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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 29/06/2014 21:50

Hello again all- may the sleepers continue sleeping, the new arrivals due or here get the idea very quickly and the rest of us see the light at the end of the tunnel!

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AnotherStitchInTime · 14/09/2014 20:59

Progress! Well done cheese and cheeselet Grin

ChocolateIsMySleep · 14/09/2014 21:06

Hello Cheese, 3.5 years?! Wow, that sounds a tough one! Have you tried making a bed for you on her floor and saying you will stay there the night (and doing so)? At least that would get you out of her bed and that's the first step! Maybe give her something special of yours for her to look after? Don't know if she is a bit old for it but both my girls love their star projectors and DD1 turns her on if she wakes up in the night. Is there anything going on in the day that might be making her anxious? I think it is all of those sort of things that Ann looks at (from reading her website and comments) - i.e. so that she is more settled and comfortable at bedtime before you start making any changes to how she goes to sleep.

Elph, have you tried crio bru? Its hard to get here but its a bit like chocolate in coffee form iyswim - you brew it in a cafetiere or expresso maker and its somewhere between coffee and hot chocolate - but caffeine free (or virtually). Probably still a poor substitute for a giant mocha with whipped cream and sprinkles but every little helps?! I had some banana/coconut/raspberry "ice-cream" the other day which was actually quite nice - whizz frozen bananas and frozen raspberries then add coconut cream and blend again. Either eat "soft scoop" or stick in the freezer until firm.

Dreaming, I completely understand your frustration. DD1 has been through so many "good" phases and then reverted to bad ones again and its so bloody annoying!

Currently she has decided that the potty is potentially not the root of all evil - provided it is during the hours of darkness that is. Her latest trick is getting out of bed, taking off her pjs and nappy and calling me. When I get upstairs, there she is, sat on the potty, looking all innocent. Bah, she just knows I can't tell her off if she is on the potty!

Then the last three nights, she has got up at 4 am, switched on her bedside light, got undressed and sat herself on the potty again before calling me! WTF? Most of the time she doesn't actually produce anything (there was a tiny wee the night before last but that was it). What the hell is she doing (wide) awake at that time anyway?

DD2 is showing no signs of wanting to STTN. Sigh. Might have to think about Doing Something About It at some point. The health visitor helpfully suggested at her 8 month check that I stop feeding her at night and then she would sleep through (just like that!). I respectfully pointed out that that turned out be a pile of stinking, steaming bullshit with her big sister.

We're off to Turkey tomorrow….10 hours of travelling with a toddler and a baby…yippee!

ChocolateIsMySleep · 14/09/2014 21:10

Ooh, look at that! Progress in between me starting to write a post and getting round to posting it! Well done Cheese!

ElphabaTheGreen · 14/09/2014 21:10

...Blocks ears and sings loudly at Dreaming mentioning soya...

Well done cheese! What stitch said, but if you don't get any further, set a reminder in your phone to check Ann's website daily. Spots with her are like Brigadoon. They do appear, but only once in the mist every 100 years or so Grin

AnotherStitchInTime · 15/09/2014 01:50

Why oh why has my baby decided that he absolutely must practice his new found skill of standing up at 1am. Nearly an hour now. FFS just go to sleep!

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 15/09/2014 07:57

strike out fail in my post. I only meant to strike out the last bit about ignoring green frothy poo talk!

Well, dt1 slept all night last night. In his own bed. Called out and nearly cried twice so really did settle himself. Hurray! and today I was going to restart the work Grin In fact all 3 did. A real, actual sleep through!!!

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 15/09/2014 08:04

chocolate excellent suggestions and post from you. would you want to talk about while you learn we will just use the potty in the day. It's ok to still use your nappy at night. Then not leave it in her room?! You may just want to go with it. I am doing nothing about it with the boys bar asking them in the evening at bathtime if they want to sit on it. They both say they do not want to wear pants though, they're adamant about that. I hope one day, like dd, they just won't wear a nappy and it'll be fine. 3 days with some accidents then almost none ever since. here's hoping for a repeat, X2.

