Mumsnet - please can you sort out all the Jade posts?

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Its horrible. Regardless of what she did/didn't do, she was a mother. We are all mums and God forbid we will ever have to go through something like this, knowing we will leave our kids behind and not see them grow up.

Threads like this are not in the spirit of Mumsnet and yes, I can hide them if I want, but to be honest, would like to see them deleted. I know policy is to let the debates run with minimum intervention, but tonight its going too far

Thanks,

Puss

One of the worst things I read - right at the start when she was first diagnosed was "I bet it's a PR stunt and she's had a dodgy smear"

but that's only bad in retrospect, beanie. it may very well have been the truth. look at jordan's finger cancer.

wotu, i don't think that's at all unreasonable, it must have called up a lot of bad memories for you, of course you'd be upset. like you say, it's probably some projection but it's perfectly valid.

the flip side is that i've seen a lot of people post that anyone who disagrees with the majority can't have had a loved one die of cancer. i do find that insulting, tbh.

Exactly Aitch.

Unfortunately when there is such a media storm whipped up around a person it is surprisingly easy for people on either side ("it's all mass hysteria" v "Bermondsey Princess") to lose sight of the fact that there is an actual person at the heart of all this.

I don't want to get into an argument wotulookinat, you know your own feelings of course. I'm not sure that your feelings are misplaced, it's perhaps not so much that you feel grief for Jade Goody as that it reminds you of a painful time in your own life.

A lot of people claiming to be "grieving" are not in that situation, they just seem to publicly emote on cue and FWIW I find it rather odd.

"that is more to do with what aitch touched on before though. People not trusting the whole shleb meeja thing, rather than being callous"

I don't see it that way. To suggest it's a PR stunt suggests that Jade has set the stunt up or allowed someone else to do so with her consent. Which IS mean whatever way you look at it. It implies that Jade Goody is such a horrible person that she would do something like that, and that shows a distinct lack of empathy or feeling. It's not just someone saying 'well I think the reaction is mawkish and I don't feel that devestated by this' it soeone being mean.

I am bowing out of this.

I just opened my newspaper and read that two young children in my neighbourhood lost their parents and their grandma yesterday day. The three of them were brutally murdered by the man in the flat downstairs.

it's perfectlt possible that it was a pr stunt in the beginning. her team told her ON CAMERA, that's mind-boggling really. but they knew it would hit the headlines and rehabilitate her. it did, of course, but at diagnosis they'll have expected her to beat it.

Yes, you're right, it reminds me of a very sad time for me. I feel better now I have actually 'told' someone how I felt - I was wondering if I was mad!
Quint, that's awful news.

how horrible, qs.

me too, wotu. you are Not Mad.

I would put money on there being celebs who have made up illnesses in order to generate themselves a bit of publicity.

Indeed, the on-camera notification of the diagnosis was absolutely sick.

what's this about Jordan's finger cancer? Never even heard of that one!

i think it was after it was revealed she'd made a man out of gareth gates while pg. headlines were 'jordan's got cancer/i'll beat this for harvey etcetc' and it was a wee growth on her pinkie.

why would you be devastated by something that hasn't affected you personally though?

I really can't understand this expectation that people will/are/should be devastated. I'm not devastated, I didn't even know the woman. It's sad for her children and the family she's left behind, but I don't think that me personally not being sad about it makes me some kind of unfeeling monster.

ah right. sounds minor but I can imagine it's a huge shock to have the c word used about you or someone you love, even if it is minor.
Did anyone know Pete Burns is critically ill, apparently? Or have I missed all those threads?

I'm not devestated by it. A few years ago I would barely have noticed. Since recently becoming a mum though it's brought the reality of the fact that we're all going to die hoe to me (suppose before that I was still thinking like an invicible teenager). Tomorrow it could be someone I love, or me and then DS would be left without a mother. It's also made me super vigilant about any signs of 'getting old' in my parents and PILS (who are in their 50s, and fit and healthy ). So I suppose although I can't say that I am personally upset, I do find it sad, and the fact everyone knew it was coming just helped to build up the emotions surrounding it - like watching a really weepy film (and yes I know how callous that sounds).
So, in brief, I agree with you wannabe!

oh yes, definitely. but it was also exploited to rehabiitate her after the (untrue) 'jordan's drug-taking injured her unborn baby' stories, well after they'd have known that she wasn't in danger.

The process you are referring to is called cartharsis, Stealth, a natural and normal thing - especially when watching a weepy film which we do by choice and "enjoy" the sad feelings - but taken to the levels we have seen with Diana/Jade it makes me feel decidedly icky.

I can't spell .

Good old Wiki explains it far better than I ever could

actually, gm, i don't think i'd find it a patch as icky if more people admitted that it was catharsis, and that they were at some level getting off on it. i mean, i've been reading a lot of the stories on her health, at some level it's been entertainment, which i feel distinctly queasy about.