New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

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Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

Its not a habit, promise. She usually has vegetables and fish and lentils!

hi girlies

Oh god - your comments remind me of my mum as well - "no wonder he's not sleeping thru the night if you're not giving him formula - you haven't got enough milk and you don't eat enough" ( as it happens i eat more than my husband)

Waking is generally through habit and not hunger. I've been lucky that even from newborn my ds would cluster feed at night and he carried it on now even on solids. I think it's cos he only gets 2 breast feeds a day and so I can slip an extra feed in the evening if it's breast as he's always happy to take it.

Cruise - ds goes down bet 8.30pm and 9pm - any earlier and he would be starting his day at 5am. He really doesn't need much sleep. Today he slept for 20mins in the morning and 30 mins in the aftrnoon and that was it. ( his dad was the same as a kid)

I saw 2 little white things on his gum today so i reckon teething's on the way and put some calpol in his bottle this evening so fingers crossed x

pav

my ds loves ice cream so today i had to distract him with a rice cake whilst i ate it behind his pram!!

pav - ds has had an icepop! well,not a whole one but he loved it!
last nite he did 7:00pm - 6:15am!!!
i am reborn !

cruise . think you can safely assume now that he sleeps through the night and enjoy your new found rest
ds was good (for us) too. bed at 7.30, up at 1.30 for milk (asleep while drinking it) up at 6.55 for day. why am i still knackered

tam - that's ace!

bumping for VTM

VTM?

oh dear, how hilarious (and sad!) just last night i expressed a bottle of milk so DP could try giving it at midnight. LO has never before accepted a bottle, but i thought we'd give it a sneaky middle of the night try in case it worked, and i could get a longer sleep. anyway, i woke at midnight to some cursing and DP was so frustrated he couldn't get LO to take it. LO wouldn't even put it in his mouth. anyway, i said don't worry, he just prefers the boob (smart man), and fed him, however my DP seemed really annoyed for some reason. maybe he sees it as failure on his part ... but then eventually he says "well, what is going to happen when breast milk is not enough for him?" i said, that's when we start giving him food. "but what about supplementing with formula before they start taking a lot of solids in, thats what my boss said he had to do with his LO".
my god, i wouldhave thought my DP would know me better by now, having refused to have formula and bottles in the house in the early days even though LO had a LOT of trouble feeding and lost a lot of weight in the first week. I fed him EBM with a syringe rather than giving him formula or a bottle.
It amazes me the crap that people believe. BY all means give your LO some formula if that's what you personally need to do, but I don't like it when people insist that breast milk is somehow 'not enough' or inferior to formula. what do they do in countries where they can't afford formula? what did they do before formula was invented? anyway. there's my rant for the day.

Pav, that's exactly the point. I have no doubt my DD will be given chocolate but I want to dictate what, when and how much. I felt my mum was pressuring me into giving her some but I'm not ready to. (She also told me to use gravy grannules in her dinner tho so you can see why I don't take her advice, plus she is very fat herself so I've never been one to follow her suggestions for healthy eating!!) Anyway, yes I did scoff it all and made myself feel quite sick!!

Cruise, I'm still delighted for you. It's so hard to understand how one night of a few tears can bring about such a remarkable improvement. I'm very envious too

We had a much better night with wakings at 11.30 and 4.30. Couldn't get her to feed when she got up tho because she was obviously full from the 4.30 feed so I must knock that on the head just when you're tired you'll do anything for an easy life won't you?

amijee, i'm toying with the idea of putting LO to bed around 8.30ish, as he seems so wide awake around 5am, after i put him to bed at 7-7.30. i might make it 15 mins later each night, until we are around 8.30 and observe if anything happens. the only thing is that i'm quite happy to put him to bed at 7 to finally get a break!

Amber, I've had similar conversations with my DH and he KNOWS the science. Sometimes I question it myself even tho I know the facts but I think for men they feel totally useless because they can't influence anything, it feels out of their control.

sorry haven't read latest posts but VTM is 'very tired mummy' that i found on another thread and told her if she needs support to come here. hopefully she'll find us when she reads my post. she's at her wits end

amber agree with ginger it must be hard for men as they have no control when the mother is bf. not alot you can do execpt keep telling him the science. you're doing agreat job

grr at peoples insistence that ff is better than bf! how can it be??!!! not that i am berating anyone ff but it is so irritating and makes you feel you are doing your lo an injustice to bf .

i know cruise! what is going on? anyway, i'm starting a course to become a breastfeeding peer supporter today, so i hope i can help dispel some myths and support other women to continue breastfeeding.

amber - that's fantastic! fly the flag

amberjee - well done for doing so well with the breastfeeding. There are so many myths out there, aren't there?

Cruise you must be overjoyed. Well done to you and your LO.

Ginger - sounds like a better night, let's hope it keeps up.

Last night, my ds woke up at 02.45 for some reason and my idiot husband didn't look at the clock and was about to bring him into our bed ( thinking it was 6am) When he took him back to his room, I peeked at him cuddling and rocking him to sleep and I was very angry after all the hard work i've put in.

Not surprisingly, he woke up 15 mins later and I patted him and he got more mad so I went to the loo and by the time I was back...he was asleep! I was relieved as I thought it was gonna set the scene for the night so phew!!

ami - grr at your dh! They just don't get it sometimes do they... what would you have done at that waking? i worry about ds waking in the night and what to do now that he has slept through. if he wakes do i offer boob or go through same cc routine as before?. all such a minefield isn't it?!

how are daytime naps now that lo is sleeping better?

never the boob! Now I know he can go 9 hrs without, i won't go back.

Also, I would not pick him up unless i thought there was any other illness or teething. Just the usual shh/pat.

What day time naps? He did 20 mins and 30 mins yesterday all day!

i'm glad other LOs only do 20-30 min naps. at first i thought mine was so unusual, but turns out not so unusual after all.

morning all again for those with good nights and for those without.

just reading thru the posts quickly and some of the comments very reminiscent to ones i've had re. breastfeeding. p***s me off too, especially the ones from my mum/nan re. dd being hungry cos not getting enough from bf. chuff off!!! ginger, fwiw, they are both 'large' too and insist on stuffing everyone both ends when they visit for meals!!
have been watching a thread about doing something during breastfeeding week to promote the legislation that prevents people from harassing bfing mums and am def thinking of approaching bf counsellor to see if we can do something locally.
amber, i would LOVE to do that, where did you get the info from?
our night was rather restless,.. me really, not dd, she wakes up 30-45 mins after going down too but settles well, then woke at 1 and 4 for milk. up at 6.45am i feel absolutely banjaxed today tho for some reason

not sure whats going on but DD has been asleep for two whole hours in her buggy in the garden. ???????? I have turned into a domestic goddess in the mean time actually cooking a rather stupendous spag bol for our tea. Lovely. Can it be like this every day please?

PS She has always been a hardened 30 minute napper