I have been told to stop breastfeeding and put her on this horrible formula.
I have already seen a dietician and since chances DD will take a bottle are slim, I will begin a total elimination diet.
We're going to try the formula, but there is no way she will accept it. I know it.
I don't want to stop breastfeeding and I am fuming the consultant didn't really suggest a diet.
And then a woman from infant feeding team turned up and started talking about social services when I said I don't really want to stop bf. Really?!

@AMagdalena That seems a huge over-reaction. Hope that you're ok.

Hope that changing your diet helps. Formula isn't the end of the world but if breast feeding can work for you both, your consultant should support you.

@AMagdalena that seems ridiculous! What is it with these consultants.... I hope you don't find the diet too hard. Soya seems to sneak into so many foods! Hope dd is ok.

Dd keeps falling asleep at 6pm most nights. So I'm thinking maybe he wants an even earlier bedtime 🙈

*DS!

@Zampa I think it's just an easy solution! And bloody typical, a man telling a woman bf is bad for her baby

@Jellybean Thank you. DD is absolutely fine. The only symptom are the nappies.

The doc can get stuffed.

The consultant sounds really unsupportive AMagdalena, what a disappointment! I think a lot of consultants have delusions of grandeur, most of the consultants I saw during my pregnancy this time round were extremely opinionated but when I asked for evidence backing up their advice it kind of fell short. Gotta trust your instincts as well as their advice and remember it's just that: advice.

whoAteAllThePercyPigsreally hope you managed to get some rest today. Yep, the stress caused by being ill is one of the many harsh realities that only come to light when you're a mum. Sometimes you've just got to get some help and crawl into bed.

I'm feeling fed up today. Met more new mums at baby group whose babies sleep well and one whose 13 month still wakes every 2hours. Both made me feel depressed! Can't win. Comparison is the death of joy after all.

Here goes another night. See you in the wee hours!

AMagdalena like Zampa says, formula would be far from the worst thing but I totally get that you want the other options 1st and can't believe they didn't suggest changing your diet! And threatening with social services just seems bizarre!! Especially as you're taking steps to solve the bf issues!

Ds went down at 7.30 with minimal fuss! I know it was because I filled him to bursting with a top up bottle feed at 5 after he screamed at the boob and just seemed so distraught and pumping was doing nothing. Then he had his usual bottle after his bath too. I feel bad giving him bottles when I know my supply is low but I'm pumping to try and increase it, feeding on demand but sometimes he gets so distraught when there's not lots of milk for him and I feel selfish for wanting to bf when it's obviously not enough... I think he's lost weight too but will know for sure next week.

Good luck for all cot transfers and fingers crossed for long stretches of sleep!

@realistmum I am glad I didn't go private and pay for that 'advice'.

@Emberblue Formula isn't the worst thing, but it's hardly the best and who's to say my DD won't react to the formula itself since the consultant doesn't know what she's allergic to?
We'll give her the formula for the hell of it, but she will spit it out. It tastes horrible, apparently and my DD knows what she likes. Milk from boobie only!

She's just gone down next to me sucking her thumb. I so she would have taken the dummy instead.

Hi everyone. Thanks for the kind words- was feeling very sorry for myself in the wee hours! Strangely I didn't feel too bad today. I think it's the sleep deprivation messing with my system?

@amagdalena how very frustrating. I'm sorry you're having to go through this. Really bad that they didn't explore diet options with you- surely tgat would be the optical thing to do?? Of course you want to keep breastfeeding, and as you say, it's not going to be a straightforward thing of baby being happy to move to formula. You'd have thought they'd recommend trying a process of food elimination first!

@xxrealistmum I was at at a baby group today and got talking to a mum of a 5 month old, who apparently is sleeping through and has been in a routine since he was 2 weeks old! She was quite smug about what she perceived to be her ability to get her baby into a routine, and I just wanted to say 'no you're just lucky!' Some babies respond to a routine and others don't. Some babies sleep and others just don't! I get frustrated sometimes that I've got two non sleepers. But then I think well if that's the only thing I've got to complain about, then I'm lucky. Hard not to come away from these things feeling shit though! but at least there was cake and it was yummy

Went for a walk to the park this afternoon, nicest weather we've had in a while and it really felt like spring was in the air.

Right...here we go for another night! Not feeling too bad as i know I'll get more help this weekend with DS and maybe an hour or two of extra sleep...

amagdalena that sounds so stressful and worrying for you. Of course you don't want to give up bf and a food elimination diet sounds totally reasonable. Stick to your guns. Big hugs.

Whoateallthepercypigs I'm glad you felt better during the day, it's amazing how you can switch to functioning adult even when you're sleep deprived and ill. I hope it is better tonight for you, everything seems so much worse when you're awake when you should be asleep.

Last night ended up being pretty good, DS1 went straight back to sleep when he woke and DS2 went longer between feeds. After the disaster that was bedtime it was much needed. Bedtime was much easier tonight, DS2 was happy to be fed in DS1'S room while I was doing stories, both were down by 7.45. I should be going to bed but I'm enjoying a wine and some grown up time instead. So I will probably go straight into a feed when I do go to bed.

Good luck everyone for tonight.