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If you (still) feel the need to discuss Moldies [part 2]

1008 replies

YetMoreTech · 31/12/2008 11:29

This thread is a continuation of this one. That one had become too big for its own boots the system to handle.

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FiveGoMadInDorset · 01/01/2009 00:14

That is truly scary Hunker

Bauble99 · 01/01/2009 00:19

That picture of Justine keeps popping up. She must feel like Dorian Gray.

sarah293 · 01/01/2009 09:16

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fizzbuzz · 01/01/2009 09:50

I've missed all of this (been ill)

Who's actually gone?

BumpermightsuetheSindie · 01/01/2009 10:21

Ok, so I made the mistake of googling mumsnet moldies and someone was commenting on my bloody username FFS here.

TotalChaos · 01/01/2009 10:22

I broadly agree with Rev - if we are all keen on MN being this great big inclusive site - then we shouldn't be saying any group of people (well other than destructive trolls) should just bog off.

wotsits · 01/01/2009 10:40

Okay, have been following the moldies thing since it kicked off, and have not commented. Just want to say, following Bumper's link: "the fuff word"! The FUFF WORD???

WTF!!

GoldenMoldie · 01/01/2009 10:42

I am a moldie. I vetoed people. It was brilliant.

LIZS · 01/01/2009 10:43

I agree in part with Smilleyspeople and on that basis I don't think I can bear ill will against individuals who chosoe to post on MN too. Whether the whole set up was made clear on the invitation I don't know but I can well believe that some just joined without thinking of the consequential fallout. Presumably a system for further invites was set up by the original participants and then changed, although the www is a notoriously difficult format to negotiate such technicalities democratically.

However feelings have long since moved on from merely being long standing mnetters excluded from MN Oldies, that is farily short term adn more easily got over. Things took a more dubious turn once the original nomination sytem and the nominate/veto system became known especially among those whose names have apparently come up and were deliberately excluded or ignored.

I wonder if it operates in reverse - once someone on Moldies shows themselves in a different light to the assumed persona perhaps, disagreeing iwth established posters or views, can they be nominated and vetoed off ? I strongly suspect the sense of security and trust won't last long term, after all how well do you know a friend of a friend of a friend, even in RL.

ByThePowerOfBaileys · 01/01/2009 10:44

sorry I know this is a thread about moulides BUT

Kermit was GAY??????????????

really?????

DaddyJ · 01/01/2009 11:04

hunker, to discriminate against you would be against the MN ethos,
it would also deprive a lot of mums of your bf advice
so I don't think you have too much to worry about.

A little more empathy would help, though, and I was surprised
that you of all people are clinging on to this rather provocative 'I am alright Jack' line.
Don't know about the rest of mold town but you are usually quite hot on empathy
what with being a prominent member of the MN breastapo (fnar fnar) and staunch anti-Nestle campaigner.

And now suddenly it seems like you are taking a leaf out of Nestle PR's strategy manual..

'Nothing to see here, move on folks, don't be so ridiculously emotional fgs,
it's just a little formula, perfectly normal, won't harm anyone, now put your emotions and your tits away,
nobody wants to see that in public, you oversentimental funny woman hahahah' etc etc

It hasn't worked for Nestle so why do you think it will work for you?
Is pretending that everything is suuper dahling really the way forward?

I hold you in high esteem for your work in the parts of MN that really matter.
It is entirely irrelvant where else you post but seeing you belittle other people's feelings of hurt and anger is a curious sight.

SoupDragon · 01/01/2009 11:05

josmithy is absolutely right. This is all f-ing ridiculous and laughable.

fizzbuzz · 01/01/2009 11:12

But who has gone? Someone pleeeze tell me?

Cod?
Twiglet?
MB? I have miss her, we used to chat on secondary threads all the time
Little Lapin? (although I didn't think she had been a member that long)
Who else?????

LIZS · 01/01/2009 11:16

fb you may think those are conspicuous by their absence but plenty of others are still posting on here or both. Naming names is a bit futile.

Tortington · 01/01/2009 12:09

yeah i'll miss MB, hope she comes on

SoupDragon · 01/01/2009 12:48

TBH, I'm not surprised a number of them left. Let's face it, they had very good reasons for doing so and very good reasons for monitoring membership. If MN hadn't had the recent influx of nasty, spiteful trolls then this wouldn't have happened.

Rhubarb · 01/01/2009 12:57

Mumsnet would not discriminate against anybody, that's the joy of mumsnet. For me, I was one of those who said I was uncomfy with the whole aspect of Moldies conversing with me and I admitted that was my problem.

All these analogies are lovely but wrong.

