New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

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Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

tibs have you seen thread about breastfeeding and nestle. it's a disgrace i tell's ya!
ditto tibs chocolatte. I didn't cook a thing for ages infact dh's mum fed us for first 6 month of ds's life!

oh gotta go ds up and needs some lunch. catch you later

tam, will have a look. am off too.....need a lie down, think i've overdone it, tee hee

sorry - nappy change! lo is 7months. got to go to. byeee

it is such a good book because it does not give any advice whatsoever. apparently naomi had a lot of trouble getting it published for this reason. but it is about mothers' shared experiences and what we actually do every minute of hte day. there is even a chapter in it called "so tired i could die". very apt for this thread

sometimes i cook something in the afternoon and reheat it for dinner. that's as close to cooking dinner as i get. leftovers leftovers is my mantra.
i've put LO in his cot while he's quite happy to try to avoid that whole afternoon breakdown before nap thing. he is making hte funniest noises. i wonder if he has any chance of falling asleep at all. at least he sounds like he's having a good time whatever he's up to.

Tam, can you link to the BF/nestle thread?

I've only posted here a couple of times - we were doing well with GR/GW but DD has come down with hand, foot & mouth virus which takes a week to recover from. She is now back to being BF to sleep and waking up every 1.5 hours last night. It is tough to start again.
However I count my blessings as I found out that close friends of mine's DD 10 weeks old will need a series of operations throughout her childhood and may well be physically and mentally handicapped. It is so sad and puts everything into perspective.

that is sad tapster, i do count myself lucky quite often that LO is healthy (albeit a horrid sleeper)
hope yours improves soon. xx

my LO practiced blowing raspberries in his cot for 5-10 mins and then passed out. bless him. he's really discovering a lot of new noises at the moment. i hope tonight is good for us and all of you . currently drinking a glass of red wine and reheating dinner. DH is prob working quite late tonight, so i might eat my dinner while surfing MN. happy days!
just another crazy question. do you think that giving LO milk in the doidy cup could confuse him or anything. i gave him some today and he got very excited about it and worked himself into a frenzy and then got upset, so i offered him the breast and he fed like crazy even though i fed him just before! i don't know what that was all about. i felt like he wanted to 'make sure' he could still get milk from my breasts or something. sure i'm jsut speculating

Hi everyone, can't seem to get online very much lately - I'm having MN withdrawals

Ds2 decided the best Mother Day (it was Sunday here) present he could give me was to sleep from 8:00pm to 3:30 am. Of course, then I couldn't go back to sleep until 5:00 and he woke up again at 6:30 but still it's nice to know that he has it in him to occasionally sleep.

We did not have a repeat performance last night and no, I did not summon the energy to do PU/PD over the weekend.

amber, I have heard of babies who refused to take milk from a cup - kind of like refusing the bottle I guess.

i guess some LOs will refuse to believe milk comes from anywhere except the breast i guess i'm glad he's discerning!

Too many posts for me to catch up with in my sleep deprived state I'm afraid, but from skimming, Cruise am glad your situ is working out and amber for yours. I'm feeling much the same . Despite doing GW and getting to settling her at bedtime and most of the night with shsh and patting or holding hands she's still waking up every 1.5 - 2 hours and for the last couple of nights she's been up for an hour between 4ish and 5ish until I gave in and fed her out of sheer exhaustion . I ended up getting really angry with her last night (not that I did anything about this except have a little grumble at her and seethe inwardly)! The GW seems to have stalled. She goes down quite easily at bedtime but this works progressively less well during the night even though she's in bed with me. I'm getting desperate for some change and considering cc (again!). Anyone got any advice for dealing with the fact that I'm still feeding twice a night (at 11-12ish and then again at 5ish). Would I just ignore all wake up calls for successful cc? She's only just six months so I'm not completely sure she doesn't need at least one...

crikey! so many posts. happy for those of you with lo's making progress and for those who are still suffering. my ds continues to wake once per night (I know this is fantastic when you consider what I was having to deal with) but it is hard as i have to see through the cc thing now that i have started. I think he wakes cos the first bf of the day (actally, it is now the only bf of the day ) takes place in my bed I think he wakes cos he wants to be in tehre whatever time it is - hope that makes sense???. Anyway, I don't do co-sleeping as I just don't sleep at all that way so i just comfort him and leave. yuk! it is horrid but the alternative is to bring him to bed with me and that won't work. I do love love love my morning bf and snuggle wtih him though and often get an extra 30mins doze if I am lucky. No more forf now. dd asleep, ds asleep, dh out ,wine open! sleep well my SIFTW friends

cruisemum, have been trying to catch up on posts. I've gotten the drift that CC is working for you. When did you start?

jabberwocky - second time round I started over Easter. I had intended for dh to do the bedtime bottle (which was being introduced much to my dismay ) and the bedtime thing but he was pissed so I jsut did it myself. With hindsight it was prob better that way cos it wasn't such a huge adjustment for ds and he still got plenty of mummy cuddles. i can now put him down awake...YES -AWAKE! and he grizzles for 2 mins and goes to sleep. In fact tonight I went in about an hr later to chekc on him and he woke up, looked at me, grizzled for 30 secs and nodded off again. I could NEVER have wished for that before cc. It took 3-4 nights (already my memory of it has faded ) and was HARD. But worth it imo.

mornin' all. well ds went from 7:45pm - 5:45am! bit early imo but fantastic progress

for amber x

morning all. ds still being 'good' atmso only woke once last night at 2 and up at 8! for the day.
Need a favour form all my SIFTW sisters. there is a thread atm under breast and bottle feeding 'did anyone go to the babyshow....because'. if you get a minute please skim read (if you haven't already)and complain to CH4 about this horrifying woman. To summarise she says babies should be sleeping through the night from 2 weeks and never fed during the night or cuddled outside of feeding and bath time because they are like dogs!
she has no children.....what a surprise!
Nonickname (quite near the top of the thread atm) has linked the complaint page for CH4.
Oh and just to really piss you off apparently she talked about ff in her talk and when someone asked what to do if you are bf she said 'oh....just feed them more in the last feed before bed!'
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

morning all,
have just skimmed posts so sorry if dont mention personal ones, i do try.
for those having crappola nights, in particular lilysma. and big, cheesy for those with good uns, esp. cruise!!
ours was good, didnt wake til 2.45am, when she wanted booby. guess the teeth have relented for now, bless her.
gotta go, wriggly dd on lap, wanting my attention

thanks for link tibs, sad article. it just doesn't make sense especially in poor countries for women not to breast feed. sigh, not that i need yet another career change, but i think i would like to work in this area one day.

amber - it certainly gets you thinking doesnt it? have printed off some info from links that were put on there. the ecologist article looks very interesting. havent read it all yet its certainly got me revved up to do this course in june

tam - thanks for the link and the other one, have emailed channel 4 and voiced my complaints

lilysma, in weisbluth's book (not that i recommend it at all) he was for feeding twice a night, i think around 11-12 and 5 or so even when you are doing sleep training such as CC or his "extinction method". so he reckons it can be done while still feeding.

sorry, i should give more infor, so i think the way it would go is taht if they woke up around feed time or after you would feed them. any other time you would ignore. and if they wouldn't settle again after feed, you would ignore.
i think you can get a good sense of how many feeds your LO needs at night by how long they feed for each time and whether you can settle them without feeding. i certainly know that if my LO is hungry, you can get him to sleep, but he will wake up 5 mins later. anyway, i think my LO prob needs 2 feeds a night, but at the moment he's sneaking in a third!