Stuck in a never ending sleep regression

[PDog]

I am beyond exhausted. DD is coming up to 8.5mo and this has been going on for 2 months.

It seems to alternate between horrendous nights or horrendous days with horrendous bedtimes. She just can't switch off - I can't take my eyes off her for a second because she is not happy unless she rolling/grabbing something/putting something in her mouth.

When she does sleep, I have to feed her to sleep but as soon as I try to get her in her cot she wakes up and starts rolling.

She has only had 30 mins sleep all day today and gets more and more hyper. It then takes between 1-3 hours to get her to bed and she will be up to 2-3 times and ready to go by 6am (despite still been shattered).

Anyone offer any advice?

Or anyone in the same boat who wants to moan share experiences.

Hi haverina, welcome to the Eye-bag Club!

My threeha'pence, FWIW is this:

A possible explanation to why your DD is unsettled at bedtime currently....

If your DD is sleeping 3-5pm sometimes, I would suggest you did try and get the nap finished earlier. At 9 months, most babies can be happily awake for 3-4 hours. Try and make sure the second nap finishes no later than 4 (if you're aiming for a 7.30ish bedtime).

The only way I could stop feeding to sleep was to put up with a few days of protesting from my DD (which I did at about 7.5 months). PPO and the other methods just made her hysterical.

I would put her down awake and leave her to it, poised to go back into her if the crying sounded like it was getting into distress zone, rather than complaining. The longest she protested for was 25mins.

On the third day, she let me put her down awake without grumbling and has MOSTLY been fine with that ever since. It cut her night-wakings right down, too.

That said, she's just started kicking off again when I put her down at bedtime, but I think it's either the 9moSR (in the link above), a short phase, or I need to move her bedtime a bit later.

BUT once in the cot, I leave her there and just ssh/pat, say "it's sleepy time" over and over and eventually sit quietly on a chair by the cot until she's settled down. Which she does, sooner or later. But she doesn't get fed to sleep.

HTH!

Happy New Year evryone.

Curly, sorry to hear your DD's been unwell again but glad you got a bit of a break.

IC, you're welcome.

haverina, welcome. I agree with IC, the 9 month sleep regression is likely the current problem with bedtimes. There's more about the 9MSR here and here.

Sleep regressions aside, I think hit-and-miss bedtimes are more likely to do with naps than feeding to sleep. I feed to sleep and bedtimes vary according to what time DS naps and how long for (as well as how generally tired he is).

IME wanting to stay latched on for ages is a sign of overtiredness. You could try doing earlier naps and an earlier bedtime, especially if she's had a less good night the night before, or if it's been a particularly active & busy day.

Many babies work on a roughly 2-3-4 schedule: first nap 2 hours after waking, second nap 3 hours after waking, bedtime 4 hours after waking. At that age my DS was napping at roughly 9am and 1pm (he wakes at 6.30am).

If she only sleeps an hour at lunchtime, I'd bring bedtime forward by an hour. The likelihood is that she won't wake any earlier in the morning and should hopefully be easier to get to sleep.

How you stop feeding to sleep (if you want to) depends on whether your LO increases tension by crying or releases tension by crying. IC's DD is a tension releaser which is why she can leave her to grumble. My DS is a tension increaser which is why the same strategy doesn't work for me.

And, IC, I'd be feeding at 5am in your situation.

We've been up & down. DS had an upset stomach for a few days which meant night time poos.

That and being out visiting family meant he got really tired and had a few days of 3 hour naps (and still in bed at a reasonable hour).

He's definitely not dropping the first nap yet and is still sleeping around 9.30 and 1.30. Bedtime is getting later though. Like haverina it can be hard to know exactly when he needs to sleep (although we don't have the overtired problem - if I've misjudged it, he just doesn't go off). But it's usually 8.30pm, or later if he's had a late lunchtime nap, which is annoying as it wipes out most of my evening, but not the end of the world.

