New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

[PavlovtheCatthatgottheCremeEgg]

Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

Well, dd managed a 4.5 hour stretch and a 3 hour stretch last night (fed to sleep tho and up 4 times in total, so not THAT great). Think it was because she's got a cold so really needed the sleep. Also I made myself stay awake while feeding her and put her back in the cot until 5.30, so maybe she actually gets disturbed more sleeping with me. Trouble is I don't know if I can manage the staying awake bit every night...

Am going to go for the spacing feeds approach over the next week to see if I can get her off them gently cos of going back to square 1 with her cold. Then back onto GW.

Cruise, hope your renewed cc goes okay tonight (we need a hopeful emoticon!). I have committed probably a MN sin and bought Ferber's book . It turns out to be quite informative (only one chapter is on cc). Have you looked at it? I must admit it has made me feel quite bad about not managing my LOs sleep better, which is probably not the effect you are after ! However, on the off chance that any of his tips might work...

Sydney B, my LO is 5.5 months and I joined this thread about 1.5 months ago when my LOs sleep went mad. Before that she was okay, although she never actually slept through more than a handful of times. For your sake I hope you don't become an old timer . I'm hoping to get parole soon too...

lylisma - I found that the end was in sight once we put DD in her own room. We wanted her in our room, and up to 6 months or just before, it was ok, and we thought we would never want her to go to her own room. But she tossed and turned, I tossed and turned, DP snored, I snored, DD was waking lots and I dont know if she disturbed us or we disturbed her, or if I just noticed it becuase she was in our room and i was right next to her.

However, I coincided the night weaning/PUPD with moving rooms, with a few days intervals between.
I cannot for certain say what did it for us, whether one thing or a combination, or if it was purely that she was ready (I am leaning towards the latter). But I know I worked bloody hard like all the mums here, and I never thought I would see the light. Now, its easier, but she is starting to have 'tantrums' and I am worried it might mean patting and being sweet at night will no longer work

Sorry I'm a bit out of touch with the thread. We haven't tried the formula idea yet, but we have changed ds2's mattress. The one in his co-sleeper was rather thin. It seemed that he slept better when I put him on his little sleepcurve pad which is made of memory foam, but he is quickly outgrowing it and now seems to get angry about that. I discovered that two memory foam pillows fit perfectly in the co-sleeper and when covered with a fitted sheet perform just like a single mattress pad. Soooo, we will see. He has currently been sleeping on it like a little angel for about an hour and a half (we're six hours behind here).

Fingers crossed for tonight.

Definitely back on the thread . BF 3 times in the night 11pm, 2.30am, 5.00am and then up at 6.30 [haggard]. Trouble is I'm too scared/tired to night wean, just keeping my fingers crossed that it can't last much longer. DH upset last night as he tried to settle DS at 11 (I had already gone to bed) but it just seemed to make him scream louder. He said that he felt useless . Not feeling very upbeat this morning, and the sun hasn't come out yet. Self settling for the morning nap seems to have gone by the board as well, so DS yells his lungs out while I have my shower and then I come and feed him to sleep and maybe get 45 mins out of him, at which point he wakes up whinging.

morning all!
hope your nights were ok..
we just had the 3.30 feed, and that was it! WOW!!!

ratfly - wow! how did that happen?

rubbish here again. tried to get ds to settle himself but he went beserk so relented and bf (again). he woke at 12.30, 2am, 4,45am (would not settle this time). tired and peed off again.

morning all. ds wouldn't settle last night but noticed yesterday when he was on the swing hanging upside down that he has 1 molar down at the top, one cutting the gum and 2 eye teeth cutting the gum too so we're going to use teething as the excuse this time! (it can be growth spurt next )
looks like most of us are not getting any sleep bar the odd example of good behaviour from ratfly's lo.
hope we all get some decent naps today

tam - just wonderin where everyone is today?

