the no-cry sleep solution

[iris66]

has anyone tried it? (book by Elizabeth Pantley) I'm on day 2 & looking for a bit of support as I know it's going to take time. I'm dying through sleep depravation with 8mth DS who bfs to sleep but is very very tricky to move so have been cosleeping whilst he fidgets & kicks all night(and power naps during the day)
Think this is the last chance saloon before ear plugs & leaving him to get hysterical (even though I know that won't happen - i just couldn't, he really does do the whole temper, then sad then hysteria/shaking/terror/I've been abandoned thing - even if DH goes to him - such a mummy's boy)
Anyway, please post if you've been successful with this [hopeful emoticon]

Hi Guys,

I've slacked off the plan due to colds, grandad visiting for the 1st time and teething, it's all gone wrong and Jake was awake every hour all last night. I suppose when you start something like this you have to keep it up. How's everyone else doing?

difers,sounds awful.we had similar night.after 2 nights of only waking once and 2 x hour and half naps a day we were up every 2 hours last night!do you think its boosting syndrome?next time he sleeps well im telling no one!dh let me sleep in though!
heres to better sleep tonight difers

i got copy of baby whisperer from ebay but reading bits i dont think its suited if you cosleep so have feeling it will be resold!might flick thrrough rest though!

It must've been the night for it. We were up every hour last night too. It seemed to be reflux related.

I slacked off the schedule all last week too, purely because I felt so awful after night after night of hardly any sleep.

I'm going to have one more night off, then start the sleep logs etc properly tomorrow.

Sorry to hear y'all had a bad night last night. DD fell asleep in her beanbag chair in the lounge about half an hour before I planned to start her bedtime routine, so I immediately whisked her upstairs (during which she woke), skipped her bath and went straight to bottle. She fell asleep on the bottle and slept thru fine. It kinda confirms my suspicion that the reason she's not been settling is she's overtired by bedtime. I have no illusions that last night spells the end of the problem tho, looking forward to getting my ncss book thru from amazon soon.

i cant even remember lastnight!i think ds slept till 3 or 4 but then i think it was hourlt suck on bottle then back to sleep and so on!then up at 6am and raring to go!a lovely mumsnetter has offered me ncss book so i'll know what youre all on about better!naps so far today are going badly as next door are having very noisy work done which is disturbing ds!

I've no neighbours but a noisy barky dog who I suspect to be the main nap disturber culprit. He slept in the car for 1.5 hours this morning but so far this afternoon I can't get him to sleep. Last night was better but still every 2-4 hours. It was better because I went to bed with him at 7.30pm. Did you read the thread about the woman who is concerned because her baby sleeps from 7pm to 5.30am and she thinks it should be 7-7pm?

no wheres thread?you are joking arent you?

oh my god i read it!its true!im lost for words!i want to say something but wont/cant!im gobsmacked

No joke.....it's the "Why won't my baby sleep on a shedule" one, admittedly I just re read it [for amusement]and she now has put that sometimes her baby does wake slightly before 5.30am.

just read that one,that was bad but i thought it was this one - 'Popsy hits stalemate....can someone remind me how to do controlled crying for during the night please......'i may have read it wrong but are they doing cc to get extra hour in bed?

i just reread,baby sleeping till 4 or 5 but its the you can crack it that sent me mad,its a baby!you dont crack babies!maybe im wrong so ignore me just my opinions!

I have tied my fingers together to stop me typing anything I may regret later

However........good progress alert!!!! (whispers just in case I jinx it)

Had a house full over the weekend so naps were up the swannee but DS only woke 1/2 times from 10-6 over the past 4 nights !!! He's still going to bed at between 7-8 with a wake up before the late feed but I've been able to get him to have water while in bed with me and have held his hand/cuddled him back to sleep more than a couple of times now. It finally seems to be working!!! (have I said this before???)

Anyway - he had 1.5 hrs sleep this morning (have noted he sleeps better after having a snack and bf - fuller tummy?)& 30 mins this afternoon then late tea & down at 7 so we'll see what tonight brings. He's also teething but I'm using 30c chamomilla which is really helping(homeopathic remedy available from Boots - cheaper & more effective than the weaker 6c teething granule stuff they sell)

BBWBabeLisa - must be murderous for you after Lola spent so long sleeping 12 hours a night!!!! hope she gets back to her old routine soon for you.

somethingunderthebedisdrooling - fab website - thanks so much for the link. It was certainly the boost I needed (so easy to lose heart isn't it)

moljam/difers - it was a new moon sat night (full one is 5 Nov) is it me or do your LOs seem to be particularly affected by these????

danceswithbaby - I'm guilty of not following the schedule properly too - but I am trying to tune into what DS wants more & just going with it. I seem to be getting more sleep that way...for the moment

sweetkitty - you still around lovely? hope you're not jsut too stressed to post

sleepy relaxing vibes to everyone for tonight then. xx

yay iris(also whispering!so as not to jinx or wake baby!).i heard good things about those chamollia(sp?)things,apparently weleda also do them.ds didnt want to go to bed tonight,he wanted to scratch wall!2 short naps today even after extra long walk in park!
heres to a good night!

Hi all, I'm really pleased for your good progress Iris, hope no jinx came and got you and you had a great night.