I think we're definitely entering the 13 month sleep regression now though. He's been showing the daytime signs of working on a developmental spurt (clinginess, crankiness & crying) - although alternating with spells of being just lovely. :)

He's harder to get to sleep for some naps and gets more upset when he wakes at night (and wakes a bit more frequently). But he's not been awake for long periods or difficult at bedtime, so the verdict so far is Not Too Bad. If it doesn't get any worse, I'll be happy. If my maths is right, it could go on for another month.

He's 1 today. :) I'm ignoring books that say that some babies need to feed at night till 12 months - he's had so many feeds the last couple of nights he's uncharacteristically refused one on waking. In general though the trend is an overall slow improvement.

Here's to a sleep-filled 2011 for all of us. I'd raise my glass, but I'm co-sleeping so I try only to drink at lunchtime.

Happy New Year all

Curly glad you had a nice break but your DD is unwell again.

haverina my DD is 12.5mo and I am still feeding to sleep. I find that she becomes more reluctant to release the boob when she is teething. When she is like this, I will unlatch her and then put her in her cot straight away. She does protest but is usually very sleepy so I jiggle the matress and give her back a rub for 10mins or so and she usually goes off. I think getting her away from my smell helps and if she protests too much, DH will take over as she often settles better for him.

Well I think we are heading into the 13mth sleep regression . Naps have gone a bit haywire and bedtimes have been a bit of a battle (after 9pm last night). Her wake ups have been later (4am-ish) but have lasted for 1.5 hours. She has crashed tonight though - haven't heard a peep out of her since 7pm. I'm expecting another long wakeful period tonight though.

Once we are through this regression I am starting the sleep training in earnest. More than a year of interupted sleep is as much as I can cope with.

Hi everyone and thank so much for your advice.
Angel I think your right about the napping. I need to be more consistent. I also need to get her up at the same time every day. I haven't been doing that. If, for example, she has a 5am feed, my dd will often sleep until after 8am and this ruins the nap times for the. Recently, when we had got nap times bang on schedule, she had been getting up at 6.30/7am every morning. It really shows that set wakenings do make a difference. Have had a chat with my dh and we have decided that we will waken my dd every morning at 6.45am, change her and have her feeding by 7am. Then first nap by around 9am.
I think that my dd is having a huge growth spurt. She hungry all the time. Last night she fed to sleep by 7pm but woke 45mins later. She fed on me but didn't seem satisfied. We gave her porridge which she devoured. She almost inhaled the bowl. She then went to sleep for 7 hours...hence the reason for my post at this time! Is that bad that we gave her solids at that time?

If she had a decent amount of sleep, then solids are the way to go for supper, I'd say haverina! Quite a few mums of hungry babies find something easily digested like porridge as a late supper can help with the sleep. If it works, go with it!

Happy Birthday, AngelPup!!!

PDog, Dr Christopher Green of Toddler Taming quotes studies that say sleep training (using CC) becomes more effective and works faster the older the child is. So if you resort to that method, with any luck, it should work fairly quickly and with minimal pain.
His method of CC was quite good, I thought - it's tailored to your baby/toddler and aims to avoid "hysterical" crying altogether.
Anyway, good luck - TTSP, TTSP etc....

Damn it, DD's up to Week 45 corrected, so not far from getting through the 9moSR - and now we have a 13 month one to look forward to? Great!

Still, DD had a good night last night. She played up a bit at bedtime (which was 15mins later), but I didn't pander to it, just sat quietly in her room for 5mins or so saying "Sssh - sleepy time" if she started protesting or sat up. She kept sitting up every time the chair creaked, so eventually I just left the room, given that she seemed calm enough. She was asleep a few minutes later, by about 19.45.
Woke once at 02.45, then went back down after a feed and settled herself after a wee bit of fidgeting. Then that was it until she woke for the day at 06.30.

I actually got 7.5 hours sleep in total!!! I think that's a new PB since DD was born!

