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Daily Mail thread 5

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madameDefarge · 05/09/2009 21:06

and a sticky? pretty please?

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AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 06/09/2009 13:03

not all over, actually. there's a discussion about the archives on here that is potentially interesting.

WebDude · 06/09/2009 13:04

"you just can't reason with the unreasonable" (daftpunk)

understood - but it's clear that views, especially political, can be strongly polarized, and if a prty, or paper, seems to stand for values that one doesn't agre with, one has every right not to agree with supporting them/ links to them.

I don't read any of the papers on a regular basis, and don't take much interest in even the free ones that are stuck through the door, but taking a glance at a few articles, and just as important comments from readers can show quite a strong set of values in the DM which do not look to me to be "live and let live" so while I may not suggest "work of the devil" about the DM, it's not a paper I'd want to be seen reading, to be honest.

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 13:10

That a paper like that exists and has the circulation it has in this country shows that the education system has a way to go in teaching about diversity and tolerance.

Blackduck · 06/09/2009 13:14

I meant the column issue aitch. As for the archives I don't see why they should be cleared out yearly.....

Noddy - I'm with you.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 06/09/2009 13:34

oh yes, blackduck. i'm curious as to why a new part 5 was started, tbh, when this one existed. and by curious i think i mean suspicious.

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 13:44

I agree WD. I don't read newspapers either on a regular basis. And all of my exposure to The Mail has come from MN'ers posting links. 100% of it.

I don't agree with some stuff in The Mail, and think Littlejohn is a zealout. But disagreeing is different from casting aspertions. For any democracy to flourish there has to be robust debate, and that means respecting the role of the opposition.

I really cannot see how people talking about (quoting from numerous peopleon the thread) 're-education', and 'teaching about diversity and tolerance' cannot see that they themselves are falling foul of the prescritiveness they seem to hate from some columnists in The Mail. Just becasue these prescritions come from the left does not make them any better than those coming from the right. Just where is the 'tolerance' in describing a huge readership as thinly veiled racists, just becasue they 'might' disagree with you. Call the colunmists what they want; the readership are just like you. Are you easily brainwashed? Are you defined by something so simple as the newspaper you read?

You can go on to the BBC politics forums and read very intolerent stuff. Do these comments represent the BBC? No. And just like any forum, you will have a hardcore of people posting most things. There is no vetting procedure. They do not constitute a 'voice of middle england'.

Taking more stock in what ignorant loudmouths have to say, rather than what is actually said in articles, is the real stuipdity here.

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 13:48

Where is this 'thinly veiled racist' description?I can't see it

xxxxBAMBOOxxxx · 06/09/2009 14:22

I love the archives. Please don't mess around with them

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 14:51

It's in the pages of thet last thread. If you don't believe me, go look yourself.

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 14:54

No one didn't believe you.Chill just couldn't see it here

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 14:56

"Chill" lo

I didn't even type any exclamation marks!

People just make it up as they go along on here

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 14:57

Sorry just 'if you don't believe me'has the ring of the playground tbh

RustyBear · 06/09/2009 15:00

I have to declare an interest in the archives, because they are how I found MN in the first place when my head teacher asked me to research a subject for a governors' meeting.

I googled & came across a massive hard-hat-and-popcorn thread that started off on one issue & ended up with one poster defending herself vehemently against unanimous opposition on another related issue - oddly enough that poster was none other than LH under her original name...

The standard of debate (and, because I am an incurable pedant, of the spelling and grammar) made me think this was no ordinary forum, so I investigated further, and pretty soon I was hooked.

But, in any case, I do still find the archives useful - starting a thread on, say hot flushes, might bring in a dozen replies, possibly 20-30 if you're lucky - but searching the archives gives 500+. And it meant I didn't have to start a thread giving details that I might not really want DD, who also uses MN, to read.

daftpunk · 06/09/2009 15:01

lol...and you're so grown up and reasonable..

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 15:03

Yeah, maybe - I have had people DEMAND me to do that kind of stuff though. I shalt not be so defensive

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 15:04

No I was just looking and looking thinking I was going nuts.DP you know what I think of you so lets just leave it at that.

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 15:05

If it's the thread I am thinking of RustyBear, I would have to admit that I was wrong then - and I was a member of the 'unanimous opposition' again

daftpunk · 06/09/2009 15:08

webdude;

i read quite a few papers tbh, what i meant when i said "you can't reason with the unreasonable" was more about attitudes to posters who read the DM....you know, if you have the slightest concern about immigration people assume you're racist..(laughable)...it's impossible to get through...so therefore impossible to debate.

MrsE..totally agree with your post...i found the "we can educate the DM readers" probably the most patronising..

i don't need educating.

RustyBear · 06/09/2009 15:09

It was three years ago MrsEric -were you around then? Don't want to specify the thread, as we're not supposed to identify LH's old name.

daftpunk · 06/09/2009 15:11

yes NH i know what you think of me, and trust me..the feeling is more than mutual..

which is a shame, because untill you went nuts on my SN thread i thought you were borderline ok.

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 15:12

I genuinely think that most people who have been arguing against this have been indulging their first instincts - knee jerk, DM bad/MN good, etc without really listening and trying to appreciate MNHQ's arguments. This may have been exacerbgated by MNHQ not being exactly sure what their argument was however, hence the poll being slightly woolly.

Barricades were built and defended far too quickly imho.

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 15:14

Oh god, yes. Been around for years. It's Monkeytrousers! I'm thinking the one about the Danish cartoons.

noddyholder · 06/09/2009 15:15

i have never gone nuts in my life

MrsEricBanaMT · 06/09/2009 15:16

Thanks DP, but sometimes I think you agreeing with me gets me into all kinds of trouble

daftpunk · 06/09/2009 15:22

maybe it's just the effect i have on you then....what did you say..

DP, hope you get banned

everything DP posts is carefully thought out to manipulate

DP is the biggest egotist MN has ever had..

ummm....hardly in control were you.

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