Good luck with the travelling. I thought you were very sensible til you mentioned the travelling

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Peregrin · 15/09/2014 20:55

Woo Dreaming!! Is this the first time all three of them slept through the night?

Elph sorry about my helpful recipe earlier :D didn't realise you are vegetarian. I have another recipe to offer in atonement. Sautée some diced onion in oil, pull off the heat, stir in a generous heap of good quality ground paprika (Hungarian would be good as the original version of the dish is from there). Add lots of potato cut into wedges, pour in enough stock to cover it (or at a pinch water plus a bit of celery/garlic/parsley/salt, if you can't find dairy free stock), add green peas towards the end, cook until done. The original version features things like lard to provide extra flavour and sour cream to serve with, but I guess you'll want to be skipping those. It is a great conduit for chilli paste too if you like that sort of thing.

We put Ann's programme on hold until I got better. Spitting out my lungs just as DS would be drifting off to sleep was unhelpful. DH took bedtimes over from me which was amazing, and entirely due to the progress made under Ann's guidance (DS refused to fall asleep with him until a few weeks ago). However, he was unwilling to push the process further because DS keeps having meltdowns when we try to have him fall asleep in the cot, and DH finds it comfortable to drift off to sleep himself while DS is curled up in his arms...

Now that I am better DS has decided to start waking every two hours again, and screaming hysterically unless I am holding him for bedtime (not even allowing his father to read him stories). Not really sure what is going on but we are regressing nicely.

Peregrin · 16/09/2014 19:49

Absolutely awful evening. DS started screaming as soon as his father picked him up post-bath to carry him to his room. I had to walk in front of them, and then keep DS in my lap while DH read his bedtime story, to keep him calm. Then lights out, and DS recommenced screaming hysterically in my lap. I gave in and started walking with him, to no avail. It sounded like he was being tortured. He calmed down when I gave him a bottle of water and he was chewing on the teat, but once he'd had enough of it, back to screaming we went.

Question to the dairy sensitive crowd: do you think it is possible that this could be linked to him having eaten some buttered toast in the morning - even though he slept nicely for both of his naps? It turns out that my mum gave him butter, despite knowing my position very well. She does not believe he is dairy sensitive and wants to prove it to me. I was furious when I found out. To make it worse she is effectively our daycare while both DH and I work full time, and we don't have many options. I think DS is too small to go to the creche anyway, but the waiting lists here are also many months long; and we need both our incomes to pay the mortgage. I can't just send my mother home tomorrow. :(

ElphabaTheGreen · 16/09/2014 20:10

Whether it's dairy sensitivity-related or not, you tell your mum he spent the day shitting through the eye of a needle and screaming his tits off in pain so she doesn't give it to him against your wishes again! Shock Cheeky mare. I found my mum trying to sneak bacon to DS1 when he was under a year old (vegetarianism aside, it was mega-salty American-style bacon). She got an earful that meant she has passed all food offerings under my nose ever since Hmm

I think last weeks green poos have been explained by the fact that I took DS2 swimming last week and pool water was probably ingested. We went swimming again today and I had a flash-back to swimming-related green poo with DS1. That's my fervent hope and I'm sticking to it. I'm still not sure I'm noticing any difference with the dairy/egg free (1.5 weeks down...2.5 to go...)

Peregrin · 16/09/2014 20:46

Elph that is a stroke of inspiration regarding the pool water. In any case, you are more than a third of the way through with the evil diet!

Sadly my mother a) is incapable of handling anything that could be construed as criticism and b) living in my house, 1500 km away from her own home, in a city she hates, in order to look after DS while I am at work. Consequently she knows he was fine during the day, and she heard all the screaming in the evening. She will sooner believe that it's because I am not holding DS right/making him stressed/the moon is full than that it could be caused by what she fed him.

There are many things very wrong with this situation, but on the other hand she is absolutely incredible with the baby, they have an amazing bond, and he obviously thrives with her - he is happier than when I was looking after him 24/7 during my annual leave, with help from DH. And as I wrote we are a bit short on alternative options.

