new 'SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK' thread

[tibsy]

hi ladies, the other one ran out of space, so if no one else starts a new thread, here it is....

oh and bampa, have put my order in for a lie in with breakfast in bed on m's day. just a lie in would be great tho!!!!

OH yeah - I've asked my DS for a full nights sleep - you can but hope

peed off today. sick of 'putting up with' ds's erratic sleep patterns. how much longer?! confused about weaning. been doing it since 20 weeks (now 26) should i increase/decrease milk intake? should i up food intake to include puddings? should i offer water/juice with feeds instead of milk? fd off today. why won't he sleep in his cot in hte day? i don't want to spend summer with wheeling him around in his buggy till he drops off! house is a mess. too much to do. shit night again - though not as bad as some past nights. ds fell asleep in his buggy today, got home, phone rang, rang off (grrrrr), woke him up. F*g grumpy

i'm grumpy, not ds. taken phone off hook now. feel soooo fucking irritible.

Sympathies Cruise. LO is fighting sleep at the mo but we've got high pitched whinging instead. Pav's LO's name is on her profile page if you click on the post it symbol.

Just had a confrontation with some council estate dwellers (I'm from the ghetto myself originally but they just don't make 'em like they used to) any way I witnessed a women screaming at her little girl (juice in a bottle and about a year old) and dragging her by her arm. I wasn't going to say any thing put she gave me a mouthfull as I walked past so I told her to stop treating her child like a dog. I knew I shouldn't have said anything because a torrent of abuse came my way. Hope she didn't see where I live. I feel a bit shit about it and part of me wishes I hadn't got involved.

cruise - sympathies. glad you've taken phone off hook tho. i do that! i feel exactly the same with regard to when is it going to improve? woke 5/6 times last night. and i know its cos she has a cold, but if its not that its teething or growth spurt. hang in there. its hard tho cos ds was sleeping thru at 3 months so this is new to me.

with regard to the pudding, i'd start introducing it. i have, and ds will soon tell you if he doesnt want it. i havent decreased milk yet, although i suppose dd is taking less cos more full with solids. i bf her in a.m then give her brekkie about an hour later, then another bf then lunch. another bf then dinner. sometimes, she has more bf's if she wants or needs them for comfort. oh and i do offer juice in her cup at lunch, only has a little bit tho. hth

meant to say, she obviously has bf before bed too.
and shes not feeding as such during the night, just 'nibbles' so i dont think shes hungry (grrrr)

tibsy - my ds was doing 10 hrs at 10 weeks! so at his erratic sleep now! ta for info re: weaning. hv is so crap. told me that, though it is not recommended, babies do love quavers! I couldn't believe it . she also said, when talking about finger foods, that chips are good . mind you, she hasn't got the brains she was born with imo.. do you still offer milk first before each feed?
ginger - good on you for saying your piece at dreadful mother. Makes you realised what a sterling job we are doing - despite sleep deprivation !

Cruise, I'm doing the same as Tibsy at the mo with weaning. Milk first then food an hour or so later (when I remember) I'm just doing finger food mostly tho because she wont take a spoon (my mother suggested holding her arms behind her back. ) so she's eating sod all. However she did scoff a lot of avocado at the weekend and gave herself tummy ache!

hello all, can I join you sleep deprived ladies...

Have read posts and can say that am going through similar at moment.

Ds is 21 weeks and waking now 2-3 times a night having been a good sleeper until 4 months. It is getting so tough and feeling so tired and grouchy. I am back to work after Easter and am dreading trying to cope, which of course I know will have to....

Feel better getting that off my chest

cruise - meant to say this one (dd) has never slept thru apart from a week, never to be repeated. ds (12) slept thru from 3 mnths.
i dont offer dd milk directly before a 'meal', do after tho. quavers and chips, what a healthy, nutritious approach shes a blinking nutter!
oh and cruise, about the untidy home, i laughed when i looked around my living room earlier. dd was rolling around in vest, with bare bum to the world. she had rice cake mushed all over her face and hands and there was plenty on the floor too. had 4 piles of washing (1 for each of us)on the settee that i have little or no intention of ironing, oooh and i also had a nappy bucket that smelt of wee (having just brought it up from the cellar. what a lovely picture!
best thing we did before dd was born was 1) ripping up the carpets and sanding downstairs and 2) investing in leather settees (easy to wipe clean)

ginger - dont feel shit about that mum, i see that sometimes and bite my tongue til its nearly bleeding. some people treat their lo's like crap and wonder why they turn around later and disrespect them or ignore them makes me SO you were just showing that you're a caring, nurturing person, sad thing is tho, the woman probably will have forgotten all about it before you, and thats only cos she doesnt give a shit

x posted - welcome LGirl. sorry you feel the need tho iykwim?!

my house is such a tip too. but when ds is asleep i just want to sleep too as he does not sleep much. i went through an awful time getting ds to sleep in his cot in the day - it involved some crying and the hoover. I hated myself for it and now feed him to sleep and if that does not work, leave him for a few minutes to cry then feed him again and if that does not work I give up and feel a failure. Lack of sleep does not help you cope with an already difficult situation.

My lo has a bf when he wakes and for his morning and afternoon naps and before bed (and all through the night ) He has breakfast, lunch and tea with me as we are doing the BLW approach. I just put the food in front of him and see how he goes. He has fruit and ready brek for breakfast, then a main course and pudding (usully fruit) for lunch and tea. I would offer a little and see how it goes. I'm sure you lo will let you know if they've had enough.

