Daily Mail thread 5

[madameDefarge]

and a sticky? pretty please?

I think you have to discount the 'don't cares' actually. Its bad enough that there are essentially three ways of saying yes, without arguing that don't care is essentially approval.... But hey we've been over how badly designed this poll is a zillion times arleady...

Stripey, the political ethos of the Mail has been exactly the same for my entire living memory. It will not change just because of a weekly column from MN. Particularly if it's about farking lunchboxes or 'shallow' mummies obsessing about school run fashion.

Thats the spirit SF. Apathetic conservatism.

Oh FFS. I'd be DELIGHTED if a MN Trojan horse effort could change the DM's stance against BF, working mothers, all of it (without nec messing with the political slant; that's their business).

The fact that I don't believe it will happen is not apathy or conservatism.

I also don't think it is a valid reason to sacrifice Mumsnet's independent voice.

But go do ahead and patronise me some more if you're enjoying it, MrsE. Jeez.

That's 'do go', of course. You can patronise me about that, I deserve it

I don't want to patronise you. Just your argument

If what you are saying isn't apathy or conservatism (and others can judge that for themselves) it certainly isn't progressive, is it?

and actually, just another response to Pruners re small minded DM readers - I know plenty of small minded people who refuse to analysie issues from wider perspectives who are Guardian readers. Reading The Guardian tells me nothing nuanced aboit Israel/Palestine for example - quite the opposite.

the biggest racist i've ever met was a guardian reader.....he also abused his wife.

but he bought the guardian...so he's ok.

ladymuck, i'm not arguing for the deletion of the archive, i'm saying that it should go off the boards after a year. i find it hard to believe that the information you require wouldn't be there in a year's worth of posts.

i really do want to know some of the data on the archive, i can't imagine that people are actually clicking and looking at posts that are three years old. even if we're in the DM under assumed names, someone searching can put in the quote and find the real person in an instant. i don't know why they would, particularly, but they could.

the idea that by submitting copy to the DM MNHQ would retain control over it, btw, is laughable, as any journalist will tell you.

and DP, did you really say that Richard Littlejohn was the only journalist speaking sense in this country?

I do think the Guardian is bought by alot of DM readers to hide the DM in when they're walking home from the newsagents.

Did you say that DP? Richard Littlecock?

If half as many people who claim to read The Guardian actually did read it their circulation would be double.

If half the people who claim to never read the DM were telling the truth - their circulation would be halved.

People can claim what they like - the stats tell another story.

yes i did say that about Richard Littlejohn..

i agree with pretty much all he says.

Aitch, sorry but I disagree. At least one of the threads I was reading yesterday was from 2002 and another was from June 2008. In fact I didn't read a single thread from my search that was within the last 12 months. On the strength of those (and due to a slowdown by the Audi factory) we are changing a car order, so yes, they're very valuable to me. I could have posted my query, but it may have got few if any answers - as you pointed out it is all a bit more Real Time and threads get missed.

Threads about specific destinations/schools/products don't always get repeated yearly. And of course there may be other threads with helpful information in them that don't come up because you haven't defined the search appropriately. But there is a huge wealth of wisdom on here that I value greatly. There are more "users" of MN than "posters".

There may be a case for certain other categories as well as chat to be deleted. It might even be interesting to go through the topics to see what needs to be deleted. I can't see anything contentious in any of the car threads that I read yesterday that would require them to be deleted, and they've probably saved a fair bit of money.

i agree with you aitch about deleting all posts after a certain time (i'd say a year)

most advice is out of date by then.

not sure about editing posts, (i'd spend half my life editing) i think when you press the send button you have to live with it.

why is there always this assumption if you are not a mail reader you must be reading the guardian?

We've posted our response to all this here folks.

maybe DP IS Richard Littlejohn

No, he would hate me. DP likes me!

yes, that's a good idea, ladymuck, more of the topics to be binnable would also work. i agree, no reason to bin products etc if you think they're helpful.

All over guys - see sticky thread....

not all over, actually. there's a discussion about the archives on here that is potentially interesting.