We have been going backwards recently - utterly awful night last night, to bed at 7.30 then up at 8.30, every half hour until 11, then 1, then 4, 5, 7 . Ds had what seemed to be a night terror at the beginning of the evening (even though I think he is too young for them yet), and I've just been reading that they are related to being overtired. Feel like such a bad parent today, no idea what I can do to make things better, really tired (feel dizzy when I move my head this morning). Really hope every one else is doing better.

bikebug!thats awful.its hard coping with no no sleep isnt it!wish i could help.ds slept 7-2 then up hourly until 6,im sure its his teeth.also he was cold so put grobag on him.my dd now 6 had night terrors,theyre awful.i used to find them quite scary to watch.he will grow out of them thats the good thing!(not much help!)

thanks moljam . I think it might be ds's teeth too, at least in part. I'm worried because he seems to wake up with pain, rather than just wake up iykwim? A real howl, often quite windy. Today we are going back to the start with weaning - nothing but pear and sweet potato (not in the same bowl!), no wheat, no dairy, no pulses etc. Maybe a few days of that will help. If not, at least I'll know it's not food sensitivity.

goodluck bikebug!if its night terrors he shouldnt be in pain,just like a nightmare but up and moving and 10 x worse from what i can remember.hope it goes ok!

bugger - up every 2 hours from 9 last night

but then I think it was largely due to wind from the copious amounts of broccoli and peas he demolished off DHs plate after his tea last night (and my sneaky boast - that'll teach me!!)

Bikebug - DS had a really bad virus at 5 mths that made him intolerant of loads of foods. Dairy, wheat & tomato seemed to be the worst(potato & peppers are the same family as tomato btw so we avoided those too) good luck.

Bikebug - Did you give him cheese or fish???? DS was awake for 3 hours last night. I think it might be cheese or fish or cheese and fish combo??? I keep startling awake to check that he is in cot rather than very unsafe bed with me..

Iris - Like yer moonlight theory - made me laugh...I checked his palms for hair...can't see any!!!!!

DS had 1.25hours this morning and is asleep now..I hope tonight's better!!!!!!

ooh, I gave him cheese... It was at lunchtime, but still, maybe that was it. He's not had much cheese before. Today we have had pear for breakfast, butternut squash for lunch and were going to have another spoonful of pear for tea in a moment (baby led weaning has also been put on hold, I'm shovelling puree for the duration of this experiment or I'll be too tempted to give him a bit of whatever I'm having). I'll stay off the tomatoes, potatoes, peppers too, thanks Iris.

He has had a 45 min nap this morning, an hour and 5 mins at lunchtime and about 20 minutes during our hour-long afternoon walk. PLEASE let these babies sleep tonight!

I think I'm evolving into some kind of weird creature that never has to sleep. I haven't had a stretch of sleep longer than 2 hours for 4 weeks at least and yet I don't feel too bad. Just been swimming, made rusks, done the nappy wash... there's no end to it. I look brilliant too, all white and gaunt with black circles under bloodshot eyes.

I re-started the programme yesterday, nap logs, sleep logs, trying to do the same stuff around the same sort of time each day etc. Kind of difficult when dd sometimes gets up at 6am and somethimes at 8am (short of bopping her on the head there's not much I can do about that).

She's being extra-clingy at the moment and for the last couple of nights has pretty much slept under my arm-pit. She had an hour long suckathon last night. Long b/f sessions like that make me itch like crazy (anyone else?).

Sorry to hear about the bad nights last night . I really hope your lo improves Bikebug. DD has only really been taking solid food for a few weeks and her reflux has returned with a vengence (even more wakings.... bring 'em on!). So it's back to very basic, plain foods for us too.

Hope it's better nights all round tonight!

Hi, bit of a new Mum me.
Hello all.
I've been reading with interest all your efforts/tips etc..
I guess I am trying the NCSS technique too, although I didn't know it was a 'technique' as such. My mum keeps telling me that my DS at nearly four months should be getting herself to sleep by now, and that all her four did. Talk about pressure!

Anyway, good luck to everyone, I think you're all doing a smashing job and I'm quite inspired.

p.s. cut Mad1 some slack, they may not have realised how the site worked.. I'm still learning!

danceswithbaby - all together we'd make a fab halloween picture wouldn't we - and with no additional make up needed

with you too on the annoying bf sessions DS seems to just suck me in through his teeth >(makes me want to scream "just gerroff me!!" )

teaclebeetle - welcome and glad you're finding the thread useful. Family pressure is the pits isn't it. I just smile weakly and go "hmmmm" in a "ooh I hadn't realised I was such a crap parent" kind of way
Actually, I lied, I've taken now to just ignoring their frequent comments and trying to go with the flow (DS's flow, to be precise

ds wouldnt nap today!he usually naps at about 10 then again about 3 and bed at 7 but today he napped at 12 then 5 and bed at 8.30.are planets shifting?not holding out much hope for night sleep!
can i be nosey,do any of you cosleep?i find it hard telling people i know in rl that ds isnt sleeping well as theyre immediate responce is its because we cosleep.he was in cot part time until recently and after about 8 months of sleeping 7-7(!!!!!)he decided no more rest for mummy!he had about month of starting night in cot then big bed but now full time cosleeping.im babbling,need sleep.