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Hello again all- may the sleepers continue sleeping, the new arrivals due or here get the idea very quickly and the rest of us see the light at the end of the tunnel!

Ha, my DS likes to stick his finger in my belly button. He also likes to touch my hair when feeding, I usually wear it up out of his way and he roughly pushes my face to the side to get at it or poke his fingers in my ear . I was a hair twirler as a child, either mine or DM's

DS likes tweaking my skin too - he can't usually reach my hair unless he's playing!

Another unsettled evening :(

Hey sunbeam I saw on Ann's page that she is accepting emails of interest at the moment! Now I'm confused, do I go ahead with the lady I found (who sounds lovely) or is Ann truly one of a kind and I should wait?

Wishing everyone some sleep. DH home tonight at least

Dd still tries to get her hand down my top to grab my boobs whenever we have a cuddle. It drives me mad. The other day she was watching me get dressed and said 'I just love your bosums mummy!' :o

I think you should stick with the other lady, though admittedly this is just so we can have a comparison to see if anyone can be a magical as the magical Ann. Somebody has to make the sacrifice for the greater scientific good. Really we should have got dreaming to try different people which each twin shouldn't we.

calm you beat me to it! I have emailed Ann, very happy to have a plan . It looks like she doesn't have availablity until the end of Feb so I guess it depends how quickly you want to try and sort things out.

DS was great a couple of nights ago but last night woke at midnight, 2:30 and 4:30. He's so inconsistent, I don't really understand it.

Wishing everyone a good night too!

Oooo thanks, just emailed Ann! I actually emailed another lady called Sian last night and she sounds lovely and is also available so think we might try with her and have Ann as back up if need be! Anyone used Sian ?

Sian from sleepwotzits gets spoken about quite highly on the sleep threads from what I've seen.

I agree Hear. In the interests of science and the advancement of the body of work on sleep, each DT should have had a different consultant. Studies are what twins are for, innit?

Shit. Screaming from all directions here. And I've had 20 broken minutes of sleep since 3:30. Rock.

Can I come and play? Had one full nights sleep in 5 years thanks to two mini 99s and I don't like to talk about it irl because people get bored /don't know what to say / judge etc
Tired down to my soul

Oh dear, looks like we will be riding out the hair pulling then, although am considering the option of sending DH for a wig! Here it's worst when she feels she is being unfairly put to bed.

Ninetynine know just what you mean about real life sleep talk. I had restrain myself the other day when someone told me that it was much harder for her having to (occasionally) get up once in the night than my daily, multiple wake ups, because apparently I'm 'used to it'. Totally in awe of those of you managing more than one!

I can't believe she said that Raspberry, did you say anything or just do the nod-smile?

I was telling a lovely childless friend about DS's night wakings when she visited at Christmas and she said it sounded awful and that she really needed her sleep! Of course the rest of us don't really

Oh dear Elph, sounds like and will be needed in copious quantities today

Was very definitely a smile and nod moment Attitude! I think I did suggest we could swap babies...

Hope you managed a bit more sleep Elph, if not from here too.

Attitude, yep, that drives me mad too 'oh, I couldn't do what you do; I really need my sleep'. Erm, riiiight, like I choose this??

To be fair I was equally clueless before having DS, I assumed babies slept fairly easily and was scornful of people 'making a rod for their own backs' as I saw it, not that I said anything to them. Quite ashamed of myself now but it's one of those things where sometimes you just can't know until you have your own.

I've been told to hand her over to my sil who would apparently sort it out in a weekend.
So way to tell me what you think sil

Presumably she would achieve that by letting her cry? I have a friend whose SIL said the same thing. They didn't think she was 'strong enough' apparently!

attitude yes.
I've also been told when she:
Starts eating solids
Stops breastfeeding
Moves into a different bed
Moves into a different room
Sleeps on her own
Gets a bigger appetite
Runs around more
Starts nursery
Starts school
Gets rid of her worms
Is toilet trained
Doesn't have me at night
Put her on a nursing schedule
(not all in that order)

That's right folks. If your child doesn't sleep there are literally hundreds of ways that it is your fault.
After 4.5 years dm has finally admitted we may just have a bad sleeper and mil has decided that it's a sign of high intelligence.

Ps to anyone with a younger one don't despair reading the age of mine. Almost all the others this age that i know do sleep through.

Me too Attitude, was expecting sleepless nights for a while but certainly not at thirteen months!

Have been advised lots of times by pretty much everyone I know to leave her to cry, have tried a couple of times but she has far more stamina for crying than I have for tolerating it. Think some babies are just so interested in the world they would rather do anything but sleep. That's what I keep telling myself anyway...

I have a special scornful look reserved for people who, after watching dd do any sort of physical activity, say 'well someone is going to sleep well tonight!'. Because, of course the last 3 years of broken sleep are completly due to me keeping dd tied to the sofa at all times. Ffs

Oh yes hear and don't forget about 'you need to get them into a routine ' but also ' you need to be flexible so that they can sleep anywhere '

DS1 and DS2 can sleep anywhere. As long as I'm between them and wherever they happen to be

That sounds really convenient for you!

It was quite pleasant today, actually. In Costa, DS2 conked out on me for over an hour. Steady stream of people to keep me in food and coffee. So much more considerate than the time he stranded me on the sofa at home with no heating on, no food, no coffee and the TV control out of reach.

That does sound civilised , it's definitely no fun being stuck without the TV remote or a smartphone (how did people cope before smartphones?). Ds seems to be doing better the last few nights but I'm painfully aware how fleeting these things can be so I'm not holding my breath just yet. I have my initial chat with Ann next week which I'm really pleased about though not due to start work with her until towards the end of Feb.

Hi, iv tried reading some of this thread. But have over tired, grouchy 1 year old climbing me!!
Can I just find out is the main prob with ur little ones that they dont sleep in their cots/beds, or that they dont sleep at all?
My boy will sleep like an angel in my bed but is a monster in his cot & im desperately trying 2 get him 2 sleep on his own!!

Hi catrina. My issue is multiple wakings. Ds is 1 and sleeps but wakes and needs resettling several times during the night. Mostly he feeds back to sleep but not always. We don't co-sleep except for one recent mostly disastrous attempt. He is generally only awake for longer periods or difficult to settle if he is teething or has a cold.