I feel I will jinx myelf now, but ds settled for bed in 5 mins today.
We have been loosely following contented little baby routines so I know he is getting enough daytime food and sleep.
A few nights ago, ds would NOT settle, he kept falling asleep then waking etc etc for about an hour. So, on dh's suggestion, we let him cry for 5 minutes, then resettled, let him cry for 5 mins etc. He settled in 40 minutes (the longest 40 minutes EVER for me), and ever since he has been much quicker to go to sleep.

I am so worried that, now I have told ytou all he can settle himself, we will be back on 2 hourly wakings. Wish we luck!

Ratfly - that is sooo good! Did you do cc? I guess that is what it was. It is so hard to hear them cry isn't it. Since my go at cc a month or so ago things have gone to rats**t. I think my prob was that when ds woke in the night a few nights later, I was so pleased with him for sleeping so well for the preceding nights that I settled him with my boob, kind of as a treat I guess . God I wish I hadn't. He has been a nightmare ever since as you will see from my last few posts Stick with it and PLEASE let us know how it goes for you from now on. sleep tight

oh and did he wake at all at night? my ds slept 10hrs straight and 11 teh next night when we did it! Good luck and well done for beig strong. You ahve done your lo a great favour

Thanks cruise!
I have been re-reading this thread and you really did have it sorted a little while ago didn;t you. I'm sure it'll come back soon - maybe the hot weather was unsettling him?

Over the past 3 nights ds has woken less and less and appears to have resettled himself acouple of times. I am now worried about what will happen if he starts waking again - what will I do? more 5 min crying? feeding? rocking? It just seems like such a transient thing that it could just all go down the pan so easily... I never know how important sleep was until 3 1/2 months ago..

Good luck everyone for tonight!

Just checking in. God it's so obsessive this concern about sleep, isn't it? My LO is getting over her cold so I'm bracing myself for back to phasing out most of the night feeds and starting GW again. Am wondering though, has anyone actually heard of GW working totally as in getting a little darling to settle and then sleep all the way through?? I'm not sure how many more even more sleepless nights I can spend on it . Also not sure whether it is okay to resist feeding dd all night at 5.5 months, as others seem to continue to do this - e.g. dream feeds at 11ish - but I reckon that feeding her sometimes and not others confuses her about what the plan is . Anyway, am spacing feeds tonight and going for a minimum of 2.5 hours. Wahay!

lily - 2.5 hours to start with sounds like a good plan, its reasonable enough to hope for

Ratfly - well done your LO!

Mae - sorry you are back, me too! I shant be leaving anytime again soon

Cruise - sorry you are still so tired. I wonder what happened.

Also worried that whatever it is might be troubling my LO too . She woke last night at 11:30pm, squawked a deep squawk a few times and went back to sleep. Then she woke at 2:30am, would not settle, DP tried for 20 mins, she started to settle but then got distressed. I could not settle her either so relented and bf her. Took about an hour in total? She then woke again at 5:45am, and stayed awake. Seemed ok for a bit, but got distressed so brought her into bed at 6:30am and bf her, hoping that she would go back to sleep, but no, she jumped over us! And typically, we left part of her playpen/travel cot at a friends house so could not put her in that!

She then had two half hour naps and was out like a light at 7:30pm, here is hoping she stays asleep .

I hope you all have better/good nights tonight

Wow - not a single post, until now!

I hope that last night was ok for everyone.

Cruise - did you manage to get some sleep?

My night. I am an awful mummy .

Woke up 4 times. I did not go in to see her once. Her cry is different now. Before this last week, she would cry for 2 mins then back to sleep. If she did not go back to sleep within 5-10 mins I would know she was not going to settle, and she would sound p'd off like she wanted to sleep but could not. So I would go in to see her and help her back to sleep. Last night tho, she sounded awake, and annoyed that I was not with her/not enough toys/on her own. She was crying, but not upset. So I left her to cry. She stopped within 5 mins, I lay there awake listening to her, she was talking to her toys, moaning, then cried more. After 15 mins she was asleep again.

She did this 4 times. Two occasions I went to door, and she stopped, and when I got back I could hear her moving about in cot from monitor. So I left her, and she settled herself.