Haverina, that sounds like a good plan. I found life much less stressful when I managed to work out a vaguely consisten routine for DS.

IC, that's fab about the 7.5 hours.

The 13 month regression is due to a developmental spurt at around 55 weeks. I think you've got off lightly with the 9moSR!

A couple of reasonable nights here: only one waking after my bedtime, although up for quite a while.

The other night he gave me a shock: I woke up and he'd vanished. It turned out he'd rolled off the bed without me noticing. Fortunately we have the mattress on the floor.

Well for the past couple of mornings my DD has woken up herself arounf 6.30/7am so se has slotted into our new routine quite well and has gone down for her nap exactly 2 hours after wakening. Still feeding to sleep but can cope with thi for now if we have a decent enough and consistent routine!

Bedtime is still a bit hit and miss. Last night she was sleeping for 7pm. Back up at 7.30pm howling and didnt go to sleep till 10pm. My DH ended up sitting in the room with her in silence and she self settled

This is the daily routine we are working too now (or at least trying to!):

6.45am full breastfeed
7.45/8am porridge
8.45/9am small Breastfeed then nap (as will only feed to sleep
11.30/12 lunch
1ish small breastfeed then nap - although this nap has been harder to implemet but we managed it yesterday - today we were out so harder to plan.
2.30ish full breastfeed
4.30ish dinner
5.45 start changing for bed/massage
6pmish bath
6.20pm book
6.30pm supper followed by breastfeed

Now...tonight the bedtime routine worked great. Its the third night we have followed these times and the 4th night of porridge before bed. Tonight my DD took longer to settle after porridge but to be fair she is teething and te poor baby was rubbing at her gums/ears. She settled at 8pm and has stayed asleep...so far.

Hope you are all getting on ok. Have not had a chance to read up on older posts but will do that ASAP in case I can add anything helpful, although I doubt I will be able to!

I have been reading some stuff online about the pick up put down and shuch pat stuff. Does anyone use this and is it any good? The thought of starting this now terrifies me...should I get a good routine in place first then start working on the feeding to sleep or just keep feeding to sleep? Ah so many questions!

Maybe get the routine bedded in before you work on the feeding-to-sleep, haverina.

PU/PD (minus Sssh/pat for this age-group, apparently...) requires a lot of patience and at least the baby isn't being left to cry alone - but it can be quite gruelling for the parent. But then, so is any sleep training, really.

Sleep training is always tougher during a regression though, so it may be better to wait until after Week 46 is past before you embark on it - if you can bear to! Doesn't sound like your LO's doing too badly so far, though.

Sitting quietly in your LO's room while they settle is a good way to help them, if separation anxiety's the problem (which it could well be at this age). I do this with my DD and it seems to reassure her enough to go to sleep, even if she's a bit lively to begin with.

Hah, ADog, I think you're right, I have got off fairly lightly regarding the 9moSR - I'm not knocking it!

The last couple of nights we've had an earlyish wake-up (22.30), followed by a quick feed/resettle, then another at around 02.30ish, then nothing until about 07.00, which has been allowing me to get some reasonable chunks of sleep. And DD's sleep quota seemed to go up a bit from her usual 10 and a bit hours to closer to 11.... Could be a blip, or....who knows??

Well things are not great in the Curly Camp at the moment and I am praying this 9moSR passes soon! DD is now over her illness but her sleep is all over the place. We are back to those dreaded 1.5-2hour awake periods in the middle of the night which seem to affect DD at each developmental leap time. SHe is also extra clingy in the day and I think we have some serious separation anxiety issues going on...

All in all I feel a little fed up as DH is now back to work and so I am dealing with most of the settling at night myself - last night it was 2.5 hrs and in that time I was headbutted by DD so hard (when I was trying to settle her in the bed with me and she was fidgetting and rolling about all over the place) I actually thought she had broken my nose!

I ended up shouting at her out of sheer frustration and then felt really bad.