Peregrin · 16/09/2014 20:48

And re. your mum and bacon... what is it with grandparents?! My dad also assures me that everyone will be passing DS sweets soon behind my back, because they all want him to love them...

HearMyRoar · 16/09/2014 21:29

grrr.. to your mum giving butter peregrin. It could be the dairy, dd had a slow build intolerance so if she had dairy in the morning it would be at night that it kicked in. With her oat intolerance it would even take a few days of eating oats before it had noticeable effects at first. Annoyingly though the dairy is pretty sorted now the oats have got worse and just a tiny bit will have her bubbling bellied and shitting green yuck within hours.

Or course, it could just be over tiredness, teething, a stomach bug, the wrong coloured sky,...etc...etc...insert random child annoyance here...

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 16/09/2014 22:00

peregrin the dietician told me butter actually has a pretty low cows milk protein content. I can now give my dts butter on toast. However I couldn't have much younger. He'd have reacted . He reacted to it all then. And yes, it always triggered reflux in the evening for us. still does if I fuck it up. So possibly. reflux I'd a total bitch. you're describing my dt1 with reflux exactly. I give dimeric one as an extra dose in that situation and it does help and within 30 minutes ish. is he on domperidone as well as ranitidine and if not can you get it as an occasional med? that's how we mostly use it now.

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 16/09/2014 22:31

*domperidone

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ElphabaTheGreen · 17/09/2014 10:05

Treated myself to a soy mocha today and on Sunday...only to discover the chocolate Costa use has milk powder in it. AAARGH! Please tell me I'm not going to have to reset back to four weeks more?!

Bloody lovely they were, though

Peregrin · 17/09/2014 14:24

Dreaming that is an interesting idea, thanks. DS is only on ranitidine. I will ask his doctor about domperidone for occasional use. And thank you for sharing your experience. Hear, that is true too!

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 17/09/2014 20:52

They'll want to do it as occasional think as the license for domperidone has just been changed 2 weeks ago. It has been found to accentuate some hear conditions. Our pharmacist rang us about it but said he thought in children (not elderly or those with known preexisting conditions) he thinks the liklihood of any issue is extremely unlikely. I asked my paediatrician friend who said it prolongs QT intervals (a change on ECG) but she has never known it happen though she does avoid it if there is a family history of this specific problem. so I'm happy with using it.

One wake up last night.

nah, I don't reckon reset elph

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 17/09/2014 20:52

*heart

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HearMyRoar · 18/09/2014 20:43

Just had the worst bedtime ever! Made worse by DH being out so I couldn't even throw a strop and refuse to do it.

I won't go into details but lets just say at one point dd was crying in my room while I was crying in her room. Not one of my finest parenting moments. In the end she went to sleep on our bed and that is where she will stay for tonight.

To be honest it has all gone to shit recently and I feel like we are completely back to square one after all the hard work and progress we had made. I am tired and fed up! I just want a child who sleeps, damn it!

ElphabaTheGreen · 18/09/2014 21:10

Oh dear Hear...Sad

All I have to offer you are Oreos or dairy-free chocolate, sorry.

HearMyRoar · 18/09/2014 21:46

Thanks Elph, I'll take the Oreos (dairy free chocolate is a bit weird). :)

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 19/09/2014 21:08

hear , slanderous talk.Lindt 70% chocolate is both dairy and soya free and delicious. As is some of the dark Divine range. Plus bourbons, pink wafers and party rings. And chocolate Nesquik. and Twinings hot chocolate. Me, I know all the important stuff Grin

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ElphabaTheGreen · 20/09/2014 16:12

(Taking copious notes)

Thanks for the heads-up on the hemp milk, Stitch. Definitely the best with coffee.

ElphabaTheGreen · 22/09/2014 12:08

Green and Black's mint dark chocolate also dairy free! Grin

Next fortnight not seeming quite so long after all...

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