The Moldies site was meant to be a secret, never to be leaked onto Mumsnet. So it's not like people going to a different pub, it's about a group of people getting together behind everyone's back and having a secret little club.

Moldie members could invite Mumsnetters, but then other Moldies (it used to be done in public on Moldie but I'm now told it's done by a select few) could veto that person. So the secret pub-goers could suggest letting Bob in on their secret, they would discuss between themselves the merits of having Bob in their group and then a couple of people who didn't like Bob would veto him.

Therefore friends would invite friends and it all made for a very exclusive, very secret club.

Once their secret was threatened, certain Moldie members tried to lie their way out of it and we are still told contradictory things. So imagine the pub goers found out about the secret club but they still weren't allowed in and different people were told different things about it. So Bob got to find out that he had been nominated but had been vetoed - he will never know who by, so now he wonders who, of his friends, he can trust.

VVVQV is reported to have said that invites had been sent to those not invited previously but that had accepted this graciously. This has been denied, as it would! So you hear about more and more naff things, extraordinarily arrogant and bad behaviour, all of which is denied. But whilst members of that group still post on Mumsnet, you don't feel (I don't feel) that you can trust them. Because we may never find out who is telling the truth and who is not.

And all the time, the Moldies site lurks in the background, you don't know when they will start recruiting again or if the Moldies who post here will be part of that recruitment team.

Franny - yes I have been posting about how to move on. And I hope Mumsnet does move on. But I don't think this will ever be resolved whilst Moldies still lurks, secretive as ever, in the background.

Yes, to forgive is divine, but it's very hard to forgive when they themselves have hardly held out the olive branch. A few members have apologised, but the site is still secret, it will never open it's doors to the likes of us and we are still told contradictory things about the way it works. So whilst the lying and secrecy prevail, I personally will find it very hard to trust their members or have any respect for them.

Rhubarb · 01/01/2009 13:01

Soupy, we've all been affected by trolls. Custy has been stalked, disgusting personal comments about her have been made which is why she no longer has her photo on her profile etc. Yet she'll never have the priviledge of posting on a private site, because some of those feckers decided she wasn't good enough.

Yes, I can understand why some Moldie members became members. ggg for example, who was lovely enough to call me. It's not the reasoning behind Moldie that is at fault - we can all see the benefits behind a site full of old friends that is private, away from trolls. It's the way it has been conducted and the bits of information fed to people on Mumsnet to make it all much more hurtful and upsetting - how do you think people know they were nominated and then vetoed?

The reason Moldie exists is not the issue - it's the behaviour of it's members and the treatment of other Mumsnetters.

NoShitSherlock · 01/01/2009 13:04

Rhubard that was perfect you covered everything nicely

SoupDragon · 01/01/2009 13:07

Well, She could have set one up, Rhubarb. There are plenty of people who could have helped.

People deal with that kind of sh*t in different ways.

"The Moldies site was meant to be a secret, never to be leaked onto Mumsnet"
I certainly remember seeing it talked about when it was "launched"

Flihgtattendant · 01/01/2009 13:09

Erm, Hunker. I kind of wanted to take up one little point you made. It was part of that pub analogy.

I can see the bit about regulars popping back to see the other regulars that still went there, etc etc etc

but coming back to have your say on how the garden looks and which chairs to get - I mean ffs if you did that in real life I think the new clientele would say 'F off, why do you care - you hardly even come in here any more! Go and sort out your own blardy garden' iyswim.

If you're not using it then I don't see why you shoudl get to say how it is run. Although that is an argument purely within the analogy - you do use it of course and therefore have the same right to an opinion on the decor as anyone else here.

Just not entirely sure why you care about this place, or want to hang around enough to use the facilities, if you have another better site over thar. I don't really get that bit, not being snidey, just honest.

Rhubarb · 01/01/2009 13:17

Soupy - this is what I mean about snippets of info leaking onto Mumsnet to stir things up by Moldies.

Apparently it was set up in case Mumsnet went down during the Gina Ford debacle. But not really used. Then it got going again and people were enlisted to help - enlisted in secret. Members were told not to mention anything about it to anyone else.

Certain threads before Christmas on the Moldie site were saying things like "Phew, that was close, we were nearly caught there!" etc.

Trust me, it was meant to be very very secret.

drpumpkinbread · 01/01/2009 13:41

what i think upset people was they thought they where posting personal details to people they considered friends, then found out a secrest group was talking about them behing there backs.
not very nice.

drpumpkinbread · 01/01/2009 13:42

so how did the fact there was this secret group get out then?, who was it that let it slip?

CoteDAzur · 01/01/2009 13:42

I'm amazed people care so much, honestly.

So some oldies decided they want a secret club and talk to themselves. Silly but so what, really?

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