We are at week 42 so at least another 4 weeks of this methinks... She has also learnt to stand in the cot (but not to get back down again) so leaving her to cry for a bit isn't even an option!
Does anyone have any tips on how to settle back to sleep when they do this as even bringing her into our bed doesn't work...?

The routine looks good Haverina however I haven't found PU/PD to be enormously sucessful tbh. It works sometimes, but not when DD is having one of her 'spurts'

IC you do seem to be getting off lightly in the 9moSR Glad you are getting some decent sleep tho!

AD at DS vanishing! We also had a falling out of the bed incident, but without a mattress when DH had her in the bed with him and I was in the spare room. I heard the thud and then the screams from next door but thankfully she was OK!
Glad things seem to be fairly settled for you at the moment.

So I may have another 6 weeks of this? :(

Thanks for all the advice. The past few nights have been hard going. Bedtime is actually better and my DD has settled pretty well at 7.30pm. She has been waking around 1.30am - previously she could last till at least 4am but she seems starving at 1.30am - I genuinly believe that she is hungry. She has been feeding from both breasts and she has never done this before during the night.

Anyway, getting her back into bed has been difficult. She wants to lie on me or lie in between me and my DH rather than go back into her cot. We've never had this problem before . I dont think I have helped matters by bringing her into bed with us to feed during the night. I never used to do this but when the weather started getting really cold I hated sitting on the stool in my DD's room and it was nicer to cosy in and feed in bed, plus it meant we all dozed during the feed. I think I made the sleep situation worse though as my DD would rather stay with us than go back into her own bed! So..last night during the night I fed her in her own room. She fed from both sides and was sleepy but not sleeping when I put her into her cot. I put her lullaby dog on and sat on the feeding chair in the corner of her room. She protested but did not cry and eas getting really sleepy...I thought it was safe to leave the room...wrong! She got hysterical. I should have waited longer. This was 2.05am but she wouldnt settle after that till 3.30am :(

Tonight I plan to do the same...is this gradual withdrawal? Not sure but it seems to work reasonably well.

My Dh and I tried controlled crying the other night and it was horrid. Angel I understand what you say when you say that there are 2 types of criers...my DD gets more and more upset to the point of distress. I went in after ten minutes (as guided by Gina Ford), then after another ten minutes but after 27 minutes we gave up. My DD was so distressed, I was starting to cry and I just couldnt do it anymore. My DD has allergies to milk and eggs and when we went through to her room her eyes were so red and puffy that we started to worry she had taken some sort of allergic reaction but I think it was just from crying. I know this sounds ridiculous but I felt so so guilty at making her cry and also angry at myself...it was such a waste of 27 minutes of crying IYKWIM. I knind of feel that it would have been fairer to see it through till the end after her crying for that length of time, but its not for me. At least I dont think it is.

So, the plan is to continue with sitting in her room until she is so sleepy that she is settle enough to fall asleep. Fingers crossed.

curly hope things havent been toobad for you.

Aw, haverina and curly....tough times.

haverina, I can't remember if I mentioned that after going into DD in the night, I then kip in her room on a mattress on the floor. Have you thought of doing something like that - just until she gets through this phase? (If there's enough space in her room?) It might help if it's separation anxiety and would perhaps save you having to sit wide awake on the stool for ages.

CC is tough and it works better when babies are older anyway, so if you can't stand it, put it aside and maybe revisit if you have to at a later stage.

A lot of breast-fed babies in particular continue to want at least one feed overnight until they're well into their second year. It just depends on how disruptive that is to your sleep as to whether you want to night-wean or not. The long resettles are a killer though, aren't they?

And your DD might well improve ahead of time - sleep regressions hit in different ways (if at all) and she may come through it quicker than you think or not be so unsettled by the second part of it.... so don't despair

Don't be too hard on yourselves Curly and Haverina, I'm sure we have all been there plenty of times - I know I certainly have.

