what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

[FluffyMummy123]

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Do the unsure here 'get' that if non scarey, not your mum,dp, brother or aunt type people who may hold judgement against in RL for years to come, listen to you when you are on the brink then you may claw back some self worth.

A recurrent feeling is that the world would be a better place without you or even that most people wouldn't bat an eyelid if you were gone.

So, reading 3 '[hugs]' responses gives you a little bit of value in this life.

That isn't the whole deal but it is part of how one benefits from getting a response - any response - to your pain. Again, as I said, from people you can hide from forever if you want to when you make it the other side of despair.

JeremyVile - if you don't want to read the threads - then don't - they're usually pretty clear from the title what they're about so just ignore.

Personally, I don't get involved with the suicidal threads. I worry how the suicidal person will read my words, iykwim. I don't know about pulling them though? I've been suicidal in the past - years and years ago now, thank god. Had I been a MNer then, I might just have used it for support.

Good post Dittany. Symbolic removal.

No, it's not that.

It's about this place not being the right place for it.

I think those threads are dire. They are mawkish, like car crash threads. Like someone else said, they generate their own drama. It's attention seeking to the highest level and they BREED.

The people that post are SICK, properly sick, and in more than one case, they feed off the responses and then they develop a NEED for mumsnet. An unhealthy need. When what they should be doing is accessing real life support. Not starting it all off on here.

I'm sorry if that offends you but that's the way I feel.

I tend not to read them FAQ - but that's not the point, I still have an opinion on it.

And, I'm sorry but you can be really genuinely at the end of your will to go on and still feel a twat calling up the Samaritans. There are connotations there - as there are with, say, an organisation like Barnardo's that stop some people using that particular service.

Rationality doesn't completely fail even the suicidal. You don't stop being human when you are suicidal, and you don't stop being 'you' you just get deluded about some areas. So I can still feel a nobber about phoning the Samaritans while I am planning my next suicidal step.

Fox - had I not posted on MN then I wouldn't have found the courage to tell my RL friends what was happening, and in turn they wouldn't have got me the proper help I needed.

Thanks for the explanations, Fillyjonk & Janni.

Would it be fair to say that every single one of those posters
on objectivity's and susie's threads was being a Samaritan -
and a bloody good one at that?

In other words, the whole premise of this thread - namely that
us ordinary parents should outsource this kind of work to
trained professionals who know how to deal with suidicial people -
is simply and utterly wrong.

"while I am planning my next suicidal step. "

no dittany THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT

you cannot guarantee that it will always be supportive therefore it CANNOT be the place for a suicidal person - it is too much responsibility for an internet forum which is full of anonymous individuals

this is NOT the place, I'm sorry, but it isn't

Pulling threads immediately isn't going to be an option, though,I hope.
OK, I have read enough to understand that if simply a supportive response is good, then so be it.
I don't post on the threads because I don't want to say the wrong thing, I don't understand suicidal urges and would be wary of messing things up, but fair enough if there are those that do understand and if maybe it's not that important how expert we are.
What I mean to say is I opened the thread agreeing with the OP and now I see the other side, I think.

It's a tough one and agree that it's good we're discussing it. Ultimately I think I feel it would be callous in the extreme to just delete one of these threads; yes, we're (mostly) unqualified to help and yes, they get ghoulish and become drama-fests at times. But the OP is always someone who is desperate for help, and has probably already discounted the Samaritans, RL family/friends etc for whatever reason. Some help, however cack-handed and clumsy, has to be better than no help at all. It is like walking away from someone bleeding on the street because we're not first-aiders.

I think the unhealthier need lies within those who don't do their ironing because they can't give up mumsnet. You addicts can't even blame a health problem.natch.

I'm okay, I'll walk away when it gets too much but I do feel there are two positives in joining this debate. Three if you include that it distracts me from thinkign about things I don't want to; I feel I need to stand up for the positive benefits I have felt; and, secondly, it is a little bit more 'good me' to argue.

dittany, nothing in my posts is weird or nasty.

It is my opinion and I am just as entitled to it as you are though you seem to feel that you are right and therefore I must be wrong

foxinsocks - Objectivity is telling us EXACTLY the opposite i.e. that if you are already using MN, it will be the place you want to turn when you hit rock bottom.
It is much, much easier to post anonymously and see what response you get, than to make a phone call to a stranger - i.e. a Samaritan. These threads can be the first step to help someone access the help they need. I totally understand why they make people uncomfortable and those MNers should simply hide them, but there are plenty of MNers on here who DO know what to say when someone is feeling desperate.

you are proving my point anyway dittany by the way you are reacting

as I said, I feel terribly sorry for those who get to such a low that they feel suicidal, terribly sorry.

I think its very very common not to want to bother the samaritans

there are specific things you learn on (most) adviceline training. In particular, you tend to learn non-directional counselling / active listening techniques. Basically, this IS something most people can be trained to do. It is not really something especially prevalent on the suicide threads. BUT people posting on MN KNOW the deal, and counselling isn't a one-size-fits-all thing,

Sometimes people want stuff like , and also other people saying "yes I've been there, its shit, it gets better", or even "yes its crappy, but this is what you need to do" which basically you won't get off advicelines (you get support to work stuff out for yourselves).

I do agree that a few of these threads have probably been attention seeking and there is certainly a car crash contingent. But there are also a lot of MNetters doing Good Work.