Here's wishing for a sleepy night.....

welcome lemonade girl. Cruise big hug. Ds has only started stretching out his sleep at night to waking every 4 and half hours and he's alot older than you ds. Before that it was very 3 and not too long ago every 2. When sick or teething we go back to every 2!
With you on the house thing but a 'perfect' house is too desperate housewives for me. I'd be looking for bodies undre the floor boards!! Hope your afternoon/evening improves

hello everyone!
just wanted to add sympathies to everyone, and express my solidarity with fellow non sleepers. my baby has the snuffles so was awake with her from about 1-4am. Slept a bit before that and a bit after but it felt really wierd to miss out the middle of the night completely. A new experience but hopefully one to not be too often repeated. We were sitting in the bathroom together at 2am trying to clear her nose with the steam from the shower. She is only 6 weeks so i can't even give her anything yet. Hoping for a better night tonight, although doubtful...
xxx

kate it's really difficult when they are too young for anything to help with colds etc. We go through bucket loads of olbas oil for juniors. Maybe 1 small drop on a tissue/muslin square placed near her might be ok (?)

thanks, thats really helpful, might give it a go tonight. was thinking today how amazing it is how people can get by on so little sleep really. If someone had told me 6 weeks ago that i'd still be able to function (albeit in a moody/grouchy kind of way!)after virtually no sleep some nights, i wouldn't have believed it. We are all amazing human beings on this thread!!!! :-)

a lot of posts again, I always seem to miss everyone on!

Maebee - I am vaguely following the baby whisperer - its pu/pd right? I say vaguely as I have adapted it slightly to suit my LO, and I cant bear to not look at her at all during the night etc. But they way I am doing it seems to be working (mostly) well, getting better each night, with the odd slip. It is not perfect but it seems that I am sleeping more than I used to, and DP and I are arguing less during the night. Good luck

GN - thanks, it is very her! Well done for a good night. Hope it lasts, I found a few times that LO wakes and before I get there, she has gone back to sleep/appears never to have been awake in the first place.

Cruise- its on profile, I am guessing thats where Gn saw it? Isabella Poppy Grace, full names, Bella for short, or Bella Pop

Kate - try wetting a cotton bud with warm water and wiping under her nostrils a few times, keep wetting to keep bud warm. I was told to do this by GP when LO had blocked nose. MIght help?

Cruise - {{{hugs}}}} sorry you feel sh*t. I have seriously upped LOs intake - she has 4 meals a day now plus BF. I make sure I make everything too gunky and thin it slightly with baby milk to make sure she gets enough (still paranoid about weight and relation to my BF). She has pudding with lunch and finger food with all meals. I am spending most of my time cooking/preparing/feeding/washing/sterilising, but its all part of it eh?

Baby Whisperer - this, for me, has been a godsend. It is not perfect, and relies on willpower and I am guessing it must rely also on your own baby's temperament. I have started to swaddle my LO again, which has helped enormously. Only feed her once at night, whatever happens now, so she knows that no matter what she will not get BF. It was much much easier than I thought. I did not research it that much, I just took what I had heard, and one night, fed up, just tried it. I have had more sleep since I started last week than I have in months!

Hey lemonadegirl - welcome and sorry you need to be here!

i suck the snot out of my lo's nose!! how gross is that! he permanatly has a cold too...forceps deliveries are more likely to have sinus problems, allegedly....
anyway, he is grouchy as anything so need to put him to bed. i am all over the place with the weaning thing, just confusing the poor lad!

Cruise - also, your LO does not take bottle still right? I have just bought a tommee tippee cup, the one with the fixed handles? LO has been using to drink water form, can now actually drink some! So, as she wont take a bottle either, I have been offering her some FF from it, just to play and see what she does, have given her a different colour cup. She loves it. Her main prob is she wants to do it herself, cries if I try to do it. Mostly she sprays it over herself, or across the room like a fountain but is getting there. Worth a try?

I also dont BF at the same time as meals, usually and hour before/hour after. She has started to take less in at mid morning now though.

Mae - thats gross! I heard about doing that but, as much as I love my LO, I can just about manage wiping the green gunk from her face .
Youa re a brave woman!

Oh and as I have been making a habit of my sleeping routine being announced here is last night of PU/PD.

7:00pm, chill out, BF, story.
7:30pm asleep.
9:30pm, no sound so checked, all perfect asleep, had not moved.
10:15pm. Asleep. Dp comes in, door slams. LO awake. Thinks its time for food. Try PU/PD, she pushes to boob. BF.
10:30pm. Asleep.
11:30pm. Asleep. Telephone rings. BIL calling from USA. All of us asleep, wakes us all up as we cant find the phone. Tried PU/PD, she thinks it is still BF time as is her actual time. BF. PU/PD 5 mins, asleep on her own.
2:45am - awake PU/PD, does not work. LO thinks it is time for bf again, I hadmade rule I would feed if she woke after 3am any night.
3:30am - BF, pu/pd 5 mins asleep.
7:00am - awake for day. BF.

Tonight, I am taking the effing phone of the hook and locking DP in .

Still, a much better night that most of you all

Things still not improving here, still a 3 hour stint in the early evening then waking - got to waking every hour towards the end of the night. Still, it's a sunny day and we both got a nap in bed this afternoon so could be worse . Is there another growth spurt at 5 months? DS does seem to be feeding more. He's also started to sit up without falling over too much - clever boy!

We're spending as much time as possible outside each day now the weather is good. Hope everyone else has been enjoying some sunshine .

Swizzler - my dd always seems to be having a growth spurt!!!