On the standing up issue Curly, until DD figured out how to get herself back down I just kept going in and laying her back down - frustrating I know. One night it took 3 hours of this before she was too tired to stand back up again. It didn't last for too long though.

Haverina I'm not a fan of CC but have tried it out of frustration. My return to the room only made my DD more upset. We have recently had success with cry it out. Sounds awful, I know but DD only cries when I leave, within a couple of minutes she settles down. She still whinges/talks away to her teddies but it is not a distressed cry iykwim. Only started this after she was a year old though and took us a few nights of staying with her and rubbing her back/laying her back down before we got there.

I don't want to invoke the MN curse so will whisper this quietly - we have seen massive improvements in the last week.

I am no longer feeding to sleep
She will self-settle herself for naps
She has been having 2 naps at home (still only half an hour at nursery)
AND
She is sleeping through

This has been happening for nearly a week now so am hopeful we have finally resolved our sleep ishoos. She is 13mo though so it is about time and there is hope for you all.

PDog!!!

Fabulous news!

I love a bit of success, it really does give hope!

That's kind of what I did with DD (let her cry a bit, but be on hand to comfort) - it's not really CIO.

Anyhow, good on the PPup!

Hello, I hope you don't mind me joining you. I read the OP and breathed a sigh of relief. I thought it was just me with a dc like this.

He is just 6 months and he so alert, rolling everywhere, trying to crawl and wants to eat everything- remotes, phones,watches.
I am obviously pleased he is an active little man but nothing tires him out and he is a nightmare to put to sleep.

I tried a new tactic at bedtime last night, holding his hands so he cant flail them about and stroke his face with the other.
He then woke up 3 times in the night and by the third time he wont resettle. I perhaps am not persisting enough but I am exhausted!

I am thinking about
.bedtime milk.
.lavender and camomile in a cup of warm water in the room.
.Buying a white noise cd (if he is going to settle I use a white noise app on my phone with his taggie over his eyes).
.More solids.

I am at my wits end. Crying it out and he will just scream the place down (worried about the neighhbours as well).
P.U/P.D he thinks he a great game. Sigh!

Does anyone have any words of comfort? This will end one day won't it?

TIA

Wow PDog it sounds like you have really turned a corner...long may it continue for you! I am only slightly
Did you do anything different or did she just do it on her own??

Welcome Pipplin - your DC sounds just like mine was at that age. SHe has had some good periods in between (she is almost 10m now) but we are having a bit of a 'mare at the moment. I am sure it will get easier for you, you just need to find that 'something' that works. I never had much sucess with PUPD either.

Haverina I know what you mean about the CC. We also tried it (albeit half-heartedly) out of frustration, but it just makes her worse and I get upset and can't sleep through her crying anyway (even if DH is tending to her) so I might as well be up with her

Still the same for us. Where DD has been sleeping poorly, she has been sleeping in until 9am. I know in my heart of hearts that I really should pick a time, say 7.30/8 and get her up at that time every day (esp as I am due back to work soon) otherwise the whole days napping/food times go out of sync. Trouble is, a bad night for her = a bad night for me and I just can't bring myself to drag me and her out of the bed before I have to! Has anyone had any success by doing that tho??? because if it is likely to help I will try it

I think she was ready for it tbh Curly. At the start of last week she was still waking once during the night and was up for 1.5+ hours. She refused when I offered boob so I stopped getting her out her cot and just gave her some water. After about 4 nights she slept through and has done ever since.

I've stopped bf during the day and now just feed before bed. I've never refused - DD just didn't seem bothered anymore and seems to quite enjoy cows milk and a snack instead. I don't she is far from self weaning and .

I went out for the afternoon on NYE and she self settled for DH when he put her down for her nap so we just carried on putting her in her cot and leaving her. She does whinge for awhile but is not distressed and seems to run out of energy and just conk out.

On the waking at a set time - I started doing this at about 7/8mo but tbh it was more the other way round - DD waking at 6am-ish and me trying to persuade her to sleep longer.

