what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

[FluffyMummy123]

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And your point?

moving along.......

tiredlady, thank you for your post. I wonder if you would be drawn on what you think should happen to the suicide threads?

And I have to give my most sincerest apologies to all, for the appalling spelling in my last post this morning. solace durrrr

I'm sure a statistically significant number may be attention seeking, but there are stats, text books, case studies.....and individuals.

There are people who post suicide threads and ask for help who then go on to try. My ex did. Gave a friend a letter which he told them not to open until they got home. They opened it before because they felt a bit weird about it and went back and he'd hanged himself. He was okay - she got there in time. But she might not have done.

I think it's a bit dangerous to suggest that someone who asks for help won't do it.

Sorry - that should have said 'post threads or ask for help'.

I wish you could edit on this bloody board.

And another thing - someone said yesterday that they would rather not see threads about this coming up in chat (berolina I think). I think that's very fair comment and maybe the mods could move them to the appropriate place and post that they've done so.

Its this 'attention seeking' vs 'really serious' debate aswell that would say to me all suicide threat threads need to be pulled asap and the poster referred to help elsewhere. Who are we, nameless posters on a parenting website to make that judgement about whats serious and whats not, what poses a risk and what doesn't???

The potential for harm to all involved is hideous.

Its this 'attention seeking' vs 'really serious' debate aswell that would say to me all suicide threat threads need to be pulled asap and the poster referred to help elsewhere. Who are we, nameless posters on a parenting website to make that judgement about whats serious and whats not, what poses a risk and what doesn't???

The potential for harm to all involved is hideous.

SOmething that seems to be being missed out on here is that sometimes people who are not properly trained (and not that smart, either) find themselves having to deal with a suicidal person. And most of them do the best they can. (many many years ago I had a particularly volatile crew of friends and there were one or two incidents of people driving madly round houseing estates looking for Someone who had fucked off in hysterics with a bellyful of pills and a carving knife). WHile I do agree that longterm help for the mentally ill should be sought from a properly trained professional, I do sometimes worry about the dreadful passivity I see in a lot of people, the 'it's not my job, what if I get it wrong, ask an expert etc'. Experts fuck up sometimes too.
There are no guarantees, of course there aren't, everyone's just bludnering through the best they can.
But finally, posting anything including suicidal stuff (or ways to help the suicidal) on an internet forum means running the risk of responses that are flippant, unkind or idiotic, as well.

We don't need to judge. We can offer a shoulder (and the essential helpline/agency phone numbers) or walk away.

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it can be bloody harrowing though madamez, dealing with a suicidal person in real life as an untrained individual. And it can have long lasting effects for that person.

people tend to forget the nature of this particular board as well.

it doesn't work like 9 out of 10 out there, with regards to moderatation and the like.

and that's the beauty of it for most of us.

It can be very harrowing I agree. But I don't think you can pull threads where people have posted that they feel suicidal. For all the reasons posted yesterday and I don't see the need to rehash the same arguments again.

I agree with madamez - I've dealt with some pretty fucking hairy situations in my time and I don't take personal responsibility for anyone else's stuff. Other people might not feel like that but that's where a note from MN might help. I don't think you can sanction against people getting emotionally involved in other people's lives. In the same way as you wouldn't tell someone to not get involved RL with someone who was being abused by their partner. Their decision.

I don't think that was me, spicemonster, although I made a related point.

sorry berolina. This thread has been moving too fast.

s'alright

I have not seen enough of these threads to make an accurate judgement. But what I have seen does not lead me to believe that they are being used by people who are acutely suicidal.Distressed and unhappy people - yes. Attention seeking people - possibly/probably. Acutely suicidal people- I've not seen it.

It sounds as though there are more people in favour of the threads remaining, so maybe they should stay.

I think these threads are damaging and unhealthy, but people have the right to do damaging and unhealthy things in a democracy

I was just responding to madamez, not commenting on the threads. I think I probably said enough on that yesterday .