I felt awful. I just thought that as she was not upset, if I went in to see her, she would grin at me and be awake and stretch her arms up for a cuddle, like she has done the last few nights, and settling has been really difficult. I worried that she would think it was a good way to get my attention, now she is getting older and understanding more about how to interact with us, and about cause/effect.

She was in a great mood today, only an hour nap as went to bbq and she was too busy playing with children, but out like a light and not a peep so far. But I am having a lte nght again which means she will wake up in about 1 hour!!!

Take care all, talk soon?
zzz

possibly worst night ever.
went to bed at 7 ish and needed settled about 3 times between 7-11.
woke at 12 for milk
woke at 2 and was up wide awake until 4am!
went back to sleep eventually after some more milk and some calpol and woke at 7 for day.
soooooooooooooooo tired

Tamdin: sorry you had a bad night . Teeth?

The Plan seems to be working OK so far - fed and asleep by 7, woke a couple of times but settled without a feed, fed at 10ish then woke 1:30 and 4:30. Slight dip then as wouln't go backl to sleep, so into bed with us (sigh). Need to get that sorted next!

swizzler that sounds like a good night. ds has always come into us for the last part of the morning (5ish onwards)which i'm fine with but atm he doesn't seem to know his a**e from his elbow. I think it was def his teeth. he's got2 molars and 2 eye teeth coming through all at once at the top. He's the stangest child though he doesn't cry or get a fever etc like most lo's do with teeth he just can't seem to sleep!
anyway hopefully they'll come through and we might eventually get back to the 1 waking we had manged a while ago.
Htanks for asking about mil last week. meant to reply earlier. she had op on wed and it went well. we're waiting for the pathology results to come back this week from the lymphnodes that were taken from under the arm so that's the next hurdle to get over. my bil comes home this week which is good as he can now share the emotional burden with dh which will be a huge help.

Hello all - at MIL's this weekend which is doing nothing for DD's sleep. Last two nights, up at 12, 2, 3, 4,30 - in with us and then up at 6 and finally 8. Shattered. Thing is I just can't decide when to feed her.. comforted and left her at 12, 2 and 3 and finally fed her at 4 and again at 6. She's started to babble so a lot of the time she wakes up she's happily talking to herself for a while before inevitably launching into crying.

Cruise - you were my inspiration when I first came on here and actually did a bit of CC with DD's 'lunchtime' nap and it worked after 10 mins of grizzling after her usual 31 min wake-up so wondering whether to try it tonight.

Lovely to be here with you all in some ways but not in others. My question is when and when not to feed? DD will always latch on so I'm never sure whether she is really hungry or not.. heigh ho.

pavlov, i think that's fair enough what you did. sometimes our LO whinges a bit before he settles himself. your LO obviously has the skills and i think its great you're encouraging her.

ds been in bed and hour and so far has needed settled once. hope this isn't how the night is going to go
going to bed now (pathetically early i know )sending sleepy vibes everyone's way

Not a great night for us. I have decided that after his last feed of the day that's it on the breast. In the middle of the night he's getting formula from dh. He turns into a different baby when he feeds at night, nursing so hard it hurts and slapping my chest with his hand. That, combined with the lack of sleep is not good methinks for our relationship.

We tried it last night and he did go about 3 1/2 to 4 hours. Will see what happens tonight.

Sorry I'm so far behind on everyone's posts. We're throwing a big party today. Will try to catch up and do a more proper post later.

Hi all long absence here and sorry haven't had time to read the months worth of posts I've missed, just wanted to check in and say hello. DS still a nightmare, up average of 5 times a night and awake for the day at 4am but at least he's started taking a nap at lunch time again and he's been very happy lately.
I'm knackered! As I'm sure you all are but the good news is I gave my seminar last week (got a HD, very proud as it's been such a struggle) and big essay due in a few hours (all done) so I've given myself a few days off from uni work next week and am looking forward to catching up properly.
Better go, thinking of you all often x