She does occasionally sleep later than 7am and I will usually leave her and just make adjustments for naps. Even if she has a bad night she rarely sleeps later than 7.30am though.

Thanks IC, hope the jinx spray works.

Welcome pipplin. Does your LO nap well? It could be overtiredness, particularly if he is very active.

IME, there was no connection between the amount ate and sleeping but it may be different for you.

Hope things improve for you all soon.

Greay news PDog, you must be so relieved, and feeling so much better getting some decent sleep. You show us all that there is hope It does sound as though your DD is just ready to self settle - it all seems to be coming together well.

Welcome Pipplin. What are daytimes like? Talk us through your day/night step by step?

CUrly I feel the same as you - I know I should wken my DD at 7am every morning but after a bad night when she sleeps a bit longer I make the most og it TBH and stay in bed too. Last wek my DH and I decided to be really strict and have set wakenings but we haven't seen it through and have now decided, like Pdpg just to adjust nap times. Obviously if she was sleeping really late after a bad night then I'd waken her. Last week when things were really bad the latest she slept was 8.45am, but she will rarely sleep later than 7.45am. TBH, the time that my DH wakens seems to be more to do with when her last during the night feed is rather than when she goes to bed.

Well, I am scared to say anything in case I ruin it all but things are much better here. Last night my DD was sleeping for 8pm, woke at 4.45am for a feed and was sleeping again for 5.30am. I had to waken her at 7.45am as we were going out early this morning. We were out for dinner last night (for my birthday!) so we were later home than usual. She still settled well though. I woke up every hour expecting her to waken !!!!

So whats different? Well for a start we have dropped one of the daytime naps...this is a very recent development though. Think today was day 3 or 4 of this. My DD was fighting with us at the second nap so we are encouraging her to have one nap around 12ish. Seems to be working ok so far. Before xmas she would sleep for 2-3 hours per day split into 2 naps. Then she got a sick bug and this all changed. Not sure if the struggle with napping has been a developmental thing or due to her being unwell but we shall see how it goes.

We are continuing with sitting in her room until she is very sleepy or almost asleep. During the night last night my DD fed on both breasts and came off herself - she is doing this more and more these days. She then sat on my quietly for a few minutes and was VERY sleepy. I put her in her cot, she woken up and made a tiny couple of cries, I sat on the seat and just waited a few minutes until I was sure she was almost asleep and it worked! The exact same thing happened at bedtime tonight.

So, does this mean that I am tackling the feeding to sleep thing or am I being too hopeful?! Am I still feeding to sleep if my DD comes off for a few minuytes before I put her into her cot? Previously my DD was stay latched on until she was in a proper sleep, then I would take her off. I am trying to take her off while she is sleepy and doing the fluttery sucks now and it seems to work.

Sorry for the long post, I have a habit of typing fast and writing loads.

So many typos sorry , I really need to start previewing.

InmaculadaConcepcion, I have a lovely new comfy chair from ikea, complete with foot stool, so its no longer so bad sitting in my DD's room . I don't think I could cope lying on a matress in her room, is that awful of me to say that?

Not awful at all, haverina - do what suits you best!

No, if your DD unlatches herself I don't think that counts as feeding-to-sleep. My DD often does the same - she lies back in my arms as if to say "I'm ready to go in my cot now, Mummy"
And if she wakes properly when you put her in and then settles herself (albeit with you in the room), that's all to the good.
In fact, what you're doing is the Pantley Pull-Off and it sounds like it's paying off, good for you.

I'm interested in you dropping the second nap, curly. We're currently on two naps of about 2-2.5 hours in total. DD drops off pretty well in her buggy usually (haven't attempted the cot for a while - it's less stressful to take her for a walk) so I assume she still needs the two. I am wondering about how the transition to one will happen and when....
Glad to hear you've had improvements!

