what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

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Oh dear. I must stop now because this is beginning to do my head in and go round in circles.

Narked no one is suggesting that people should not post for support. No one. Posting for support when down is good, it helps, mn is fantastic for support. I have had support from mumsnet, it has cheered me up when I've felt sad. I have tried to give support to people who have been sad.

This thread is about people in situations where the title is all about 'Right, that's it, had enough, have pills, am going to kill myself tonight'. These people whether serious or not, need help, they need real life help. mnetters are not the best people to help, they may not actually be helping, they may be delaying the person from getting real life help. It's not about the samaritans, it's about knowing what is actually best for that person and what is best for the people who may try desperately to help them and fail, or the people who may be rubbernecking and make it worse, or the people who may come to depend on being saved and not be.

Butterfly if it helps then there is no harm, but that is the whole point of this thread isn't it, which I don't think has been shitty, I think it's been largely thought provoking and important actually.

Just to reiterate FRANNYS very valid and salient point

'I think there could also be a problem with the OP EXPECTING that MN will track them down and stop them
if this happens sometimes they may well believe there is a strategy in place to enable this ALWAYS to happen
people do sometimes make gesture suicide attempts, either partly or completely wanting to be saved
it's a dangerous business to allow people to think they can come on here, announce they've taken an od, and that other posters or MNHQ will trace them and send an ambulance'

AGREE implicitly

OK, see where you're coming from now Boco. So we need some sort of guidelines... sometimes, an OP just needs to keep talking to keep them safe, meantime, we should all be aware of the fact that it gets to a point where we can't help and need to encourage the OP to seek professional help. OTH, I have asked MN to intervene in potential suicide threads in the past and have been told they can't do anything, and have said just to just keep posting and supporting, so I think we need an MNHQ response to this.

i think if you'd started this thread f&z it might have helped. the op came across as cold and heartless. unintentionally im sure.

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iCod, this thread is too serious for that kind of flippant post.

I agree, Boco, with every word.

This has been a thread which has gone some way towards restoring my recently rather shaken faith in MN.

I am beginning to get slightly tired of the (apparently wilful) misrepresentations of those of us who have concerns about these sorts of threads as uncaring. I have found it incredibly difficult tbh to have been accused of lacking empathy and a phobic attitude to MH issues. I don't want to go into my experience now - I hinted at it further down. I certainly have posted a lot in other situations offering help through shared experience.

There should have been a However... before 'I am beginning to get' etc.

narked, it is not anyone's role aside from a moderator's to dictate to others how they should post and if you read the entire thread there are quite a few flippant posts unrelated to the topic.

it happens often, but mostly, the self-moderation system works.

berolina speaks truth.

OK, will drop off this thread, quite clearly don't understand what's going on here. But personally, will know not to turn to MN in my bleakest moments.

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I could never not respond to someone who is obviously struggling and in need of support.

its my thread...oh ffs...cod you're the biggest attention seeker on mn.

Then do so, Pink. Others have stated that they do not feel comfortable giving advice or what have you to someone who is not just in need of support, but in a life-threatening situation, and that does not make them uncaring, heartless people.

i may well be but oyu ahev no right to tell me what to say

so arse

just cos you haevnt got your own t shirts to sell

Yes, that is a very valid point from Franny.

So how can we ensure that people feel they will be heard and supported when they are feeling wretched, whilst not thinking there'll be a real life rescue mission mounted should they genuinely harm themselves?

i dont think coming on here and making jokes is in good taste ... do you?

agree with you Expat. But posts like "its my thread fgs
geta grip "
just say to me " even if you're suicidal, if you're not in my inner circle, you're not welcome here"

Time to look out a new parenting forum, methinks.

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