Hi pip - sounds like your DS is easily over-stimulated. Over-tiredness is often a problem with those kinds of LOs. How's his napping? My DD couldn't stay awake for more than 1.5-2 hours at that age, then would need a 45-min nap recharge.

Thanks for the details, PDog! How wonderful for everything to slot into place, naps too....

Last night wasn't too bad. Bed-time reasonably straightforward, then one wake-up about 01.45. She took about 40mins and a couple of attempts to resettle, but then slept until 07.20, so that was fine.

Ok, here we go:
We don't really have a big routine at the moment.
.He wakes between 7 and 8( depending on how well he slept during the night)
.Has bottle and porridge.

.Then has a nap at half 10- he just doesn't seem tired any earlier although I have tried.
This nap I either go for a walk or hold him, play white noise and he has dummy and taggie over his head.
.Wakes between half 11/12.
.Bottle, will then stay awake for a couple of hours. See sleepy signs- rubbing eyes and a particular cry then hold, play w.n. I can't always put him down once he is asleep for this nap. I don't know if I want to take him out again but could do.

.Wakes after 45 mins to an hour then has tea.
Plays then has bottle.

.Plays until 7ish then gets tired and has a little nap- this is where I imagine we are going wrong but not sure how to fix it. He wont stay asleep so I don't know if he isnt ready or what.
.Wakes at about 8 and has porridge and bottle. The porridge I only tried last night in an attempt to keep him asleep.
He was asleep by 9 and was put down.

Slept until 3 then awake again at 5 and then up at 7.

Sorry for very long post!

Tuesdays however is different as we go to a baby group at half ten. He naps for fifteen mins on the way there and plays happily until 12 when we leave. He falls asleep on the way home and has been asleep for an hour now.
He'll probably have a little nap after his bottle when he wakes up.

Also I would love to just lay him in the cot and let him fall asleep but he rolls around and if I put his wedge in- to stop him rolling as I worry he may not turn himself over. He wont fall asleep though. He just gets so worked up then takes him a long time to re settle.

Sorry to rant but I have no one to talk to :( A lot of people I know have angel babies or lie and tell me such.

Pipplin - rant away, that's what we're here for Hope things have been better for you?

IC sounds like you are haveing an OK time at the mo. Are you officially out of the 9moSR now?
It's not me who has dropped the second nap by the way, think you confused me with Harverina. I think it is heading that way though as she is starting to fight her morning one now...

Sounds like you have made some progress Harverina - hope it's still going OK?

AD how are things for you? Does your non-appearance on the thread mean you have finally cracked it?

Well, things are awful here. We had the most horrendous night last night and things are just not improving. I am at the end of my tether. Have resorted to CC tonight - even though I never thought I would - but it is ruining my relationship with DH (he is permanently in the spare room and we are at each other constantly) and I need some sleep. I know there is a chance it will not work while we are in the 9moSR but I have to try something...
I will let you know how I get on. It is not easy - she has been crying now for 1.5 hrs

I echo what curly said, pip - rant away!
I can't think of any suggestions for you though....

Sorry for the mix-up, curly!
And sorry to hear you're having a tough time of it...
One of the lasses on our post-natal thread did CC in the 9moSR and it improved things enormously and her DD sleeps through more often than not now. But she still has intermittent bad nights.
Doing sleep training during the sleep regression doesn't mean it won't work, but it is likely to take longer and is more likely to be derailed by circumstances IMO. Good luck, it's no fun is it?

DD is now officially in week 46 (corrected) so we're almost out the other side. And yes, she's been pretty good really, so can't complain. One wake-up last night, couple of attempts and about 40mins to resettle, but that was it until 06.20 (and she then slept until 07.00 cuddled up to me). So yes, looks like we've got away with it to a large extent. We've also been lucky that she hasn't been ill or had any tricky teething to contend with.

I think ADog is back at work, which might explain her absence. She doesn't have as much time (and probably less energy) to spend on MN....

We miss you though, ADog